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On November 10 2012 15:16 larse wrote:
It's not that Blizzard now can't get the job done. Yes, they can, but in a very mediocre way and has very mediocre results. It's a bunch of professional clerks but nothing more. People keep saying Blizzard is not the Blizzard anymore. I don't agree with them since many old people are still there but it's just in general they are turning into something very mediocre and uninspiring.
Its just silly to be making these judgements based on beta, just stop.
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Ok Time Warp and Tempest is a pretty cool combo
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On November 10 2012 15:16 larse wrote:
It's not that Blizzard now can't get the job done. Yes, they can, but in a very mediocre way and has very mediocre results. It's a bunch of professional clerks but nothing more. People keep saying Blizzard is not the Blizzard anymore. I don't agree with them since many old people are still there but it's just in general they are turning into something very mediocre and uninspiring.
Except MoP was apparently really good, HotS seems to be addressing every major problem people had with SC2, and D3 has done nothing but improve into an incredibly solid successor to D2 (with a ton more to come).
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The only units that Effort made so far that have done anything useful for him in this game are... wait for it... Infestors!!!
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That's pretty badass tbh (balance aside)
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On November 10 2012 15:18 fuzzylogic44 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 15:16 larse wrote:
It's not that Blizzard now can't get the job done. Yes, they can, but in a very mediocre way and has very mediocre results. It's a bunch of professional clerks but nothing more. People keep saying Blizzard is not the Blizzard anymore. I don't agree with them since many old people are still there but it's just in general they are turning into something very mediocre and uninspiring. Its just silly to be making these judgements based on beta, just stop.
I made this judgement based on WOL design, WOL balance history, D3, and HOTS beta so far.
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On November 10 2012 15:18 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Ok Time Warp and Tempest is a pretty cool combo
that was such a sick play. jaw dropped at that actually.
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On November 10 2012 15:13 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 15:11 eviltomahawk wrote:On November 10 2012 15:08 MangoMountain wrote:On November 10 2012 15:04 sitromit wrote:On November 10 2012 15:01 FuRong wrote:
To be fair, Effort didn't really look like he knew what he was going. It seemed more like "let's make a few of these new guys and send them across the map" than having an actual underlying strategy. People keep saying this. So it's for some odd reason only the Zergs 3 days in a row who have no idea what they're doing, everyone else is a HotS expert with fully developed builds? Not really, but you can't really tell if the zergs are losing because zerg is weak or if they're losing because they're playing wrong. It might take longer for some races to figure out actual good builds and strategies than others, that doesn't mean there's a flaw in the race, just gonna have to wait and see From what I've seen, the Zergs keep throwing away Swarm Hosts for nothing and almost never have any effective plays with Vipers. That's quite a few resources dumped for almost no return. On top of that, mechanics and decision making does seem to suffer a bit when the players are trying to incorporate the new units into their play on-the-fly. Think it pretty much comes down to swarm hosts playing completely differently from lurkers (you want to mass them, support them), whereas widow mines are still used the way spider mines were & the mothership core isn't exactly a complex unit.
That's very true. I remember seeing Stephano crushing face with Swarm Hosts when he streamed HotS several weeks ago. He always kept them mobile in between cooldowns and used the Locusts to bolster his conventional army during pushes
I wish he would stream HotS again. It was really fun to watch him destroying everyone.
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I feel like Time Warp and Tempest could potentially be too strong when used together, although it won't be nearly as much of a problem as BL/infestor is since time warp is a slow and not a root, and tempest's don't fire broodlings that block unit pathing.
Ok maybe I spoke too soon.
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So, protoss air is getting to be an actual option, if you have soul.
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On November 10 2012 15:19 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 15:13 Jehct wrote:On November 10 2012 15:11 eviltomahawk wrote:On November 10 2012 15:08 MangoMountain wrote:On November 10 2012 15:04 sitromit wrote:On November 10 2012 15:01 FuRong wrote:
To be fair, Effort didn't really look like he knew what he was going. It seemed more like "let's make a few of these new guys and send them across the map" than having an actual underlying strategy. People keep saying this. So it's for some odd reason only the Zergs 3 days in a row who have no idea what they're doing, everyone else is a HotS expert with fully developed builds? Not really, but you can't really tell if the zergs are losing because zerg is weak or if they're losing because they're playing wrong. It might take longer for some races to figure out actual good builds and strategies than others, that doesn't mean there's a flaw in the race, just gonna have to wait and see From what I've seen, the Zergs keep throwing away Swarm Hosts for nothing and almost never have any effective plays with Vipers. That's quite a few resources dumped for almost no return. On top of that, mechanics and decision making does seem to suffer a bit when the players are trying to incorporate the new units into their play on-the-fly. Think it pretty much comes down to swarm hosts playing completely differently from lurkers (you want to mass them, support them), whereas widow mines are still used the way spider mines were & the mothership core isn't exactly a complex unit. That's very true. I remember seeing Stephano crushing face with Swarm Hosts when he streamed HotS several weeks ago. He always kept them mobile in between cooldowns and used the Locusts to bolster his conventional army during pushes I wish he would stream HotS again. It was really fun to watch him destroying everyone.
Totally agree, Stephano's overwhelming strength lies in understanding how to use each unit. Watching him play around on HotS was downright inspiring.
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I'm starting to live the way the new recall works. Suddenly a mama core flies in to the rescue and nabs out the last few Tempests
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The Tempest looks and sounds so imposing but the tickling dps makes it look silly.
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On November 10 2012 15:18 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 15:16 larse wrote:
It's not that Blizzard now can't get the job done. Yes, they can, but in a very mediocre way and has very mediocre results. It's a bunch of professional clerks but nothing more. People keep saying Blizzard is not the Blizzard anymore. I don't agree with them since many old people are still there but it's just in general they are turning into something very mediocre and uninspiring. Except MoP was apparently really good, HotS seems to be addressing every major problem people had with SC2, and D3 has done nothing but improve into an incredibly solid successor to D2 (with a ton more to come).
MoP is controversial--it's not like that a super majority is satisfied. The consensus on D3 from a very positive community (reddit) is that it has done some great things but failed in some major ways (even with 1.0.5).
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On November 10 2012 15:22 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
I'm starting to live the way the new recall works. Suddenly a mama core flies in to the rescue and nabs out the last few Tempests
LOL it's like mama pulls up in a minivan for the rescue while the nerd in the process of getting depantsed
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On November 10 2012 15:19 Dodgin wrote:
I feel like Time Warp and Tempest could potentially be too strong when used together, although it won't be nearly as much of a problem as BL/infestor is since time warp is a slow and not a root, and tempest's don't fire broodlings that block unit pathing.
Ok maybe I spoke too soon.
With the way the corruptor works (so gd tanky and massable, + infestor support) pure air is never going to be good. Need that HT support. Time warp + storm should be ridiculous, though ^_^
On November 10 2012 15:23 larse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 15:18 Jehct wrote:On November 10 2012 15:16 larse wrote:
It's not that Blizzard now can't get the job done. Yes, they can, but in a very mediocre way and has very mediocre results. It's a bunch of professional clerks but nothing more. People keep saying Blizzard is not the Blizzard anymore. I don't agree with them since many old people are still there but it's just in general they are turning into something very mediocre and uninspiring. Except MoP was apparently really good, HotS seems to be addressing every major problem people had with SC2, and D3 has done nothing but improve into an incredibly solid successor to D2 (with a ton more to come). MoP is controversial--it's not like that a super majority is satisfied. The consensus on D3 from a very positive community (reddit) is that it has done some great things but failed in some major ways (even with 1.0.5).
No one is calling D3 a failure anymore, they just want shit like PvP/other stuff that has been announced as coming. Well, aside from the garbage story, that is.
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On November 10 2012 15:23 Hokay wrote:
The Tempest looks and sounds so imposing but the tickling dps makes it look silly.
Yeah, the sound of tempest attack is loudest in all units. It has a very deep bass sound that lasts as long as a CC explodes.
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This comp needs storm or something to help deal with the corruptors
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On November 10 2012 15:21 felisconcolori wrote:
So, protoss air is getting to be an actual option, if you have soul.
Well, until Corruptors show up. They still seem to be the end all be all of air superiority fighter.
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On November 10 2012 15:21 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2012 15:19 eviltomahawk wrote:On November 10 2012 15:13 Jehct wrote:On November 10 2012 15:11 eviltomahawk wrote:On November 10 2012 15:08 MangoMountain wrote:On November 10 2012 15:04 sitromit wrote:On November 10 2012 15:01 FuRong wrote:
To be fair, Effort didn't really look like he knew what he was going. It seemed more like "let's make a few of these new guys and send them across the map" than having an actual underlying strategy. People keep saying this. So it's for some odd reason only the Zergs 3 days in a row who have no idea what they're doing, everyone else is a HotS expert with fully developed builds? Not really, but you can't really tell if the zergs are losing because zerg is weak or if they're losing because they're playing wrong. It might take longer for some races to figure out actual good builds and strategies than others, that doesn't mean there's a flaw in the race, just gonna have to wait and see From what I've seen, the Zergs keep throwing away Swarm Hosts for nothing and almost never have any effective plays with Vipers. That's quite a few resources dumped for almost no return. On top of that, mechanics and decision making does seem to suffer a bit when the players are trying to incorporate the new units into their play on-the-fly. Think it pretty much comes down to swarm hosts playing completely differently from lurkers (you want to mass them, support them), whereas widow mines are still used the way spider mines were & the mothership core isn't exactly a complex unit. That's very true. I remember seeing Stephano crushing face with Swarm Hosts when he streamed HotS several weeks ago. He always kept them mobile in between cooldowns and used the Locusts to bolster his conventional army during pushes I wish he would stream HotS again. It was really fun to watch him destroying everyone. Totally agree, Stephano's overwhelming strength lies in understanding how to use each unit. Watching him play around on HotS was downright inspiring.
Maybe playing BW would actually be a handicap in this case, since Zerg players are using Swarm Hosts like Lurkers.
Stephano, having played WC3 and probably no BW at all, does not carry such assumptions into HotS, so he is able to intuitively figure out Swarm Hosts better than all these BW players using them like Lurkers.
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