The time has come for the Premier group matches of the IGN Pro Team League!
Group A Schedule: Liquid vs EG: September 11 SlayerS vs MVP: September 18 Liquid vs MVP: September 25 SlayerS vs EG: October 2 SlayerS vs Liquid: October 9 MVP vs EG: October 16
When: Tuesday, Oct 16 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
Format
Premier Division Group A is made up of four teams: Team Liquid, SlayerS, MVP, and Evil Geniuses. Group B contains LG-Incredible Miracle, StarTale, Prime, and TSL. Both groups will play round robin against each other team in their group. When group stages are over, the top two teams from each Group will play in a playoff for the $9,000 first prize!
MVP DongRaeGu Finale Dream Galaxy KeeN Killer Lure Monster Noblesse sC Sniper TAiLS Vampire Bang YangSongE
DRG looks to be back on track for this one after OSL, also Vampire just survived a crazy Muta spamming Hyun, I can easily see Stephano losing to one of these guys.
Then there are always guys like Sniper, Monster and Keen to clean up the rest of the field.
Cant see EG taking this one, as the opposite side posess too much depth.
I think EG will take there first loss. MVP looks good right now. And depending on when the games were played there is a chance Stephano won't be playing his ban and all. Ether way I don't think it looks to good for EG.
On October 17 2012 02:21 Mirhi wrote: Enormous playoff implications in this one. Either of these teams could be out with a loss, depending on the result, SlayerS could advance or not.
Huge match.
what are the tie breakers exactly? Especially if MVP, SlayerS and EG all end up 2-1? Total map score? Cause if so, EG would just need to win 2 games to secure top 2.
Stephano as starter... I don´t man, smells like a textbook snipe incoming. Then again, Stephano is the bring-it-type, so he´s gonna handle it. I hope Thorzain and Keen meet, shit would get epic!
On October 17 2012 02:16 Inzan1ty wrote: DRG looks to be back on track for this one after OSL, also Vampire just survived a crazy Muta spamming Hyun, I can easily see Stephano losing to one of these guys.
Then there are always guys like Sniper, Monster and Keen to clean up the rest of the field.
Cant see EG taking this one, as the opposite side posess too much depth.
Stephano would destroy Vampire in a normal match...saying that he survived a crazy Muta spamming Hyun has nothing to do with this scenarion because:
1.Stephano is better than Hyun in ZvP. 2.Stephano almost never goes Mutas... But yeah, stupid move by EG to send in Stephano at a starter, they'll keep sending Zergs until he loses...
But hey, Stephano can still lose to Vampire(and something tells me that you already know the result.)
Boy, I sure hope no one finds out about my true motives :p
Your sig reveals your dark intent !
Isn't the situation that if EG take 2 games then they are guaranteed to go through>
I guess that's why they're opening with Stephano, MVP often like to keep their big guns like sniper in the background and let some of their lower players run around before bringing him or DRG out so grab two wins against someone like tails and sC and get through.
On October 17 2012 03:00 IGNProLeague wrote: To those asking in the thread
1) Stephano is the starter in this match.
2) Tie breakers for groups are first head to head (for 2 way tie) then if 3 way tie, total map score.
I'm glad Stephano will be playing this match. Without him, it will definitely be tough for EG. If Huk or JYP can do a good job of backing him up, EG might still go far.
These games were played a month ago according to Stephano's match history on NA server(i suppose they were played on NA since Stephano was staying in Eu at that time)...
On October 17 2012 04:05 Rhaegar_tar wrote: These games were played a month ago according to Stephano's match history on NA server(i suppose they were played on NA since Stephano was staying in Eu at that time)...
On October 17 2012 04:05 Rhaegar_tar wrote: These games were played a month ago according to Stephano's match history on NA server(i suppose they were played on NA since Stephano was staying in Eu at that time)...
On October 17 2012 04:05 Rhaegar_tar wrote: These games were played a month ago according to Stephano's match history on NA server(i suppose they were played on NA since Stephano was staying in Eu at that time)...
This is 100% false. They were played much more recently.
Im taking MVP 5-3 because MVP's roster is too deep and im a fanboy.
On October 17 2012 03:41 Daswollvieh wrote: Stephano as starter... I don´t man, smells like a textbook snipe incoming. Then again, Stephano is the bring-it-type, so he´s gonna handle it. I hope Thorzain and Keen meet, shit would get epic!
Yea with zergs like Sniper and Monster (possibly DRG ) this doesnt make sense to me.
On October 17 2012 02:16 Inzan1ty wrote: DRG looks to be back on track for this one after OSL, also Vampire just survived a crazy Muta spamming Hyun, I can easily see Stephano losing to one of these guys.
Then there are always guys like Sniper, Monster and Keen to clean up the rest of the field.
Cant see EG taking this one, as the opposite side posess too much depth.
Stephano would destroy Vampire in a normal match...saying that he survived a crazy Muta spamming Hyun has nothing to do with this scenarion because:
1.Stephano is better than Hyun in ZvP. 2.Stephano almost never goes Mutas... But yeah, stupid move by EG to send in Stephano at a starter, they'll keep sending Zergs until he loses...
But hey, Stephano can still lose to Vampire(and something tells me that you already know the result.)
It's a brilliant move.
EG only needs to win 1 or 2 games if I recall to go through. Get the wins out of the way, and you can worry about seeding.
On October 17 2012 04:05 Rhaegar_tar wrote: These games were played a month ago according to Stephano's match history on NA server(i suppose they were played on NA since Stephano was staying in Eu at that time)...
On October 17 2012 05:36 Beavo wrote: Cheering for EG all the way, but I think it may be in vain :'(
Fortunately all they need is one win as they beat Slayers 5-1 and Liquid 5-4, and MVP lost to Slayers. So odds are EXTREMELY good of EG making it into the playoffs. There's still reason to watch after the first EG win however. If EG wins then Slayers also makes it through, if they lose without getting all-killed then EG and MVP make it through, if they get all killed MVP and Slayers make it through.
On October 17 2012 08:08 JJH777 wrote: Vampire gonna all-kill if he beats Stephano. Maybe JYP/Huk could beat him since PvP is volatile but he just beat Parting so I doubt it.
Meh, Thorzain, Demuslim and Puma can take out Vampire. Perpetual Code-A class, any of the three Terrans have a chance.
On October 17 2012 08:08 JJH777 wrote: Vampire gonna all-kill if he beats Stephano. Maybe JYP/Huk could beat him since PvP is volatile but he just beat Parting so I doubt it.
Yah vampire's on a roll, but that doesn't mean he'll all kill. Overall, I don't think EG's chances are to bad, Stephano could get some kills but even if he doesn't that's Ok, against a team with such Zerg strength JYP will be invaluable, but EG will probably want to save him force ace so they can snipe MVP's terrans before him. I expect that EG would use HuK for this, as his PvT has been looking good lately, with a win against Alive and a tie against flash, he should be able to handle any terran MVP can field. He's weak against Zerg so don't expect any huge effort from him but if he can snipe a terran, then JYP can take the rest with his strong PvZ. I might add both have Strong PvP, so togeather, JYP and HuK could make quite the anti MVP fighting force. Thorzain and Puma can also pick up wins, so all in all, EG dosn't look so bad as long as they can protect the weaknesses of their key players. (PvT for JYP, PvZ for HuK) Predict 5-4 EG.
On October 17 2012 08:21 jmbthirteen wrote: pretty sure that win secures EG top 2 in their group
Nah, if they lose, I think they tie.
if they lose it will be a 3 way tie which means it comes down to map score. That win means their map score will be the same as SlayerS if they lose the rest of the games tonight. But since they beat SlayerS head to head, they should advance over them.
I don't know how Vampire got code S. I just remember that game in the GSTL where he looked like a platinum player at best. Maybe he will surprise me in this coming code s but it's not looking like it.
On October 17 2012 08:28 Blardy wrote: I don't know how Vampire got code S. I just remember that game in the GSTL where he looked like a platinum player at best. Maybe he will surprise me in this coming code s but it's not looking like it.
On October 17 2012 08:28 Blardy wrote: I don't know how Vampire got code S. I just remember that game in the GSTL where he looked like a platinum player at best. Maybe he will surprise me in this coming code s but it's not looking like it.
From what I heard, HyuN mostly lost because of HyuN's mistakes, not Vampire's incredible play. Still think he has yet to prove himself against the best though.
On October 17 2012 08:28 Blardy wrote: I don't know how Vampire got code S. I just remember that game in the GSTL where he looked like a platinum player at best. Maybe he will surprise me in this coming code s but it's not looking like it.
He'll take out one of the seeded foreigners.
Impossible. He's a 4 seed. Seeded players are always 4 seeds as well.
On October 17 2012 08:28 Blardy wrote: I don't know how Vampire got code S. I just remember that game in the GSTL where he looked like a platinum player at best. Maybe he will surprise me in this coming code s but it's not looking like it.
From what I heard, HyuN mostly lost because of HyuN's mistakes, not Vampire's incredible play. Still think he has yet to prove himself against the best though.
Hyun is probably a top 5 zerg (Symbol said DRG, Stephano and Hyun were the best three.) It was just one series, but he made it through Code A into Code S which is a great accomplishment in itself. Hell, Flash couldnt even do it.
On October 17 2012 08:28 Blardy wrote: I don't know how Vampire got code S. I just remember that game in the GSTL where he looked like a platinum player at best. Maybe he will surprise me in this coming code s but it's not looking like it.
From what I heard, HyuN mostly lost because of HyuN's mistakes, not Vampire's incredible play. Still think he has yet to prove himself against the best though.
Hyun is probably a top 5 zerg (Symbol said DRG, Stephano and Hyun were the best three.) It was just one series, but he made it through Code A into Code S which is a great accomplishment in itself. Hell, Flash couldnt even do it.
Don't think Flash is there yet. Plenty of Terrans who can basically flip for it.
On October 17 2012 08:28 Blardy wrote: I don't know how Vampire got code S. I just remember that game in the GSTL where he looked like a platinum player at best. Maybe he will surprise me in this coming code s but it's not looking like it.
From what I heard, HyuN mostly lost because of HyuN's mistakes, not Vampire's incredible play. Still think he has yet to prove himself against the best though.
Hyun is probably a top 5 zerg (Symbol said DRG, Stephano and Hyun were the best three.) It was just one series, but he made it through Code A into Code S which is a great accomplishment in itself. Hell, Flash couldnt even do it.
Flash is definitely proving himself in the SC2 scene, but Code S? Maybe in the next few GSL seasons, but don't have such high hopes for him just based off MvP and Code A.
On October 17 2012 08:29 Sbrubbles wrote: Damn, missed first game. How was it?
Stephano did a lot of damage with semi early ling aggression, taking out 3 pylons, a cannon, 4-5 zealots, and forced a cancel on Vampire's 3rd. Hardly lost any lings while doing it.
A bit later Stephano does a roach/ling/infestor attack that gets crushed by sentry/immortal/chargelots. Vampire pushes back but Stephano barely holds it with a nice engagement. Both players macro a bit. Vampire moves out to take out Stephano's 4th and as this is happening Stephano does a ton of damage with a ling runby. Vampire kills the 4th base but then gets caught out by a few broods/infestors and loses his army.
On October 17 2012 08:28 Blardy wrote: I don't know how Vampire got code S. I just remember that game in the GSTL where he looked like a platinum player at best. Maybe he will surprise me in this coming code s but it's not looking like it.
From what I heard, HyuN mostly lost because of HyuN's mistakes, not Vampire's incredible play. Still think he has yet to prove himself against the best though.
Hyun is probably a top 5 zerg (Symbol said DRG, Stephano and Hyun were the best three.) It was just one series, but he made it through Code A into Code S which is a great accomplishment in itself. Hell, Flash couldnt even do it.
Flash is definitely proving himself in the SC2 scene, but Code S? Maybe in the next few GSL seasons, but don't have such high hopes for him just based off MvP and Code A.
Just by saying "Flash couldnt do it" makes your argument so much better. I realize that hes only been playing for a few months lol
Meh, this is boring, no more PvZs! Let Stephano forfeit, and bring on Demuslim, IdrA, HuK and Thorzain. I just want to see the rest get exposure since now they're through for sure.
On October 17 2012 08:29 Sbrubbles wrote: Damn, missed first game. How was it?
Stephano did a lot of damage with semi early ling aggression, taking out 3 pylons, a cannon, 4-5 zealots, and forced a cancel on Vampire's 3rd. Hardly lost any lings while doing it.
A bit later Stephano does a roach/ling/infestor attack that gets crushed by sentry/immortal/chargelots. Vampire pushes back but Stephano barely holds it with a nice engagement. Both players macro a bit. Vampire moves out to take out Stephano's 4th and as this is happening Stephano does a ton of damage with a ling runby. Vampire kills the 4th base but then gets caught out by a few broods/infestors and loses his army.
I always find that defending with quick infestors doesn't work well against mass roach, but it looks like Sniper isn't going to push the issue too hard.
zvz.... infestors are really hard to hold any early push with cause you have so few and stephano already lost some of his infestors so i think that might mean he's gonna get over run... third under fire while sniper has his up .
but stephano's gonna stay in this, he should have an infestor lead but we'll see...
I sitll do not understand why people sit there and fight after a zerg has used infested terrans, it's not like they're fast, just back off let them die...
On October 17 2012 08:57 MisterTea wrote: I sitll do not understand why people sit there and fight after a zerg has used infested terrans, it's not like they're fast, just back off let them die...
this, unless you yourself have used infested terrans too. but sniper definitely fought in a terrible concave
On October 17 2012 08:57 MisterTea wrote: I sitll do not understand why people sit there and fight after a zerg has used infested terrans, it's not like they're fast, just back off let them die...
Well sometimes you are right, other times its the timing. The other zerg has the reinforcing advantage. If you get ahead in battle, you keep going at it - despite the infested terrans. Retreating gets the homeside advantage of reinforcing quickly back in play.
But yeah, i understand your point. In different occassions its better to retreat and waste the infestor energy.
stephano made the dumbest decision to not make any zerglings until he was being attacked. maybe a little harsh but he should have scouted somewhat before going to 22 drones
i thought jyp was looking really strong but then he decided to retreat right when he could've warped in units and attacked. now monster has so many bases it's gonna be gg
i thought jyp was looking really strong but then he decided to retreat right when he could've warped in units and attacked. now monster has so many bases it's gonna be gg.
On October 17 2012 09:33 stuchiu wrote: Hydras were kind of useful in this game. Guess you learn something new everyday.
It's funny. I've played with Hydra added in standart broodlord composition like a year ago. If you have the gas to still have the infestors / corruptor, it's quite fun. The Hydra dps melt everything, espcialy those pesky stalkers.
I see LzGaMeR is still on the EG-roster.. Haven't seen him in a loong time.. And considering the MVP lineup, i won't be expecting him this evening either.
On October 17 2012 09:39 Larkin wrote: I suggest that Monster would never all-kill EG if he wasn't Zerg.
I suggest that you take your anti zerg feelings elsewhere!
On October 17 2012 09:40 Loxley wrote: I see LzGaMeR is still on the EG-roster.. Haven't seen him in a loong time.. And considering the MVP lineup, i won't be expecting him this evening either.
On October 17 2012 09:36 PhoenixVoid wrote: Too be honest, neither ThorZaIN or PuMa have been too strong recently, so I think Monster could all-kill EG if he gets lucky.
Thorzain just won a pretty nice event. No koreans but the top european scene no doubt.
On October 17 2012 09:39 Larkin wrote: I suggest that Monster would never all-kill EG if he wasn't Zerg.
I suggest that you take your anti zerg feelings elsewhere!
Nothing against Zerg, just feel that if he was Protoss or Terran he would lose.
And why would he offrace in a important tournament match?
Lol he's just a butthurt stephano fan. It's no different than if I said stephano wouldn't win if he wasn't zerg. Just baseless arguments because monster killed his favourite player.
On October 17 2012 09:39 Larkin wrote: I suggest that Monster would never all-kill EG if he wasn't Zerg.
I suggest that you take your anti zerg feelings elsewhere!
Nothing against Zerg, just feel that if he was Protoss or Terran he would lose.
How is this different from saying "Zerg OP"
Regardless of if Zerg is OP, I think the point is Zerg is super solid, you can do the same things over and over with slight variations, and even you're predictable it doesn't matter that much as Zerg.
On October 17 2012 09:39 Larkin wrote: I suggest that Monster would never all-kill EG if he wasn't Zerg.
I suggest that you take your anti zerg feelings elsewhere!
Nothing against Zerg, just feel that if he was Protoss or Terran he would lose.
How is this different from saying "Zerg OP"
It's more saying "EG are better at killing Protoss or Terran than Zerg".
just stop please.
Why? What am I doing except suggesting that EG has, in general, weaker MUs vs Zerg? Their best vs Zerg is probably JYP and he's dead. Thorzain and Puma aren't as good vs Zerg and Zerg is doing well against Terran right now.
It's a perfectly valid point to make, and there's no need for you to be a dick.
On October 17 2012 10:02 PhoenixVoid wrote: Why do Zergs insist on not building Spines against Mech?
Even if zerg does no matter what you are losing most if not all the drones at the base. Not saying don't make it, but it wouldn't make a difference he still would have lost all those drones.
They should still be made so that you can at least kill hellions, but otherwise dunno.
On October 17 2012 10:02 PhoenixVoid wrote: Why do Zergs insist on not building Spines against Mech?
Even if zerg does no matter what you are losing most if not all the drones at the base. Not saying don't make it, but it wouldn't make a difference he still would have lost all those drones.
They should still be made so that you can at least kill hellions, but otherwise dunno.
The best way to defend is to keep strong map control and defend the hellions with roaches and lings. With these you can intercept the hellions en route and save all the drones. With spines you'll lose most of the drones anyways.
On October 17 2012 10:02 PhoenixVoid wrote: Why do Zergs insist on not building Spines against Mech?
Even if zerg does no matter what you are losing most if not all the drones at the base. Not saying don't make it, but it wouldn't make a difference he still would have lost all those drones.
They should still be made so that you can at least kill hellions, but otherwise dunno.
But imagine the resources, larva and time that could have been spent on other things rather than rebuilding Drones. Building 2-3 Spines per base seems worth it imo.
On October 17 2012 10:02 PhoenixVoid wrote: Why do Zergs insist on not building Spines against Mech?
Even if zerg does no matter what you are losing most if not all the drones at the base. Not saying don't make it, but it wouldn't make a difference he still would have lost all those drones.
They should still be made so that you can at least kill hellions, but otherwise dunno.
But imagine the resources, larva and time that could have been spent on other things rather than rebuilding Drones. Building 2-3 Spines per base seems worth it imo.
Well I don't think any of us expected that kind of game. That was crazy. 30 minute roach vs thor slugfest. Don't know why Monster didn't try and expand and tech rather than keep throwing roaches at Thorzain, but yeah.
I feel Monster was really unable to transition effectively after the mutaling bane attack didn't kill Thorzain right away He did good with the roaches but heh.. Thorzain had 3-3 mech on the way already
Monster made some good engagements in the mid-game, taking a bulk of Thorzain's thors, but he never capitalized on the opportunity and didn't expand....
On October 17 2012 10:13 ref4 wrote: lol monster must have forgotten zergs have air units
Doesn't matter when Thorzain has a bajillion Thors .
Splitting Brood Lords is stronk yo
Funnily enough... Thors trade evenly with split blords O.o More than evenly with the upgrades they had that game.
yeah if you have hellions around to clean up the broodlings quickly and scv's to repair thors with 3-3 do quite well against broods with poor upgrades.
On October 17 2012 10:13 ref4 wrote: lol monster must have forgotten zergs have air units
Doesn't matter when Thorzain has a bajillion Thors .
Splitting Brood Lords is stronk yo
In a funny enough way, going roaches for that long and trying to force good engagements was probably the only thing Monster could do.
Going 0-0 Broodlords doesn't "save you" vs Mech when they're going 3-3 thors. If anything, it just leaves you vulnerable to a timing and still weak in a straight up fight.
Monster should have started to go for the late game earlier, or he should have gotten drops to try to out harass Thorzain.
On October 17 2012 10:13 PhoenixVoid wrote: This is such a scrappy game. It goes back and forth constantly. If only Monster had made BLs earlier.
His build was completely aimed towards overpowering mech in midgame, he can't just switch to a lategame focused build at will.
Thorzain's early hellions decided that game imo. This switching back and forth between roaches and mutas vs mech is an old and strong way of dealing with mech, but it's very momentum-based. If you ever let the T stabilise, you're stuck with mediocre upgrades and bad tech vs a maxed mech army. You don't really have the time to get your drone count back up, then continue with the attack and you don't have the larvae for it either.
I missed early game, but it seems odd Monster would continue with 2/2 ling upgrades while going roach muta. Lings help out a lot, but they're not the main component of that style.
On October 17 2012 10:20 Corrosive wrote: whos gonna be ace? cant be huk right?
Why not?
If not, then it'll probably be Idra. That'll be interesting.
Or Incontrol will take it with his token cannon rush into mass void ray.
Or Demuslim, who has a habit of beating top Koreans and losing to randoms. Or Machine, who is Machine. Or LzGamer, who I'm not even sure is registered for IPL.
Love this Sonic the Hedgehog-esque music. Much more original and fun than boring ol' dubstep all the time. Not that dubstep is bad, just every single background music nowadays around esports is dubstep. So this is cool. And anything that reminds me of Sonic is all about awesome.
Love how Thorzain and Stephano, EG's top two foreigner hopes, are the ones owning all the koreans. JYP and Puma are deadweight. I never see them win anything anymore even in team leagues.... Puma wins every now and again, but when is the last time JYP won? Even in MCSL I see them losing to really good foreigners, not top tier foreigners tho.
I hope teams take this as precedent and realize that... Korean doesn't always equate to better. Especially when they're players who win quite a bit for a short period of time like JYP. I just hope they aren't paying out the ass for JYP and Puma.... because frankly they don't bring in much hype compared to the other EG heavy hitters.
On October 17 2012 10:24 Vega62a wrote: What an awkward failed 2 rax.
It was worthwhile enough
Remains to be seen. He did no damage, and the "soft damage" of the 5 whole drones that weren't made isn't enough to offset the absurdly late expo and tech. In addition, Thorzain now has no map control, so DRG can drone to his heart's content if he wants.
On October 17 2012 10:25 Probasaur wrote: Love this Sonic the Hedgehog-esque music. Much more original and fun than boring ol' dubstep all the time. Not that dubstep is bad, just every single background music nowadays around esports is dubstep. So this is cool. And anything that reminds me of Sonic is all about awesome.
Love how Thorzain and Stephano, EG's top two foreigner hopes, are the ones owning all the koreans. JYP and Puma are deadweight. I never see them win anything anymore even in team leagues.... Puma wins every now and again, but when is the last time JYP won? Even in MCSL I see them losing to really good foreigners, not top tier foreigners tho.
I hope teams take this as precedent and realize that... Korean doesn't always equate to better. Especially when they're players who win quite a bit for a short period of time like JYP. I just hope they aren't paying out the ass for JYP and Puma.... because frankly they don't bring in much hype compared to the other EG heavy hitters.
JYP did pretty well in Code S. If you consider getting Ro16 good, but in this Code S that's like winning an EU tournament.
On October 17 2012 10:24 Vega62a wrote: What an awkward failed 2 rax.
It was worthwhile enough
Remains to be seen. He did no damage, and the "soft damage" of the 5 whole drones that weren't made isn't enough to offset the absurdly late expo and tech.
lol any time you force 10 lings and don't actually lose anything, I count that as a win.
On October 17 2012 10:24 Vega62a wrote: What an awkward failed 2 rax.
It was worthwhile enough
Remains to be seen. He did no damage, and the "soft damage" of the 5 whole drones that weren't made isn't enough to offset the absurdly late expo and tech.
lol any time you force 10 lings and don't actually lose anything, I count that as a win.
You lose tech and expo.
Note the inability to deal with any mutalisks at all.
On October 17 2012 10:24 Vega62a wrote: What an awkward failed 2 rax.
It was worthwhile enough
Remains to be seen. He did no damage, and the "soft damage" of the 5 whole drones that weren't made isn't enough to offset the absurdly late expo and tech.
lol any time you force 10 lings and don't actually lose anything, I count that as a win.
You lose tech and expo.
Note the inability to deal with any mutalisks at all.
Your expo is delayed anytime you go 2rax. ? was that the problem of the 2rax or was that the mid-game plan that went bad?
following that up with bf hellions and rallying all marines without upgrades was very very risky.
Frankly I have no idea what happened to Thorzain in that game, it looked completly different from the style he used to play (haven't seen him often since June, missed his games at the EU WCS e.g.) and frankly fairly ineffective.
He was going to lose a ton of workers, had no defense, couldn't do any damage back because DRG has enough ground units at home. He would be dead sooner or later.
Only explanation is he assumed that 10 more mutas were bout to hit.
All I can do is cross my fingers and pray that Huk can get something done here. I honestly don't see it happening but a boy can dream, can't he?
Its definitely going to be rough tho, DRG just took down MC if I'm not mistaken. I'm very ambivalent about Thorzain losing right there, I would have of course loved to see him take down DRG and also win the entire match for his team, but at the same time I'm dying to see Huk begin his triumphant rise from the ashes and return to top tier form. Will this be it? One can only hope.
On October 17 2012 10:29 sitromit wrote: He was going to lose a ton of workers, had no defense, couldn't do any damage back because DRG has enough ground units at home. He would be dead sooner or later.
There wasn't a flock of muta's.. Counted 5 in the base. With medivac support and SCV's repairing each other he could have held that. And against DRG he would probably be dead yeah, but I'd like to see the later more than the sooner.
On October 17 2012 10:24 Vega62a wrote: What an awkward failed 2 rax.
It was worthwhile enough
Remains to be seen. He did no damage, and the "soft damage" of the 5 whole drones that weren't made isn't enough to offset the absurdly late expo and tech.
lol any time you force 10 lings and don't actually lose anything, I count that as a win.
You lose tech and expo.
Note the inability to deal with any mutalisks at all.
Your expo is delayed anytime you go 2rax. ? was that the problem of the 2rax or was that the mid-game plan that went bad?
That's what I mean. His everything was really late, and you do need a certain amount of tech (stim, reactors, upgrades) to effectively deal with mutas while still being able to pressure. The 2rax didn't do enough to justify that loss. You really have to kill a bunch of drones or a hatch with a 2 rax for it to be worth it. A drone pull and 3 more ling pairs than would normally be produced (keep in mind most zergs make 2 sets of lings right away, so 5 vs 2) is not enough.
On October 17 2012 10:29 sitromit wrote: He was going to lose a ton of workers, had no defense, couldn't do any damage back because DRG has enough ground units at home. He would be dead sooner or later.
There wasn't a flock of muta's.. Counted 5 in the base. With medivac support and SCV's repairing each other he could have held that. And against DRG he would probably be dead yeah, but I'd like to see the later more than the sooner.
On October 17 2012 10:41 CosmicSpiral wrote: When was the last time HuK played a straight-up macro game against zerg?
I have like never seen him do it. I swear everytime I think he might go for a macro game he does an attack and then loses. Only times I remember his pvz being good where back when 8 gate was really good.
Dunno I remember back when like every toss played turtle toss he still did the same 2 base all ins, and still does the same 2 base all ins from a year or so ago xD
On October 17 2012 10:41 CosmicSpiral wrote: When was the last time HuK played a straight-up macro game against zerg?
In a streamed, tournament match? I can't even remember. I really can't. Last time I saw him play at an MLG Invitational he was doing his 1 gas 8 gate all in with zealot warp ins everywhere that tore apart Zergs.
In spite of everything else, I am awarding Huk the spiritual win for realizing that if DRG wastes all his energy on infested terrans he can just walk backwards.
EG and MVP certainly the most deserving teams of going into the next round/division/bracket/whatever it is. SlayerS hardly played their A team and Liquid proved their lack of strength in depth beyond Taeja and Hero.
On October 17 2012 10:46 Dodgin wrote: casters pretending this game hasn't been over for 10 minutes >_>
Thats uhhh... kindof their job. I enjoy it soooo so much more than "its over... he's gonna GG any minute, he's so far behind. he's really dead... theres not much he can do to come back....etc etc"
GG.... unfortunate, but EG will still make the playoffs. I really hope Huk can get into shape to at least be able to take 1-2 wins during the playoffs and allow Stephano and Thorzain to be the cleanup hitters.
On October 17 2012 10:47 Probasaur wrote: This is really brutal on my poort fanboy heart.
Mine too, Huk was my hero for a while.
I dont know why he doesn't play standard. His macro and builds are good and crisp. He's smart. He's capable of being a really dangerous pvz player but he chooses to do the same things he did a year ago, only now they've been figured out.
How did they determine which team belongs to premier groups? If they just put the popular teams as "premier" instead of through skill, then that's disappointing. Every team should start with an even chance of winning and getting to the finals.
On October 17 2012 11:17 NoGasfOu wrote: How did they determine which team belongs to premier groups? If they just put the popular teams as "premier" instead of through skill, then that's disappointing. Every team should start with an even chance of winning and getting to the finals.
On October 17 2012 11:17 NoGasfOu wrote: How did they determine which team belongs to premier groups? If they just put the popular teams as "premier" instead of through skill, then that's disappointing. Every team should start with an even chance of winning and getting to the finals.
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