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Embir
Poland567 Posts
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On October 21 2012 22:31 FeyFey wrote: hm, the problem i thought of was that tanks are relatively weak against lings. Buffing them could give them an edge in that direction. Also, in pvt it could give more variety in openings. Siege tanks are just that bad because map design disfavors them. Some time ago the most important thing on a map was that siege tanks would have no spot they could take advantage of. But you mean things like the higher ground in the middle of shakuras plateau? I guess that map changes in that direction could also work in their favor. | ||
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pmp10
3398 Posts
On October 21 2012 22:32 MasterOfPuppets wrote: I don't remember that well so please take what I say with a pinch of salt, but I recall that WCS Asia Grand Finals was under 40k concurrent viewers for the last matches, despite Liquid`HerO, PartinG and the newly-affirmed Bison? That's pretty telling to be honest. I'd dispute that as many reasons like time-placement production-issues and all-asian player roster could have been far more important. Honestly the only way to tell would be to compare regular high-profile events with varied match-ups - like say GSL finals. Sadly no concrete numbers are available as far as I know. | ||
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
On October 21 2012 22:36 eieio wrote: Wow I guess if Fraer defends this he wins but I'm pretty sure he can't... Nah, that's the thing... Even if you defend against it. You still don't win. You just get to the next phase. | ||
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HereBeDragons
1429 Posts
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
On October 21 2012 22:38 TheHova wrote: Nah, that's the thing... Even if you defend against it. You still don't win. You just get to the next phase. I don't play this matchup(I'm T, clearly), but I always kinda assumed it was like holding two base muta in bw tvz or something, I guess I'm wrong? | ||
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MangoMountain
Norway2044 Posts
On October 21 2012 22:31 FeyFey wrote: Siege tanks are just that bad because map design disfavors them. Some time ago the most important thing on a map was that siege tanks would have no spot they could take advantage of. I really think that pretty much every balance complaint can be solved with different map pools. The tricky part is making unique, creative maps that allow a variety of playstyles but are better for some than others, while not being imbalanced. Plus, a lot of people have some knee-jerk reactions to any map that doesn't let you take 3 bases instantly, or let you forge expand easily, or let you have easy surrounds in open areas, and I really think it's the biggest cause for the "stagnation" that people keep talking about | ||
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
On October 21 2012 22:39 eieio wrote: I don't play this matchup(I'm T, clearly), but I always kinda assumed it was like holding two base muta in bw tvz or something, I guess I'm wrong? Yep, the Zerg takes multiple bases and a huge econ behind it. Then goes Hive and spines up. There's no timing and you never win a base race against mutas. | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
On October 21 2012 22:40 TheHova wrote: Yep, the Zerg takes multiple bases and a huge econ behind it. Then goes Hive and spines up. There's no timing and you never win a base race against mutas. hahaha shows how much I know about the matchup, thanks man. That actually makes a lot of sense, having no timing to win on seems pretty deadly for p to me. | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
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DOUDOU
Wales2940 Posts
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Sakkreth
Lithuania1096 Posts
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Sp00ly
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
On October 21 2012 22:44 Sp00ly wrote: Fraer is so dead. pretty sure you're right | ||
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Trashman420
232 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 21 2012 22:44 Sakkreth wrote: Zerg is disgusting. I agree Zerg is pretty gross looking. | ||
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Asmodeusx
286 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On October 21 2012 22:39 MangoMountain wrote: I really think that pretty much every balance complaint can be solved with different map pools. The tricky part is making unique, creative maps that allow a variety of playstyles but are better for some than others, while not being imbalanced. Plus, a lot of people have some knee-jerk reactions to any map that doesn't let you take 3 bases instantly, or let you forge expand easily, or let you have easy surrounds in open areas, and I really think it's the biggest cause for the "stagnation" that people keep talking about The problem has multiple levels: 1. That Blizzard insists on putting their garbage cookie cutter mid-sized bland maps in the ladder map pool instead of good community-made maps 2. That tournaments rarely if ever add new and interesting maps to their pool, GSL/GSTL being the only exceptions. 3. That many people who comment in the map section (well most of the few, if that makes any sense) have no fucking idea what they're talking about and can only say "omg this looks like ohana" or "omg ur map sux why cant i play the same boring style everyone has been playing for 9 months, wtf is this sorcery, why u try somthin new omg" All of those, combined with the piss poor custom map system within BNet 2.0, lead to mapmakers having little interest to pursue this. They get no recognition for their maps, not even if said maps are quite good. | ||
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1894 Posts
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buffs if they want to see better matchup distribution in their tourneys 
