EPT[WCS] Asian Finals Day 2 - Page 104
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
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JJH777
United States4420 Posts
On October 15 2012 17:16 jalstar wrote: MVP is like 2004-2007 NaDa, he just shows up and wins tournaments from time to time, and keeps doing it. Now you might say "well Nada's a bonjwa so there" but NaDa is a bonjwa because of how dominant he was in 2002-03 when he won almost every KPGA tour there was and an OSL (at the same time) on top of that. Looking at it Nada won 3 tournaments in 2002 and 1 in early 2003. MVP won 3 GSLs and got to the finals and top 4 of another two during 2011 along with all his other accomplishments. How isn't that comparable? Then there is win-rate where 2011 MVP is only 3% lower in win-rate than 2002 Nada. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On October 15 2012 18:00 JJH777 wrote: Looking at it Nada won 3 tournaments in 2002 and 1 in early 2003. MVP won 3 GSLs and got to the finals and top 4 of another two during 2011 along with all his other accomplishments. How isn't that comparable? Then there is win-rate where 2011 MVP is only 3% lower in win-rate than 2002 Nada. Not even close. There were probably 4-5x the amount of tournaments in 2011 as in 2002. Try again. | ||
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JJH777
United States4420 Posts
On October 15 2012 18:02 jalstar wrote: Not even close. There were probably 4-5x the amount of tournaments in 2011 as in 2002. Try again. No there wasn't. I'm just talking about GSLs. There were 6 MSLs/OSLs in 2002 and a half of another OSL. There were only 9 GSLs.For Nada out of those seven tournaments he won 4, didn't make it into two and placed ro8 in the other. For MVP he won 3 placed second in another, placed top 4 in another two, placed top 32 in 2, and didn't make it into one. I agree that Nada's is better but I don't think those 2 accomplishments are extremely far away from eachother. Especially since after that year Nada didn't win another major league for several years. MVP has won one this year and might win a 2nd. | ||
nimdil
Poland3774 Posts
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Poopi
France13022 Posts
On October 15 2012 18:00 JJH777 wrote: Looking at it Nada won 3 tournaments in 2002 and 1 in early 2003. MVP won 3 GSLs and got to the finals and top 4 of another two during 2011 along with all his other accomplishments. How isn't that comparable? Then there is win-rate where 2011 MVP is only 3% lower in win-rate than 2002 Nada. Pretty sure that there are more GSL than BW tourneys, and the mappool and balance were favorable for terrans in the first two GSL that Mvp won so having a good TvT was almost enough to win the whole thing. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
MVP came far closer last year to this magical B-word than he has now. WCG, Blizzcon, GSL August, October runner-up, and 3 x semi finals appearances. At that point, if he had won any 2 of those 4 I feel like the word would have been far more closely scrutinised then. As it stands, MVP is just the best player in sc2. Can he be beaten? Sure, it's an upset most of the time, but unfortunately not all the time. I'm one of many that laugh at writers and people for betting against MVP (especially in GSL), but that alone should tell you a story of how he's still not really a 'bonjwa'. As I said a few posts ago, I don't know if anyone in sc2 will come close to this given the sheer saturation of tournaments and volatility of sc2 as it stands in what are still the 'early days' knowing expansions are coming. MVP's just the best player. Hands down. But he doesn't always look like he might be the best player on the day. That's why he's not a bonjwa. As saddening as it is =( EDIT: Gah, totally sidetracking this thread...should talk about this somewhere else imo... | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Bahamuth
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Gorilla23
United States339 Posts
On October 15 2012 22:17 nojok wrote: So we have WCS final without Korean terran. Seriously it sux, PvZ, ZvP, ZvZ & PvP are less interesting to me than all the terrans matchup. I blame MVP & Taeja, the buff destroyers. What nerf was Taeja responsible for? | ||
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ayayouyouyaille
France112 Posts
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power-overwhelming
Canada306 Posts
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MapleLeafSirup
Germany950 Posts
It's as simple as that if you read the definition. | ||
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