EPTOn November 05 2012 23:02 Koesader wrote:
Damn Mvp and TaeJa out, no terran savior this season?
Damn Mvp and TaeJa out, no terran savior this season?
Have faith in YoDa!!!!
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
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gTank
Austria2667 Posts
On November 05 2012 23:06 Melliflue wrote: I don't understand why so many people think Terran can't win anything outside of Mvp. Taeja won many several tournaments earlier this year. The MLG did have a ZvZ final but both losing semi-finalists were Terran (Bomber and Flash), and half of the top 8 were Terran (with Heart and Taeja). Looking at the foreign scene, the ASUS ROG Gd Invitational was won by Thorzain, and the highest placed foreigner in the MvP was Major. I think Terrans are doing fine. That are only a couple of tournaments. Have you seen WCS KR or EU qualifiers? Do you watch any weekly tournaments? GO4SC2? Zotec Cup? Terrans are not doing fine. Why do you think there are tournaments like "Stim for the win" where lots of terrans are invited? | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7997 Posts
On November 05 2012 22:25 Chill Penguin wrote: I'm genuinely curious as to what it will take for Terran to finally receive a proper buff. As it stands I feel the Terran race is ONLY balanced for the top 3 or so terrans in the world (as evidenced especially in the foreign scene). At this point I almost hope the Terrans crash out of this GSL and somehow force Blizzards hand, as it seems the GSL is the only things that matters to the balance team (Only need to look at WCS). Hell, I play toss but cheer Terran almost exclusively because in my eyes they're clearly the weakest race (especially in the TvZ match-up). It's frustrating watching a terran have to play so perfect and the other races be so forgiving against them. Terran won for the majority of 2011, what happened? Nerf, nerf nerf nerf (in many cases rightly so). Toss and Zerg become dominant in 2012 and nothing happens. In fact they get more buffs. /rant. yeah man, i mean there are only 14 terrans in code s, thats not even 50% | ||
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-TesteR-
Canada1165 Posts
On November 05 2012 23:14 Tsubbi wrote: yeah man, i mean there are only 14 terrans in code s, thats not even 50% Also, MLG top 8 only had 50% terrans (4T 2Z 2 P). That's nice, but we really need to break that 50% mark. | ||
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Noispaxen
Poland150 Posts
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On November 05 2012 23:06 Melliflue wrote: I don't understand why so many people think Terran can't win anything outside of Mvp. Taeja won many several tournaments earlier this year. The MLG did have a ZvZ final but both losing semi-finalists were Terran (Bomber and Flash), and half of the top 8 were Terran (with Heart and Taeja). Looking at the foreign scene, the ASUS ROG Gd Invitational was won by Thorzain, and the highest placed foreigner in the MvP was Major. I think Terrans are doing fine. I think ppl are reacting to how the games look, not just stats. World class terrans like Taeja, Flash, MVP look like they get destroyed by top their world class zerg opponents. Games arent close at al. Taeja had a few early gg's in MLG against Life i think it was, and it was clear he was very frustrated with the situation. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On November 05 2012 23:19 -TesteR- wrote: Also, MLG top 8 only had 50% terrans (4T 2Z 2 P). That's nice, but we really need to break that 50% mark. And MLG top 2 was 100% zerg. Ro16 was actually pretty even with 5/5/6. | ||
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RiceAgainst
United States1849 Posts
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gTank
Austria2667 Posts
On November 05 2012 23:22 Noispaxen wrote: It's like terrans literally can't take ANY loses at all. Mvp lost today to DRG, he is arguably the best zerg in the world, and all I saw in the chat was "LOLOLOL, SO OP ZERG, EZ"... If it's so easy then why 99,9% of the zergs in the world would get owned badly by mvp anyways? Sure Mvp is THE terran out there, but also DRG is THE zerg, whining about balance cause one of those loses a bo3 to the other is just retarded. The problem is DRG is nowhere close to being that good. Leenock, Life and the likes are way better atm. Rain manhandled DRG in the OSL finals. DRG is absolutely not THE zerg right now. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On November 05 2012 23:08 gTank wrote: Terrans are not doing fine. Why do you think there are tournaments like "Stim for the win" where lots of terrans are invited? Even that tournament shows the problem. There was 24 terrans and only 4 zergs and 4 protoss players invited. Out of 24 there is only 2 terran semifinalists and out of 4 zergs, there is still 2 potential semifinalists. And the tournament will most likely be won by Stephano or Nerchio  | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
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Noispaxen
Poland150 Posts
On November 05 2012 23:27 gTank wrote: The problem is DRG is nowhere close to being that good. Leenock, Life and the likes are way better atm. Rain manhandled DRG in the OSL finals. DRG is absolutely not THE zerg right now. No, it's not a problem, there is no way to judge who is the one best, but saying leenock/life are way better is just silly. And if that's how you look at things, then Mvp is absolutely not at his best right now either. | ||
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Kitaen
Austria466 Posts
best example at this MLG: rain loses 8 (eight!) colossi to taeja vikings (because he randomly lost 10 stalkers) and just rolls over him with mass zealot/archon imagine a terran losing 8 tanks before an actual engagment happens; good luck  )or when (i think demuslim was it) killed 150 workers in a mech tvz vs stephano at WCS europe; ppl start to wonder if somebody deserves a win while not beeing able to shutdown major errors/harass like this terran is a strong races when your gameplan and execution works to perfection, but this has not to be the case for protoss and especially not zerg | ||
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gTank
Austria2667 Posts
On November 05 2012 23:47 Kitaen wrote: ppl are ranting about terran's weakness because terran must not do any error in their game at, while zerg and protoss can take worker harass and/or lose engagements and still be in a somehow winable position best example at this MLG: rain loses 8 (eight!) colossi to taeja vikings (because he randomly lost 10 stalkers) and just rolls over him with mass zealot/archon imagine a terran losing 8 tanks before an actual engagment happens; good luck )or when (i think demuslim was it) killed 150 workers in a mech tvz vs stephano at WCS europe; ppl start to wonder if somebody deserves a win while not beeing able to shutdown major errors/harass like this terran is a strong races when your gameplan and execution works to perfection, but this has not to be the case for protoss and especially not zerg Exactly, same as Life donating Infestors for nothing and it still doesn't matter. Even the game on Ohana where he lost to Flash and lost 10 infestors for free was way too close. If a terran loses 10 Tanks or 10 ghosts, it is basically a huge blow. | ||
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ragz_gt
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DigitalDevil
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On November 05 2012 23:47 Kitaen wrote: ppl are ranting about terran's weakness because terran must not do any error in their game at, while zerg and protoss can take worker harass and/or lose engagements and still be in a somehow winable position best example at this MLG: rain loses 8 (eight!) colossi to taeja vikings (because he randomly lost 10 stalkers) and just rolls over him with mass zealot/archon imagine a terran losing 8 tanks before an actual engagment happens; good luck )or when (i think demuslim was it) killed 150 workers in a mech tvz vs stephano at WCS europe; ppl start to wonder if somebody deserves a win while not beeing able to shutdown major errors/harass like this terran is a strong races when your gameplan and execution works to perfection, but this has not to be the case for protoss and especially not zerg It's pretty easy to selectively choose only the cases where the terran lost and cry about it. For the longest time, the other two races were complaining about how terran had the most forgivable economic mechanics, had the best chances for making miracle comebacks, had the best turtling capabilities, had the best harass capabilities, and the strongest all ins. It's not even that unbalanced right now and yet there continues to be sore losers up in arms. The game changes at such a fast rate and people are so quick to jump on the OP bandwagon. | ||
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speknek
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gTank
Austria2667 Posts
On November 06 2012 00:04 DigitalDevil wrote: It's pretty easy to selectively choose only the cases where the terran lost and cry about it. For the longest time, the other two races were complaining about how terran had the most forgivable economic mechanics, had the best chances for making miracle comebacks, had the best turtling capabilities, had the best harass capabilities, and the strongest all ins. It's not even that unbalanced right now and yet there continues to be sore losers up in arms. The game changes at such a fast rate and people are so quick to jump on the OP bandwagon. What miracle comebacks? Seriously? | ||
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DigitalDevil
219 Posts
On November 06 2012 00:04 speknek wrote: This is a good thing. Superior terrans dropping left and right will have to catch blizzards attention at some point. Just offrace on ladder for a while longer until things are fixed. Where were you when superior tosses or zergs dropped left and right? SC2 is fairly volatile and it's not surprising seeing superior player A drop to a marginally less superior player B. The difference in skill at the top is not overwhelming and the player landscape changes pretty quickly. Not to mention players can slump. | ||
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Maloreon
United States911 Posts
On November 05 2012 23:06 Melliflue wrote: I don't understand why so many people think Terran can't win anything outside of Mvp. Taeja won many several tournaments earlier this year. The MLG did have a ZvZ final but both losing semi-finalists were Terran (Bomber and Flash), and half of the top 8 were Terran (with Heart and Taeja). Looking at the foreign scene, the ASUS ROG Gd Invitational was won by Thorzain, and the highest placed foreigner in the MvP was Major. I think Terrans are doing fine. Exactly, Terrans are putting up the numbers they are just consistently losing in MLG/GSL to the players with the best mechanics and best mindset (hardest to defeat mentally): Life and Leenock. So they get 4/8 in top 8, or 3/8 and then suddenly the race is bad. Its just 2-4 insanely good Zergs that don't even rely on Hive units at all. I mean Life and Leenock build their winning advantages the majority of the time with Tier 1-2... they finish things off with Hive tech many times but like 90% of their games they are dominating their opponent and then Infestors pop out and suddenly they "only won" because of Infestors.... lol. | ||
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