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fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
November 10 2012 06:18 GMT
#841
On November 10 2012 15:16 larse wrote:
It's not that Blizzard now can't get the job done. Yes, they can, but in a very mediocre way and has very mediocre results. It's a bunch of professional clerks but nothing more. People keep saying Blizzard is not the Blizzard anymore. I don't agree with them since many old people are still there but it's just in general they are turning into something very mediocre and uninspiring.


Its just silly to be making these judgements based on beta, just stop.
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
November 10 2012 06:18 GMT
#842
Ok Time Warp and Tempest is a pretty cool combo
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
November 10 2012 06:18 GMT
#843
On November 10 2012 15:16 larse wrote:
It's not that Blizzard now can't get the job done. Yes, they can, but in a very mediocre way and has very mediocre results. It's a bunch of professional clerks but nothing more. People keep saying Blizzard is not the Blizzard anymore. I don't agree with them since many old people are still there but it's just in general they are turning into something very mediocre and uninspiring.

Except MoP was apparently really good, HotS seems to be addressing every major problem people had with SC2, and D3 has done nothing but improve into an incredibly solid successor to D2 (with a ton more to come).
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
November 10 2012 06:18 GMT
#844
The only units that Effort made so far that have done anything useful for him in this game are... wait for it... Infestors!!!
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
November 10 2012 06:18 GMT
#845
That's pretty badass tbh (balance aside)
Refer to my post.
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
November 10 2012 06:19 GMT
#846
On November 10 2012 15:18 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 15:16 larse wrote:
It's not that Blizzard now can't get the job done. Yes, they can, but in a very mediocre way and has very mediocre results. It's a bunch of professional clerks but nothing more. People keep saying Blizzard is not the Blizzard anymore. I don't agree with them since many old people are still there but it's just in general they are turning into something very mediocre and uninspiring.


Its just silly to be making these judgements based on beta, just stop.


I made this judgement based on WOL design, WOL balance history, D3, and HOTS beta so far.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
November 10 2012 06:19 GMT
#847
On November 10 2012 15:18 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Ok Time Warp and Tempest is a pretty cool combo

that was such a sick play. jaw dropped at that actually.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
November 10 2012 06:19 GMT
#848
On November 10 2012 15:13 Jehct wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 15:11 eviltomahawk wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:08 MangoMountain wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:04 sitromit wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:01 FuRong wrote:
To be fair, Effort didn't really look like he knew what he was going. It seemed more like "let's make a few of these new guys and send them across the map" than having an actual underlying strategy.


People keep saying this. So it's for some odd reason only the Zergs 3 days in a row who have no idea what they're doing, everyone else is a HotS expert with fully developed builds?

Not really, but you can't really tell if the zergs are losing because zerg is weak or if they're losing because they're playing wrong. It might take longer for some races to figure out actual good builds and strategies than others, that doesn't mean there's a flaw in the race, just gonna have to wait and see

From what I've seen, the Zergs keep throwing away Swarm Hosts for nothing and almost never have any effective plays with Vipers. That's quite a few resources dumped for almost no return.

On top of that, mechanics and decision making does seem to suffer a bit when the players are trying to incorporate the new units into their play on-the-fly.

Think it pretty much comes down to swarm hosts playing completely differently from lurkers (you want to mass them, support them), whereas widow mines are still used the way spider mines were & the mothership core isn't exactly a complex unit.

That's very true. I remember seeing Stephano crushing face with Swarm Hosts when he streamed HotS several weeks ago. He always kept them mobile in between cooldowns and used the Locusts to bolster his conventional army during pushes

I wish he would stream HotS again. It was really fun to watch him destroying everyone.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-10 06:21:15
November 10 2012 06:19 GMT
#849
I feel like Time Warp and Tempest could potentially be too strong when used together, although it won't be nearly as much of a problem as BL/infestor is since time warp is a slow and not a root, and tempest's don't fire broodlings that block unit pathing.

Ok maybe I spoke too soon.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
November 10 2012 06:21 GMT
#850
So, protoss air is getting to be an actual option, if you have soul.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
November 10 2012 06:21 GMT
#851
On November 10 2012 15:19 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 15:13 Jehct wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:11 eviltomahawk wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:08 MangoMountain wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:04 sitromit wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:01 FuRong wrote:
To be fair, Effort didn't really look like he knew what he was going. It seemed more like "let's make a few of these new guys and send them across the map" than having an actual underlying strategy.


People keep saying this. So it's for some odd reason only the Zergs 3 days in a row who have no idea what they're doing, everyone else is a HotS expert with fully developed builds?

Not really, but you can't really tell if the zergs are losing because zerg is weak or if they're losing because they're playing wrong. It might take longer for some races to figure out actual good builds and strategies than others, that doesn't mean there's a flaw in the race, just gonna have to wait and see

From what I've seen, the Zergs keep throwing away Swarm Hosts for nothing and almost never have any effective plays with Vipers. That's quite a few resources dumped for almost no return.

On top of that, mechanics and decision making does seem to suffer a bit when the players are trying to incorporate the new units into their play on-the-fly.

Think it pretty much comes down to swarm hosts playing completely differently from lurkers (you want to mass them, support them), whereas widow mines are still used the way spider mines were & the mothership core isn't exactly a complex unit.

That's very true. I remember seeing Stephano crushing face with Swarm Hosts when he streamed HotS several weeks ago. He always kept them mobile in between cooldowns and used the Locusts to bolster his conventional army during pushes

I wish he would stream HotS again. It was really fun to watch him destroying everyone.

Totally agree, Stephano's overwhelming strength lies in understanding how to use each unit. Watching him play around on HotS was downright inspiring.
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
November 10 2012 06:22 GMT
#852
I'm starting to live the way the new recall works. Suddenly a mama core flies in to the rescue and nabs out the last few Tempests
Hokay
Profile Joined May 2007
United States738 Posts
November 10 2012 06:23 GMT
#853
The Tempest looks and sounds so imposing but the tickling dps makes it look silly.
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
November 10 2012 06:23 GMT
#854
On November 10 2012 15:18 Jehct wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 15:16 larse wrote:
It's not that Blizzard now can't get the job done. Yes, they can, but in a very mediocre way and has very mediocre results. It's a bunch of professional clerks but nothing more. People keep saying Blizzard is not the Blizzard anymore. I don't agree with them since many old people are still there but it's just in general they are turning into something very mediocre and uninspiring.

Except MoP was apparently really good, HotS seems to be addressing every major problem people had with SC2, and D3 has done nothing but improve into an incredibly solid successor to D2 (with a ton more to come).


MoP is controversial--it's not like that a super majority is satisfied. The consensus on D3 from a very positive community (reddit) is that it has done some great things but failed in some major ways (even with 1.0.5).
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
November 10 2012 06:23 GMT
#855
On November 10 2012 15:22 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
I'm starting to live the way the new recall works. Suddenly a mama core flies in to the rescue and nabs out the last few Tempests


LOL it's like mama pulls up in a minivan for the rescue while the nerd in the process of getting depantsed
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-10 06:24:45
November 10 2012 06:23 GMT
#856
On November 10 2012 15:19 Dodgin wrote:
I feel like Time Warp and Tempest could potentially be too strong when used together, although it won't be nearly as much of a problem as BL/infestor is since time warp is a slow and not a root, and tempest's don't fire broodlings that block unit pathing.

Ok maybe I spoke too soon.

With the way the corruptor works (so gd tanky and massable, + infestor support) pure air is never going to be good. Need that HT support. Time warp + storm should be ridiculous, though ^_^
On November 10 2012 15:23 larse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 15:18 Jehct wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:16 larse wrote:
It's not that Blizzard now can't get the job done. Yes, they can, but in a very mediocre way and has very mediocre results. It's a bunch of professional clerks but nothing more. People keep saying Blizzard is not the Blizzard anymore. I don't agree with them since many old people are still there but it's just in general they are turning into something very mediocre and uninspiring.

Except MoP was apparently really good, HotS seems to be addressing every major problem people had with SC2, and D3 has done nothing but improve into an incredibly solid successor to D2 (with a ton more to come).


MoP is controversial--it's not like that a super majority is satisfied. The consensus on D3 from a very positive community (reddit) is that it has done some great things but failed in some major ways (even with 1.0.5).

No one is calling D3 a failure anymore, they just want shit like PvP/other stuff that has been announced as coming. Well, aside from the garbage story, that is.
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
November 10 2012 06:24 GMT
#857
On November 10 2012 15:23 Hokay wrote:
The Tempest looks and sounds so imposing but the tickling dps makes it look silly.


Yeah, the sound of tempest attack is loudest in all units. It has a very deep bass sound that lasts as long as a CC explodes.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 10 2012 06:24 GMT
#858
This comp needs storm or something to help deal with the corruptors
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
November 10 2012 06:25 GMT
#859
On November 10 2012 15:21 felisconcolori wrote:
So, protoss air is getting to be an actual option, if you have soul.


Well, until Corruptors show up. They still seem to be the end all be all of air superiority fighter.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
November 10 2012 06:25 GMT
#860
On November 10 2012 15:21 Jehct wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2012 15:19 eviltomahawk wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:13 Jehct wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:11 eviltomahawk wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:08 MangoMountain wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:04 sitromit wrote:
On November 10 2012 15:01 FuRong wrote:
To be fair, Effort didn't really look like he knew what he was going. It seemed more like "let's make a few of these new guys and send them across the map" than having an actual underlying strategy.


People keep saying this. So it's for some odd reason only the Zergs 3 days in a row who have no idea what they're doing, everyone else is a HotS expert with fully developed builds?

Not really, but you can't really tell if the zergs are losing because zerg is weak or if they're losing because they're playing wrong. It might take longer for some races to figure out actual good builds and strategies than others, that doesn't mean there's a flaw in the race, just gonna have to wait and see

From what I've seen, the Zergs keep throwing away Swarm Hosts for nothing and almost never have any effective plays with Vipers. That's quite a few resources dumped for almost no return.

On top of that, mechanics and decision making does seem to suffer a bit when the players are trying to incorporate the new units into their play on-the-fly.

Think it pretty much comes down to swarm hosts playing completely differently from lurkers (you want to mass them, support them), whereas widow mines are still used the way spider mines were & the mothership core isn't exactly a complex unit.

That's very true. I remember seeing Stephano crushing face with Swarm Hosts when he streamed HotS several weeks ago. He always kept them mobile in between cooldowns and used the Locusts to bolster his conventional army during pushes

I wish he would stream HotS again. It was really fun to watch him destroying everyone.

Totally agree, Stephano's overwhelming strength lies in understanding how to use each unit. Watching him play around on HotS was downright inspiring.

Maybe playing BW would actually be a handicap in this case, since Zerg players are using Swarm Hosts like Lurkers.

Stephano, having played WC3 and probably no BW at all, does not carry such assumptions into HotS, so he is able to intuitively figure out Swarm Hosts better than all these BW players using them like Lurkers.
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