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MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
November 10 2012 06:08 GMT
#821
On November 10 2012 15:04 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 15:01 FuRong wrote:
To be fair, Effort didn't really look like he knew what he was going. It seemed more like "let's make a few of these new guys and send them across the map" than having an actual underlying strategy.


People keep saying this. So it's for some odd reason only the Zergs 3 days in a row who have no idea what they're doing, everyone else is a HotS expert with fully developed builds?

Not really, but you can't really tell if the zergs are losing because zerg is weak or if they're losing because they're playing wrong. It might take longer for some races to figure out actual good builds and strategies than others, that doesn't mean there's a flaw in the race, just gonna have to wait and see
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
November 10 2012 06:08 GMT
#822
On November 10 2012 15:06 Jehct wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 15:05 larse wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:02 Jehct wrote:
HotS looks so damn good now, wish they'd start mass-expanding the beta and follow Valve's suit (it only increases interest!)

On November 10 2012 15:01 larse wrote:
From what D3 and HOTS have turned out, it is obvious that now Blizzard is lead by a bunch of clerks but not innovative designers. All the creative guys left. Such as the Riot guys or GW2 guys. Sigh.

? D3 and HOTS have definitely been innovative & creative. Random bitter nerd detected?


Yeah, call me bitter nerd, I don't care. It's just I think even me can do much better jobs than them, even though 99.9% of the people won't believe.

Then go do it. If you can, you're guaranteed to make millions of $. Plenty of people are waiting for something better; there's a reason no one else is doing it.


Probably because they don't have millions of dollars.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
November 10 2012 06:09 GMT
#823
On November 10 2012 15:08 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 15:06 Jehct wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:05 larse wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:02 Jehct wrote:
HotS looks so damn good now, wish they'd start mass-expanding the beta and follow Valve's suit (it only increases interest!)

On November 10 2012 15:01 larse wrote:
From what D3 and HOTS have turned out, it is obvious that now Blizzard is lead by a bunch of clerks but not innovative designers. All the creative guys left. Such as the Riot guys or GW2 guys. Sigh.

? D3 and HOTS have definitely been innovative & creative. Random bitter nerd detected?


Yeah, call me bitter nerd, I don't care. It's just I think even me can do much better jobs than them, even though 99.9% of the people won't believe.

Then go do it. If you can, you're guaranteed to make millions of $. Plenty of people are waiting for something better; there's a reason no one else is doing it.


Probably because they don't have millions of dollars.

If you were any good, the guys with the millions of dollars would hire you.
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
dragonblade369
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada464 Posts
November 10 2012 06:10 GMT
#824
On November 10 2012 15:07 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 15:06 dragonblade369 wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:01 larse wrote:
From what D3 and HOTS have turned out, it is obvious that now Blizzard is lead by a bunch of clerks but not innovative designers. All the creative guys left. Such as the Riot guys or GW2 guys. Sigh.


GW2.... my most disappointed game so far.. You call that innovative? I was a loyal fan of GW1, preordered GW2 the first day it's available, played all 3 betas.... now at lv10. That game excluded everything good about GW1... and added everything of conventional MMOs...

Eh, I have 250 hours in GW2 and still haven't gotten bored yet. I personally loved the game.


For me, the game lost its "Guild Wars" charm. the PvP structure is extremely dull at release (hell where's is the "Guild Wars"). The PvE variability is extremely limited. What I enjoyed the most with GW1 is the amount of builds possible. I love making new builds, testing them and sharing them. With Guild Wars 2, it's just not the same anymore...
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
November 10 2012 06:11 GMT
#825
On November 10 2012 15:08 MangoMountain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 15:04 sitromit wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:01 FuRong wrote:
To be fair, Effort didn't really look like he knew what he was going. It seemed more like "let's make a few of these new guys and send them across the map" than having an actual underlying strategy.


People keep saying this. So it's for some odd reason only the Zergs 3 days in a row who have no idea what they're doing, everyone else is a HotS expert with fully developed builds?

Not really, but you can't really tell if the zergs are losing because zerg is weak or if they're losing because they're playing wrong. It might take longer for some races to figure out actual good builds and strategies than others, that doesn't mean there's a flaw in the race, just gonna have to wait and see

From what I've seen, the Zergs keep throwing away Swarm Hosts for nothing and almost never have any effective plays with Vipers. That's quite a few resources dumped for almost no return.

On top of that, mechanics and decision making does seem to suffer a bit when the players are trying to incorporate the new units into their play on-the-fly.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 10 2012 06:12 GMT
#826
this double stargate build is pretty sick
GWdeathscythe
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1091 Posts
November 10 2012 06:13 GMT
#827
how the hell zergs get rid of that harass? it kills your hatchery so fast!!!!
JD is BONJWA!
Warpath
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1242 Posts
November 10 2012 06:13 GMT
#828
hahah sick harass taking out hatcheries
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
November 10 2012 06:13 GMT
#829
On November 10 2012 15:13 GWdeathscythe wrote:
how the hell zergs get rid of that harass? it kills your hatchery so fast!!!!


infestors bro!
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-10 06:13:53
November 10 2012 06:13 GMT
#830
On November 10 2012 15:11 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 15:08 MangoMountain wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:04 sitromit wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:01 FuRong wrote:
To be fair, Effort didn't really look like he knew what he was going. It seemed more like "let's make a few of these new guys and send them across the map" than having an actual underlying strategy.


People keep saying this. So it's for some odd reason only the Zergs 3 days in a row who have no idea what they're doing, everyone else is a HotS expert with fully developed builds?

Not really, but you can't really tell if the zergs are losing because zerg is weak or if they're losing because they're playing wrong. It might take longer for some races to figure out actual good builds and strategies than others, that doesn't mean there's a flaw in the race, just gonna have to wait and see

From what I've seen, the Zergs keep throwing away Swarm Hosts for nothing and almost never have any effective plays with Vipers. That's quite a few resources dumped for almost no return.

On top of that, mechanics and decision making does seem to suffer a bit when the players are trying to incorporate the new units into their play on-the-fly.

Think it pretty much comes down to swarm hosts playing completely differently from lurkers (you want to mass them, support them), whereas widow mines are still used the way spider mines were & the mothership core isn't exactly a complex unit.
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
November 10 2012 06:13 GMT
#831
Lol I theorycrafted that hatch snipe with phoenix, first time ive actually seen it
GWdeathscythe
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1091 Posts
November 10 2012 06:14 GMT
#832
On November 10 2012 15:13 mango_destroyer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 15:13 GWdeathscythe wrote:
how the hell zergs get rid of that harass? it kills your hatchery so fast!!!!


infestors bro!

as always haha but still a pretty sick harass.
JD is BONJWA!
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
November 10 2012 06:14 GMT
#833
LOL, Zerg looks just sad. And people want Infestors nerfed...
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
November 10 2012 06:15 GMT
#834
I have very positive thoughts and hopes for Hots, despite what pros are saying, the game does change a lot. It's just a matter of balancing, which obviously won't be perfect for release.. WoL isn't even fully balances yet.
Refer to my post.
GWdeathscythe
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1091 Posts
November 10 2012 06:16 GMT
#835
can someone tell me the cost of oracle? im not very inside HOTS
JD is BONJWA!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 10 2012 06:16 GMT
#836
On November 10 2012 15:16 GWdeathscythe wrote:
can someone tell me the cost of oracle? im not very inside HOTS


100/150 I think
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
November 10 2012 06:16 GMT
#837
On November 10 2012 15:13 GWdeathscythe wrote:
how the hell zergs get rid of that harass? it kills your hatchery so fast!!!!


The way zerg currently play in WoL it's impossible. They actually have to get defense. Keep in mind too that that's like 1200 gas invested for protoss, maybe just go kill him
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
November 10 2012 06:16 GMT
#838
On November 10 2012 15:16 GWdeathscythe wrote:
can someone tell me the cost of oracle? im not very inside HOTS

100/150 I think? maybe 150/150
Refer to my post.
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
November 10 2012 06:16 GMT
#839
It's not that Blizzard now can't get the job done. Yes, they can, but in a very mediocre way and has very mediocre results. It's a bunch of professional clerks but nothing more. People keep saying Blizzard is not the Blizzard anymore. I don't agree with them since many old people are still there but it's just in general they are turning into something very mediocre and uninspiring.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
November 10 2012 06:17 GMT
#840
Nice use of the Time Warp on that Swarm Host. Your free units are... delayed.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
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