[WCS] Asian Finals Day 2 - Page 100

On October 14 2012 22:44 redviper wrote:


In before Rain loses in the WCS Grand Finals and in the OSL finals. This is the same sort of hero worship rain was getting before MVP showed him who is boss.

On October 14 2012 22:50 Poopi wrote:
So you are telling me that Creator won the WCS KR qualifiers, but didn't qualify for the WCS World?
T;T so sad -;-.

On October 14 2012 22:50 Poopi wrote:
So you are telling me that Creator won the WCS KR qualifiers, but didn't qualify for the WCS World?
T;T so sad -;-.

On October 14 2012 22:50 Dodgin wrote:
It's actually not surprising at all that there are so few players above 60% winrate in KR TLPD, if you're above 50% you are a successful pro gamer, 60% and higher is what you get if you're a dominating player, of which there are very few. what I do find surprising is that NesTea is not above 60% since he won 3 GSL's and one of them undefeated I figure he would be at least 60%.

On October 14 2012 22:36 vthree wrote:


Interesting. Biggest surprise on that list for me is Bomber.

On October 14 2012 22:50 Dodgin wrote:
It's actually not surprising at all that there are so few players above 60% winrate in KR TLPD, if you're above 50% you are a successful pro gamer, 60% and higher is what you get if you're a dominating player, of which there are very few. what I do find surprising is that NesTea is not above 60% since he won 3 GSL's and one of them undefeated I figure he would be at least 60%.



he is qualified for the world finals from winning wcs kr

On October 14 2012 22:53 MasterOfPuppets wrote:


NesTea is actually at 61.4% in Standard Leagues.

Opterown's ranking and stats is for all games, including korean-only online qualifiers for some tournaments, shomatches, special tournaments (Arena of Legends) and that sort of stuff.

On October 14 2012 22:54 Dodgin wrote:


ah, yeah I thought so. I didn't look at ELO granting games only for every player, only for Marineking to check if he was cheating

On October 14 2012 22:45 opterown wrote:

same for a lot of other dudes too, i didn't do this to be biased =.=

the line that the TLPD dudes use for this is also very arbitrary; what makes a game worth more than others? maybe if only GSTL/GSL/OSL games were in TLPD then i agree, but taeja's is massively inflated with ESV (so is yonghwa's), and the KSL games aren't even consistently there or not (some are included, some aren't) etc. TSL4 quals are in standard league; what makes this different to MLG quals? There are also some online tourneys from waaayyy back that are included in ELO calcs. the only person who doesn't benefit really is sun haha

This is a somewhat fairer representation imo

On October 14 2012 22:50 Poopi wrote:
So you are telling me that Creator won the WCS KR qualifiers, but didn't qualify for the WCS World?
T;T so sad -;-.

On October 14 2012 22:43 opterown wrote:

+ Show Spoiler +

watch them again ;p they weren't lucky short games lol, it's just the nature of PvP

10:36 G1; G2 was 11:43 and G3 was 9:31, pretty even

On October 14 2012 23:22 power-overwhelming wrote:
Another 2nd place finish for ST! Lol..

Also Rain's PVP is a sight to behold. He makes the match up non-coin flippy. All these hate for Rain shows to me that people are still insecure at the fact that their current fav player may not be so good anymore due to the massive influx of talent coming from kespa player.

On October 14 2012 21:44 lolmlg wrote:

I'm not a big Bison fan or whatever, but I had a thought about this. A lot of people are trying to say that MVP will be the SC2 bonjwa if he wins the current GSL season, because he will have won five championships. Putting aside that it's an arbitrary number, bonjwa never had anything to do with numbers of championships. It was meant to describe a player that stood head and shoulders above the competition and dominated the game for a period of time. Nobody was comfortable calling Flash a bonjwa when he was constantly having a close series with Jaedong, because it cast doubt on the idea that he was dominant. Later on people called him "God" but Jaedong had to enter a brutal slump first.

MVP crashed out of the OSL during the group stages. His GSL semi-final series against Rain, which he narrowly won, occurred a single day after Rain's semi-final series against Last in the OSL, which Rain won. Rain's won WCS Asia and he could win the OSL. If he continues to post results in the near future, I don't think it will matter what MVP does. Because "bonjwa" isn't about being good, it's about being the only player on your level. If MVP versus Rain continues to be a nailbiter, MVP isn't a bonjwa.

But who knows, they may never meet in a tournament again.

On October 14 2012 23:52 sharkie wrote:


Did you see the Code S thread after MVP won game 5? lol