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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
November 16 2012 22:15 GMT
#441
On November 17 2012 07:14 Fusilero wrote:
Guys get me some hipster odds, who's the odds on biggest hipster pay load this weekend?


Monchi for sureeees, even though he got majorly screwed with zergs.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
November 16 2012 22:17 GMT
#442
Lol I just actually looked at HuK's group. He is so dead
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-16 22:20:19
November 16 2012 22:19 GMT
#443
On November 17 2012 07:14 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 07:11 m0ck wrote:
On November 17 2012 07:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 17 2012 07:03 Dodgin wrote:
On November 17 2012 06:57 scsnow wrote:
On November 17 2012 06:54 Dodgin wrote:
On November 17 2012 06:52 Heartland wrote:
You know, something feel's like it is missing from this tournament. Or some people, rather. Does the Korean lineup really feel like they're the Korean world champions? MC and MVP opting out was horrendous. Scarlett and Stephano feels like perfectly appropriate to master over their domains. But Creator, Parting and Rain? I like them all and they're great, particularly Rain, but so many people's absence feels like it makes this less of the world championship that it is supposed to be.


If this was truly the tournament to find the best in the world, it would be 27 or 28 Korean players and 4-5 foreigners.

Just have fun with it and don't try to use it as the ultimate test, because It's not.


It was a lot more Koreans and a lot more foreigners in the beggining.


I'm not sure how to respond to this, because I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

Yes the regionals had lots of Korean players, because it was the KR regional. What should have been done is give more seeds to WCS KR and WCS asia if they wanted to make it the hardest tournament to win. As it stands now this is no more difficult than an MLG, perhaps even easier.

You don't even need to decrease the number of players from other regions, just make the tournament bracket suitable for a larger number of players.


This. The reaction that a ton of koreans withdrew from the tournament just proves that this is by far NOT the most important/prestigious tournament in the world.

Meh. Did it prove that GSL code S doesn't mean much, when Rain forfeited his spot?


That's different because Rain is a kespa player who has never before seen the light of a foreign day. Also not sure how voluntarily he gave up that spot.
However, tons of people dropping out of a tournament like this is different.

No, his hand was probably forced. But the same thing was most likely the case for MVP and MC, who went to gamescom to do sponsor-work (and play IEM).
Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
November 16 2012 22:19 GMT
#444
On November 17 2012 07:17 mikedebo wrote:
Lol I just actually looked at HuK's group. He is so dead

Come on. You can't count out our dear old Hukster. He will just kick ass.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
November 16 2012 22:22 GMT
#445
On November 17 2012 07:19 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 07:14 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 17 2012 07:11 m0ck wrote:
On November 17 2012 07:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 17 2012 07:03 Dodgin wrote:
On November 17 2012 06:57 scsnow wrote:
On November 17 2012 06:54 Dodgin wrote:
On November 17 2012 06:52 Heartland wrote:
You know, something feel's like it is missing from this tournament. Or some people, rather. Does the Korean lineup really feel like they're the Korean world champions? MC and MVP opting out was horrendous. Scarlett and Stephano feels like perfectly appropriate to master over their domains. But Creator, Parting and Rain? I like them all and they're great, particularly Rain, but so many people's absence feels like it makes this less of the world championship that it is supposed to be.


If this was truly the tournament to find the best in the world, it would be 27 or 28 Korean players and 4-5 foreigners.

Just have fun with it and don't try to use it as the ultimate test, because It's not.


It was a lot more Koreans and a lot more foreigners in the beggining.


I'm not sure how to respond to this, because I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

Yes the regionals had lots of Korean players, because it was the KR regional. What should have been done is give more seeds to WCS KR and WCS asia if they wanted to make it the hardest tournament to win. As it stands now this is no more difficult than an MLG, perhaps even easier.

You don't even need to decrease the number of players from other regions, just make the tournament bracket suitable for a larger number of players.


This. The reaction that a ton of koreans withdrew from the tournament just proves that this is by far NOT the most important/prestigious tournament in the world.

Meh. Did it prove that GSL code S doesn't mean much, when Rain forfeited his spot?


That's different because Rain is a kespa player who has never before seen the light of a foreign day. Also not sure how voluntarily he gave up that spot.
However, tons of people dropping out of a tournament like this is different.

No, his hand was probably forced. But the same thing was most likely the case for MVP and MC, who went to gamescom to do sponsor-work (and play IEM).


Yeah, so their teams decided that this tournament isn't as important it seems to me. Which I'm sad about.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
November 16 2012 22:24 GMT
#446
4 games at the same time? theres no way thats physically possible to keep up >.>
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
November 16 2012 22:25 GMT
#447
On November 14 2012 14:18 opterown wrote:
Poll: Who will win the WCS Global Finals?

Stephano (528)
 
24%

Rain (515)
 
23%

IdrA (256)
 
11%

Creator (156)
 
7%

Other (150)
 
7%

Scarlett (138)
 
6%

Nerchio (117)
 
5%

HerO (96)
 
4%

A Terran (77)
 
3%

Grubby (76)
 
3%

PartinG (63)
 
3%

Sen (62)
 
3%

2234 total votes

Your vote: Who will win the WCS Global Finals?

(Vote): Rain
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Creator
(Vote): PartinG
(Vote): HerO
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): IdrA
(Vote): Nerchio
(Vote): Grubby
(Vote): Sen
(Vote): A Terran
(Vote): Other


Grubby!
_.,-+~*^""^*~+,._ I believe _.,-+~*^""^*~+,._


☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
November 16 2012 22:29 GMT
#448
I dunno. In a way it feels like those Koreans who just decided not to participate in the first place are the players that are not really cut to the task one way or the other. When we are talking about 100k USD for the winner all the player who didn't participate are pretty much irrelevant, no matter their reasons. Right now we are only looking at the people who actually are taking part and so far it looks to be an awesome tournament.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 16 2012 22:30 GMT
#449
On November 17 2012 07:22 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 07:19 m0ck wrote:
On November 17 2012 07:14 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 17 2012 07:11 m0ck wrote:
On November 17 2012 07:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 17 2012 07:03 Dodgin wrote:
On November 17 2012 06:57 scsnow wrote:
On November 17 2012 06:54 Dodgin wrote:
On November 17 2012 06:52 Heartland wrote:
You know, something feel's like it is missing from this tournament. Or some people, rather. Does the Korean lineup really feel like they're the Korean world champions? MC and MVP opting out was horrendous. Scarlett and Stephano feels like perfectly appropriate to master over their domains. But Creator, Parting and Rain? I like them all and they're great, particularly Rain, but so many people's absence feels like it makes this less of the world championship that it is supposed to be.


If this was truly the tournament to find the best in the world, it would be 27 or 28 Korean players and 4-5 foreigners.

Just have fun with it and don't try to use it as the ultimate test, because It's not.


It was a lot more Koreans and a lot more foreigners in the beggining.


I'm not sure how to respond to this, because I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

Yes the regionals had lots of Korean players, because it was the KR regional. What should have been done is give more seeds to WCS KR and WCS asia if they wanted to make it the hardest tournament to win. As it stands now this is no more difficult than an MLG, perhaps even easier.

You don't even need to decrease the number of players from other regions, just make the tournament bracket suitable for a larger number of players.


This. The reaction that a ton of koreans withdrew from the tournament just proves that this is by far NOT the most important/prestigious tournament in the world.

Meh. Did it prove that GSL code S doesn't mean much, when Rain forfeited his spot?


That's different because Rain is a kespa player who has never before seen the light of a foreign day. Also not sure how voluntarily he gave up that spot.
However, tons of people dropping out of a tournament like this is different.

No, his hand was probably forced. But the same thing was most likely the case for MVP and MC, who went to gamescom to do sponsor-work (and play IEM).


Yeah, so their teams decided that this tournament isn't as important it seems to me. Which I'm sad about.

It's probably more they wanted their players to appear at gamescom than IEM itself.
Glorious SEA doto
Bunn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Estonia934 Posts
November 16 2012 22:34 GMT
#450
T_T Too late/early for me (
"There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level." - Bruce Lee
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-16 22:38:09
November 16 2012 22:35 GMT
#451
On November 17 2012 07:29 Kilby wrote:
I dunno. In a way it feels like those Koreans who just decided not to participate in the first place are the players that are not really cut to the task one way or the other. When we are talking about 100k USD for the winner all the player who didn't participate are pretty much irrelevant, no matter their reasons. Right now we are only looking at the people who actually are taking part and so far it looks to be an awesome tournament.


Like I said, the prize pool was only announced two months ago long after the qualifiers and WCS KR was over. The players had no idea how much the tournament was going to be worth, for example Team Liquid sent Taeja to the MLG arena instead of letting him play in the WCS KR qualifiers. I'm sure they regret that decision now, but there was no way to know what the right choice was at the time.

Blizzard is to blame, they should have announced the prize pool along with the original announcement of the WCS early this year. That way the players could clearly see it was worth their time to give everything they have to make it to the world finals. At the time of WCS KR the community consensus was that no one really cared about the tournament compared to a GSL.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 16 2012 22:37 GMT
#452
On November 17 2012 07:14 Fusilero wrote:
Guys get me some hipster odds, who's the odds on biggest hipster pay load this weekend?


Roro, Lucifron, herO.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-16 22:38:03
November 16 2012 22:37 GMT
#453
On November 17 2012 07:37 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 07:14 Fusilero wrote:
Guys get me some hipster odds, who's the odds on biggest hipster pay load this weekend?


Roro, Lucifron, herO.

I'll put £20 on CJ_Hero, £10 on lucifron and £15 on roro gogoggo.

Also adebisi down
Shaun Clark ‏@ApolloSC2
Adebisi is another victim to food poisoning #BWC
Glorious SEA doto
LOLingBuddha
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands697 Posts
November 16 2012 22:39 GMT
#454
On November 17 2012 07:35 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 07:29 Kilby wrote:
I dunno. In a way it feels like those Koreans who just decided not to participate in the first place are the players that are not really cut to the task one way or the other. When we are talking about 100k USD for the winner all the player who didn't participate are pretty much irrelevant, no matter their reasons. Right now we are only looking at the people who actually are taking part and so far it looks to be an awesome tournament.


Like I said, the prize pool was only announced two months ago long after the qualifiers and WCS KR was over. The players had no idea how much the tournament was going to be worth, for example Team Liquid sent Taeja to the MLG arena instead of letting him play in the WCS KR qualifiers. I'm sure they regret that decision now, but there was no way to know what the right choice was at the time.

Blizzard is to blame, they should have announced the prize pool along with the original announcement of the WCS early this year.

The prize pools for blizzard run tournaments have always been pretty good, even the regionals had a good prize pool.
it would be pretty safe to assume that the global finals would have a pretty significant prize pool.

ofc you can never be sure...
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
November 16 2012 22:40 GMT
#455
Chinese friend is saying that Chinese players were all headhunting on ladder yesterday.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
November 16 2012 22:42 GMT
#456
Starts at 2am, awesome :D
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
November 16 2012 22:42 GMT
#457
On November 17 2012 07:40 ragz_gt wrote:
Chinese friend is saying that Chinese players were all headhunting on ladder yesterday.

Do you know how good comm is? Do they play on the Korean ladder or a chinese one?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-16 22:43:43
November 16 2012 22:42 GMT
#458
On November 17 2012 07:39 LOLingBuddha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 07:35 Dodgin wrote:
On November 17 2012 07:29 Kilby wrote:
I dunno. In a way it feels like those Koreans who just decided not to participate in the first place are the players that are not really cut to the task one way or the other. When we are talking about 100k USD for the winner all the player who didn't participate are pretty much irrelevant, no matter their reasons. Right now we are only looking at the people who actually are taking part and so far it looks to be an awesome tournament.


Like I said, the prize pool was only announced two months ago long after the qualifiers and WCS KR was over. The players had no idea how much the tournament was going to be worth, for example Team Liquid sent Taeja to the MLG arena instead of letting him play in the WCS KR qualifiers. I'm sure they regret that decision now, but there was no way to know what the right choice was at the time.

Blizzard is to blame, they should have announced the prize pool along with the original announcement of the WCS early this year.

The prize pools for blizzard run tournaments have always been pretty good, even the regionals had a good prize pool.
it would be pretty safe to assume that the global finals would have a pretty significant prize pool.

ofc you can never be sure...


Sure, you can assume it would be a lot, but to state from the beginning " The winner of the world finals will get 100k " it sends a message to the players.

They will say " shit, I better care about this tournament, It's worth more money than winning GSL twice. "

That way, they all try their hardest in the qualifiers and you don't have Mvp and MC dropping out of WCS KR early on.

We could have had Taeja and Mvp at the world finals, which would have made this a much more interesting tournament. Obviously It's still going to be a great tournament but with a little more careful planning it could have been better. Something to work on for next year.
jinsanity
Profile Joined July 2012
United States137 Posts
November 16 2012 22:44 GMT
#459
where r da champion terrans
r u ez?
LOLingBuddha
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands697 Posts
November 16 2012 22:44 GMT
#460
On November 17 2012 07:42 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 07:39 LOLingBuddha wrote:
On November 17 2012 07:35 Dodgin wrote:
On November 17 2012 07:29 Kilby wrote:
I dunno. In a way it feels like those Koreans who just decided not to participate in the first place are the players that are not really cut to the task one way or the other. When we are talking about 100k USD for the winner all the player who didn't participate are pretty much irrelevant, no matter their reasons. Right now we are only looking at the people who actually are taking part and so far it looks to be an awesome tournament.


Like I said, the prize pool was only announced two months ago long after the qualifiers and WCS KR was over. The players had no idea how much the tournament was going to be worth, for example Team Liquid sent Taeja to the MLG arena instead of letting him play in the WCS KR qualifiers. I'm sure they regret that decision now, but there was no way to know what the right choice was at the time.

Blizzard is to blame, they should have announced the prize pool along with the original announcement of the WCS early this year.

The prize pools for blizzard run tournaments have always been pretty good, even the regionals had a good prize pool.
it would be pretty safe to assume that the global finals would have a pretty significant prize pool.

ofc you can never be sure...


Sure, you can assume it would be a lot, but to state from the beginning " The winner of the world finals will get 100k " it sends a message to the players.

They will say " shit, I better care about this tournament, It's worth more money than winning GSL twice. "

That way, they all try their hardest in the qualifiers and you don't have Mvp and MC dropping out of WCS KR early on.

We could have had Taeja and Mvp at the world finals, which would have made this a much more interesting tournament. Obviously It's still going to be a great tournament but with a little more careful planning it could have been better. Something to work on for next year.

oh i completely agree with you, however, how sure can you be that they didn't attend WCS KR because they didnt think the prize pool would be very high?

I'm sure there were other factors involved
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