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On October 14 2012 21:25 ElephantBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:21 red4ce wrote:On October 14 2012 21:12 ElephantBaby wrote:On October 14 2012 21:04 FakeDeath wrote:On October 14 2012 21:01 InDesconrowl wrote:On October 14 2012 20:55 red4ce wrote:
Rain's coinflipping skills are something to behold. Can you stop saying pvp is a coinflip matchup? It is still a coinflip match-up. It really depends on who get the better build order. Just that Sun is so good at flipping coins. Everyone thought ZvZ in BW is completely coin flip before jaedong comes along. Jaedong completely changed everybody's mind, he can beat you with many build order disadvantages. ZvZ in BW is even worse than PvP in SC2 in this regard. By.sun is doing the same thing in SC2 now. People said the same thing when MC was dominating PvP. And then when Oz was dominating PvP. And then when Squirtle was dominating PvP. The new blood always has an advantage because they can study everyone else's style while themselves being overlooked. Once Rain's tricks are copied by the other protoss his PvP record will fall in line with everyone else's. I didn't say the same thing when they were dominating. Things are different. Never believed MC is a deep enough progamer to be consistent for years. There's no trick in rain's play, he play standard, and solid, micro, macro, no allins. MC's play is never solid, just aggressive timings, that's called trick play.
I think the thing that really stands out about Rain is that he almost never makes any 'big' mistakes. Of course, he has insane micro and macro as well but so do many of the top Protoss players. But you still see some blunders by them more often.
Something that is slightly off topic. Who shows more emotion? Rain or Curious?
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On October 14 2012 21:40 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:25 ElephantBaby wrote:On October 14 2012 21:21 red4ce wrote:On October 14 2012 21:12 ElephantBaby wrote:On October 14 2012 21:04 FakeDeath wrote:On October 14 2012 21:01 InDesconrowl wrote:On October 14 2012 20:55 red4ce wrote:
Rain's coinflipping skills are something to behold. Can you stop saying pvp is a coinflip matchup? It is still a coinflip match-up. It really depends on who get the better build order. Just that Sun is so good at flipping coins. Everyone thought ZvZ in BW is completely coin flip before jaedong comes along. Jaedong completely changed everybody's mind, he can beat you with many build order disadvantages. ZvZ in BW is even worse than PvP in SC2 in this regard. By.sun is doing the same thing in SC2 now. People said the same thing when MC was dominating PvP. And then when Oz was dominating PvP. And then when Squirtle was dominating PvP. The new blood always has an advantage because they can study everyone else's style while themselves being overlooked. Once Rain's tricks are copied by the other protoss his PvP record will fall in line with everyone else's. I didn't say the same thing when they were dominating. Things are different. Never believed MC is a deep enough progamer to be consistent for years. There's no trick in rain's play, he play standard, and solid, micro, macro, no allins. MC's play is never solid, just aggressive timings, that's called trick play. I think the thing that really stands out about Rain is that he almost never makes any 'big' mistakes. Of course, he has insane micro and macro as well but so do many of the top Protoss players. But you still see some blunders by them more often. Something that is slightly off topic. Who shows more emotion? Rain or Curious?
Sun easily shows more emotion.
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On October 14 2012 21:42 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:40 vthree wrote:On October 14 2012 21:25 ElephantBaby wrote:On October 14 2012 21:21 red4ce wrote:On October 14 2012 21:12 ElephantBaby wrote:On October 14 2012 21:04 FakeDeath wrote:On October 14 2012 21:01 InDesconrowl wrote:On October 14 2012 20:55 red4ce wrote:
Rain's coinflipping skills are something to behold. Can you stop saying pvp is a coinflip matchup? It is still a coinflip match-up. It really depends on who get the better build order. Just that Sun is so good at flipping coins. Everyone thought ZvZ in BW is completely coin flip before jaedong comes along. Jaedong completely changed everybody's mind, he can beat you with many build order disadvantages. ZvZ in BW is even worse than PvP in SC2 in this regard. By.sun is doing the same thing in SC2 now. People said the same thing when MC was dominating PvP. And then when Oz was dominating PvP. And then when Squirtle was dominating PvP. The new blood always has an advantage because they can study everyone else's style while themselves being overlooked. Once Rain's tricks are copied by the other protoss his PvP record will fall in line with everyone else's. I didn't say the same thing when they were dominating. Things are different. Never believed MC is a deep enough progamer to be consistent for years. There's no trick in rain's play, he play standard, and solid, micro, macro, no allins. MC's play is never solid, just aggressive timings, that's called trick play. I think the thing that really stands out about Rain is that he almost never makes any 'big' mistakes. Of course, he has insane micro and macro as well but so do many of the top Protoss players. But you still see some blunders by them more often. Something that is slightly off topic. Who shows more emotion? Rain or Curious? Sun easily shows more emotion.
Did you see him he just won his match? He looked like he won a ladder game...
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On October 14 2012 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Looking at his PvZ and PvP ability that he has demonstrated recently, I would honestly call him the favourite in both OSL and WCS Grand Finals.
I'm not a big Bison fan or whatever, but I had a thought about this. A lot of people are trying to say that MVP will be the SC2 bonjwa if he wins the current GSL season, because he will have won five championships. Putting aside that it's an arbitrary number, bonjwa never had anything to do with numbers of championships. It was meant to describe a player that stood head and shoulders above the competition and dominated the game for a period of time. Nobody was comfortable calling Flash a bonjwa when he was constantly having a close series with Jaedong, because it cast doubt on the idea that he was dominant. Later on people called him "God" but Jaedong had to enter a brutal slump first.
MVP crashed out of the OSL during the group stages. His GSL semi-final series against Rain, which he narrowly won, occurred a single day after Rain's semi-final series against Last in the OSL, which Rain won. Rain's won WCS Asia and he could win the OSL. If he continues to post results in the near future, I don't think it will matter what MVP does. Because "bonjwa" isn't about being good, it's about being the only player on your level. If MVP versus Rain continues to be a nailbiter, MVP isn't a bonjwa.
But who knows, they may never meet in a tournament again.
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On October 14 2012 21:44 lolmlg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Looking at his PvZ and PvP ability that he has demonstrated recently, I would honestly call him the favourite in both OSL and WCS Grand Finals. I'm not a big Bison fan or whatever, but I had a thought about this. A lot of people are trying to say that MVP will be the SC2 bonjwa if he wins the current GSL season, because he will have won five championships. Putting aside that it's an arbitrary number, bonjwa never had anything to do with numbers of championships. It was meant to describe a player that stood head and shoulders above the competition and dominated the game for a period of time. Nobody was comfortable calling Flash a bonjwa when he was constantly having a close series with Jaedong, because it cast doubt on the idea that he was dominant. Later on people called him "God" but Jaedong had to enter a brutal slump first. MVP crashed out of the OSL during the group stages. His GSL semi-final series against Rain, which he narrowly won, occurred a single day after Rain's semi-final series against Last in the OSL, which Rain won. Rain's won WCS Asia and he could win the OSL. If he continues to post results in the near future, I don't think it will matter what MVP does. Because "bonjwa" isn't about being good, it's about being the only player on your level. If MVP versus Rain continues to be a nailbiter, MVP isn't a bonjwa. But who knows, they may never meet in a tournament again.
I like how bonjwa is above god lol
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On October 14 2012 21:44 lolmlg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Looking at his PvZ and PvP ability that he has demonstrated recently, I would honestly call him the favourite in both OSL and WCS Grand Finals. I'm not a big Bison fan or whatever, but I had a thought about this. A lot of people are trying to say that MVP will be the SC2 bonjwa if he wins the current GSL season, because he will have won five championships. Putting aside that it's an arbitrary number, bonjwa never had anything to do with numbers of championships. It was meant to describe a player that stood head and shoulders above the competition and dominated the game for a period of time. Nobody was comfortable calling Flash a bonjwa when he was constantly having a close series with Jaedong, because it cast doubt on the idea that he was dominant. Later on people called him "God" but Jaedong had to enter a brutal slump first. MVP crashed out of the OSL during the group stages. His GSL semi-final series against Rain, which he narrowly won, occurred a single day after Rain's semi-final series against Last in the OSL, which Rain won. Rain's won WCS Asia and he could win the OSL. If he continues to post results in the near future, I don't think it will matter what MVP does. Because "bonjwa" isn't about being good, it's about being the only player on your level. If MVP versus Rain continues to be a nailbiter, MVP isn't a bonjwa. But who knows, they may never meet in a tournament again.
Honestly, even though they're both my favourite players at the moment (and I've been a huge Mvp fan for a long time) I still think that it would be a bit ridiculous to call either of them a bonjwa. Maybe if Heart of the Swarm were to be delayed a year, and one of the two would keep slaughtering nerds left and right until the expansion's release, maybe then I would agree with the idea.
Until then, Mvp is the best player in Wings of Liberty overall and both of them are some of the best players right now, but I can't comfortably call either of them a real Bonjwa.
Maybe if HotS will last as long as WoL did until LotV comes out... I don't know, only time will tell.
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I don't think It's fair to say " Mvp crashed out of the OSL in the group stages " the games were bo1 and he went 1-2, single elimination best of five Mvp is a completely different monster, I believe someone posted the stats on his record in bo5's and bo7's and it was something like 85% set winrate.
not gonna comment on the bonjwa stuff, cause It's silly.
Consider that if the GSL semi finals were bo1's or even bo3's Rain would have advanced instead of Mvp, or that if the OSL Semi Finals were bo5 instead of bo7 Last would have 3-0'd Rain.
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On October 14 2012 21:44 lolmlg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Looking at his PvZ and PvP ability that he has demonstrated recently, I would honestly call him the favourite in both OSL and WCS Grand Finals. I'm not a big Bison fan or whatever, but I had a thought about this. A lot of people are trying to say that MVP will be the SC2 bonjwa if he wins the current GSL season, because he will have won five championships. Putting aside that it's an arbitrary number, bonjwa never had anything to do with numbers of championships. It was meant to describe a player that stood head and shoulders above the competition and dominated the game for a period of time. Nobody was comfortable calling Flash a bonjwa when he was constantly having a close series with Jaedong, because it cast doubt on the idea that he was dominant. Later on people called him "God" but Jaedong had to enter a brutal slump first. MVP crashed out of the OSL during the group stages. His GSL semi-final series against Rain, which he narrowly won, occurred a single day after Rain's semi-final series against Last in the OSL, which Rain won. Rain's won WCS Asia and he could win the OSL. If he continues to post results in the near future, I don't think it will matter what MVP does. Because "bonjwa" isn't about being good, it's about being the only player on your level. If MVP versus Rain continues to be a nailbiter, MVP isn't a bonjwa. But who knows, they may never meet in a tournament again.
Don't thing we should get too caught up with the term bonjwa. It was only created to describe one person. All the other 'bonjwas' were bestowed the title retrospectively.
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On October 14 2012 21:51 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:44 lolmlg wrote:On October 14 2012 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Looking at his PvZ and PvP ability that he has demonstrated recently, I would honestly call him the favourite in both OSL and WCS Grand Finals. I'm not a big Bison fan or whatever, but I had a thought about this. A lot of people are trying to say that MVP will be the SC2 bonjwa if he wins the current GSL season, because he will have won five championships. Putting aside that it's an arbitrary number, bonjwa never had anything to do with numbers of championships. It was meant to describe a player that stood head and shoulders above the competition and dominated the game for a period of time. Nobody was comfortable calling Flash a bonjwa when he was constantly having a close series with Jaedong, because it cast doubt on the idea that he was dominant. Later on people called him "God" but Jaedong had to enter a brutal slump first. MVP crashed out of the OSL during the group stages. His GSL semi-final series against Rain, which he narrowly won, occurred a single day after Rain's semi-final series against Last in the OSL, which Rain won. Rain's won WCS Asia and he could win the OSL. If he continues to post results in the near future, I don't think it will matter what MVP does. Because "bonjwa" isn't about being good, it's about being the only player on your level. If MVP versus Rain continues to be a nailbiter, MVP isn't a bonjwa. But who knows, they may never meet in a tournament again. Don't thing we should get too caught up with the term bonjwa. It was only created to describe one person. All the other 'bonjwas' were bestowed the title retrospectively.
didnt it originally come from julyzerg or something
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On October 14 2012 21:53 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:51 vthree wrote:On October 14 2012 21:44 lolmlg wrote:On October 14 2012 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Looking at his PvZ and PvP ability that he has demonstrated recently, I would honestly call him the favourite in both OSL and WCS Grand Finals. I'm not a big Bison fan or whatever, but I had a thought about this. A lot of people are trying to say that MVP will be the SC2 bonjwa if he wins the current GSL season, because he will have won five championships. Putting aside that it's an arbitrary number, bonjwa never had anything to do with numbers of championships. It was meant to describe a player that stood head and shoulders above the competition and dominated the game for a period of time. Nobody was comfortable calling Flash a bonjwa when he was constantly having a close series with Jaedong, because it cast doubt on the idea that he was dominant. Later on people called him "God" but Jaedong had to enter a brutal slump first. MVP crashed out of the OSL during the group stages. His GSL semi-final series against Rain, which he narrowly won, occurred a single day after Rain's semi-final series against Last in the OSL, which Rain won. Rain's won WCS Asia and he could win the OSL. If he continues to post results in the near future, I don't think it will matter what MVP does. Because "bonjwa" isn't about being good, it's about being the only player on your level. If MVP versus Rain continues to be a nailbiter, MVP isn't a bonjwa. But who knows, they may never meet in a tournament again. Don't thing we should get too caught up with the term bonjwa. It was only created to describe one person. All the other 'bonjwas' were bestowed the title retrospectively. didnt it originally come from julyzerg or something
it was created for savior, and then it was given to boxer nada and oov later on, retrospectively.
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Congratulations to Rain!  It's too bad he couldn't win GSL too.
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On October 14 2012 21:56 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:53 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 14 2012 21:51 vthree wrote:On October 14 2012 21:44 lolmlg wrote:On October 14 2012 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Looking at his PvZ and PvP ability that he has demonstrated recently, I would honestly call him the favourite in both OSL and WCS Grand Finals. I'm not a big Bison fan or whatever, but I had a thought about this. A lot of people are trying to say that MVP will be the SC2 bonjwa if he wins the current GSL season, because he will have won five championships. Putting aside that it's an arbitrary number, bonjwa never had anything to do with numbers of championships. It was meant to describe a player that stood head and shoulders above the competition and dominated the game for a period of time. Nobody was comfortable calling Flash a bonjwa when he was constantly having a close series with Jaedong, because it cast doubt on the idea that he was dominant. Later on people called him "God" but Jaedong had to enter a brutal slump first. MVP crashed out of the OSL during the group stages. His GSL semi-final series against Rain, which he narrowly won, occurred a single day after Rain's semi-final series against Last in the OSL, which Rain won. Rain's won WCS Asia and he could win the OSL. If he continues to post results in the near future, I don't think it will matter what MVP does. Because "bonjwa" isn't about being good, it's about being the only player on your level. If MVP versus Rain continues to be a nailbiter, MVP isn't a bonjwa. But who knows, they may never meet in a tournament again. Don't thing we should get too caught up with the term bonjwa. It was only created to describe one person. All the other 'bonjwas' were bestowed the title retrospectively. didnt it originally come from julyzerg or something it was created for savior, and then it was given to boxer nada and oov later on, retrospectively.
Actually it did originate with JulyZerg, but it got its current meaning during Ma Bonjwa's reign. After that came the era of TaekBangLeeSsang, which FlaSh broke when he transcended into his god form. 
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How fucking long will I have to wait for a herO vs HerO match? 
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On October 14 2012 21:59 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:56 Dodgin wrote:On October 14 2012 21:53 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 14 2012 21:51 vthree wrote:On October 14 2012 21:44 lolmlg wrote:On October 14 2012 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Looking at his PvZ and PvP ability that he has demonstrated recently, I would honestly call him the favourite in both OSL and WCS Grand Finals. I'm not a big Bison fan or whatever, but I had a thought about this. A lot of people are trying to say that MVP will be the SC2 bonjwa if he wins the current GSL season, because he will have won five championships. Putting aside that it's an arbitrary number, bonjwa never had anything to do with numbers of championships. It was meant to describe a player that stood head and shoulders above the competition and dominated the game for a period of time. Nobody was comfortable calling Flash a bonjwa when he was constantly having a close series with Jaedong, because it cast doubt on the idea that he was dominant. Later on people called him "God" but Jaedong had to enter a brutal slump first. MVP crashed out of the OSL during the group stages. His GSL semi-final series against Rain, which he narrowly won, occurred a single day after Rain's semi-final series against Last in the OSL, which Rain won. Rain's won WCS Asia and he could win the OSL. If he continues to post results in the near future, I don't think it will matter what MVP does. Because "bonjwa" isn't about being good, it's about being the only player on your level. If MVP versus Rain continues to be a nailbiter, MVP isn't a bonjwa. But who knows, they may never meet in a tournament again. Don't thing we should get too caught up with the term bonjwa. It was only created to describe one person. All the other 'bonjwas' were bestowed the title retrospectively. didnt it originally come from julyzerg or something it was created for savior, and then it was given to boxer nada and oov later on, retrospectively. Actually it did originate with JulyZerg, but it got its current meaning during Ma Bonjwa's reign. After that came the era of TaekBangLeeSsang, which FlaSh broke when he transcended into his god form.
" get its meaning " is what I meant by " created " guess I could have worded it better
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On October 14 2012 21:53 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:51 vthree wrote:On October 14 2012 21:44 lolmlg wrote:On October 14 2012 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Looking at his PvZ and PvP ability that he has demonstrated recently, I would honestly call him the favourite in both OSL and WCS Grand Finals. I'm not a big Bison fan or whatever, but I had a thought about this. A lot of people are trying to say that MVP will be the SC2 bonjwa if he wins the current GSL season, because he will have won five championships. Putting aside that it's an arbitrary number, bonjwa never had anything to do with numbers of championships. It was meant to describe a player that stood head and shoulders above the competition and dominated the game for a period of time. Nobody was comfortable calling Flash a bonjwa when he was constantly having a close series with Jaedong, because it cast doubt on the idea that he was dominant. Later on people called him "God" but Jaedong had to enter a brutal slump first. MVP crashed out of the OSL during the group stages. His GSL semi-final series against Rain, which he narrowly won, occurred a single day after Rain's semi-final series against Last in the OSL, which Rain won. Rain's won WCS Asia and he could win the OSL. If he continues to post results in the near future, I don't think it will matter what MVP does. Because "bonjwa" isn't about being good, it's about being the only player on your level. If MVP versus Rain continues to be a nailbiter, MVP isn't a bonjwa. But who knows, they may never meet in a tournament again. Don't thing we should get too caught up with the term bonjwa. It was only created to describe one person. All the other 'bonjwas' were bestowed the title retrospectively. didnt it originally come from julyzerg or something
It described Savior but it's really too late to get uptight about it, it's been applied to lots of people and there isn't much reason why it shouldn't be if the circumstances are right.
On October 14 2012 21:50 Dodgin wrote:
I don't think It's fair to say " Mvp crashed out of the OSL in the group stages " the games were bo1 and he went 1-2, single elimination best of five Mvp is a completely different monster, I believe someone posted the stats on his record in bo5's and bo7's and it was something like 85% set winrate.
not gonna comment on the bonjwa stuff, cause It's silly.
Consider that if the GSL semi finals were bo1's or even bo3's Rain would have advanced instead of Mvp, or that if the OSL Semi Finals were bo5 instead of bo7 Last would have 3-0'd Rain.
Round robin is not "best of one". And you can't just subtract games from a series and say that another player would have won. But my point was at least related to what you've written at the bottom of your post. What if Rain versus MVP had been a best of seven? The answer is an emphatic "who knows?", right? As long as it's "who knows?" then the bonjwa people have a problem.
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On October 14 2012 22:03 lolmlg wrote:
Round robin is not "best of one". And you can't just subtract games from a series and say that another player would have won. But my point was at least related to what you've written at the bottom of your post. What if Rain versus MVP had been a best of seven? The answer is an emphatic "who knows?", right? As long as it's "who knows?" then the bonjwa people have a problem.
well, if last-rain was a bo5, then it would be last 3-0 rain
imagine if inca-nestea was a bo9 instead of a bo7, and inca came back from 4-0 down to winning 5-4 - > there's always that question, unlikely though it may be. yeah it seems likelier for rain to come back against last after 3 games down than inca against nestea 4 games down, but that's all in hindsight ;p last's timing pushes worked for 3 games and not for the last 4 - what if inca's DTs didn't work for 4 games but did for the last 5? lolol
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On October 14 2012 22:03 lolmlg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:53 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 14 2012 21:51 vthree wrote:On October 14 2012 21:44 lolmlg wrote:On October 14 2012 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Looking at his PvZ and PvP ability that he has demonstrated recently, I would honestly call him the favourite in both OSL and WCS Grand Finals. I'm not a big Bison fan or whatever, but I had a thought about this. A lot of people are trying to say that MVP will be the SC2 bonjwa if he wins the current GSL season, because he will have won five championships. Putting aside that it's an arbitrary number, bonjwa never had anything to do with numbers of championships. It was meant to describe a player that stood head and shoulders above the competition and dominated the game for a period of time. Nobody was comfortable calling Flash a bonjwa when he was constantly having a close series with Jaedong, because it cast doubt on the idea that he was dominant. Later on people called him "God" but Jaedong had to enter a brutal slump first. MVP crashed out of the OSL during the group stages. His GSL semi-final series against Rain, which he narrowly won, occurred a single day after Rain's semi-final series against Last in the OSL, which Rain won. Rain's won WCS Asia and he could win the OSL. If he continues to post results in the near future, I don't think it will matter what MVP does. Because "bonjwa" isn't about being good, it's about being the only player on your level. If MVP versus Rain continues to be a nailbiter, MVP isn't a bonjwa. But who knows, they may never meet in a tournament again. Don't thing we should get too caught up with the term bonjwa. It was only created to describe one person. All the other 'bonjwas' were bestowed the title retrospectively. didnt it originally come from julyzerg or something It described Savior but it's really too late to get uptight about it, it's been applied to lots of people and there isn't much reason why it shouldn't be if the circumstances are right. Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:50 Dodgin wrote:
I don't think It's fair to say " Mvp crashed out of the OSL in the group stages " the games were bo1 and he went 1-2, single elimination best of five Mvp is a completely different monster, I believe someone posted the stats on his record in bo5's and bo7's and it was something like 85% set winrate.
not gonna comment on the bonjwa stuff, cause It's silly.
Consider that if the GSL semi finals were bo1's or even bo3's Rain would have advanced instead of Mvp, or that if the OSL Semi Finals were bo5 instead of bo7 Last would have 3-0'd Rain. Round robin is not "best of one". And you can't just subtract games from a series and say that another player would have won. But my point was at least related to what you've written at the bottom of your post. What if Rain versus MVP had been a best of seven? The answer is an emphatic "who knows?", right? As long as it's "who knows?" then the bonjwa people have a problem.
Whatever, bonjwa is just a word. Mvp is still the most accomplished WoL player by far and it's unlikely that this will change until HotS comes out.
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I'm not talking about that bonjwa term at all, you just shouldn't say someone " crashed " out of a league when they lost two bo1's, it's irrelevant if the format is dual tournament or round robin, the games are best of one, which is incredibly volatile. there's a reason GSL changed to bo3 group stages.
I mean, I might be wrong, but I don't think anyone actually cares that Mvp lost in OSL, because it was two bo1 TvP's.
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On October 14 2012 22:03 lolmlg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:53 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 14 2012 21:51 vthree wrote:On October 14 2012 21:44 lolmlg wrote:On October 14 2012 21:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Looking at his PvZ and PvP ability that he has demonstrated recently, I would honestly call him the favourite in both OSL and WCS Grand Finals. I'm not a big Bison fan or whatever, but I had a thought about this. A lot of people are trying to say that MVP will be the SC2 bonjwa if he wins the current GSL season, because he will have won five championships. Putting aside that it's an arbitrary number, bonjwa never had anything to do with numbers of championships. It was meant to describe a player that stood head and shoulders above the competition and dominated the game for a period of time. Nobody was comfortable calling Flash a bonjwa when he was constantly having a close series with Jaedong, because it cast doubt on the idea that he was dominant. Later on people called him "God" but Jaedong had to enter a brutal slump first. MVP crashed out of the OSL during the group stages. His GSL semi-final series against Rain, which he narrowly won, occurred a single day after Rain's semi-final series against Last in the OSL, which Rain won. Rain's won WCS Asia and he could win the OSL. If he continues to post results in the near future, I don't think it will matter what MVP does. Because "bonjwa" isn't about being good, it's about being the only player on your level. If MVP versus Rain continues to be a nailbiter, MVP isn't a bonjwa. But who knows, they may never meet in a tournament again. Don't thing we should get too caught up with the term bonjwa. It was only created to describe one person. All the other 'bonjwas' were bestowed the title retrospectively. didnt it originally come from julyzerg or something It described Savior but it's really too late to get uptight about it, it's been applied to lots of people and there isn't much reason why it shouldn't be if the circumstances are right. Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:50 Dodgin wrote:
I don't think It's fair to say " Mvp crashed out of the OSL in the group stages " the games were bo1 and he went 1-2, single elimination best of five Mvp is a completely different monster, I believe someone posted the stats on his record in bo5's and bo7's and it was something like 85% set winrate.
not gonna comment on the bonjwa stuff, cause It's silly.
Consider that if the GSL semi finals were bo1's or even bo3's Rain would have advanced instead of Mvp, or that if the OSL Semi Finals were bo5 instead of bo7 Last would have 3-0'd Rain. Round robin is not "best of one". And you can't just subtract games from a series and say that another player would have won. But my point was at least related to what you've written at the bottom of your post. What if Rain versus MVP had been a best of seven? The answer is an emphatic "who knows?", right? As long as it's "who knows?" then the bonjwa people have a problem.
I still don't understand why the bonjwa crowd is in such a hurry to crown Mvp bonjwa.
I mean, bonjwa is not a medal of honor, it is a title. You're not a good player because you're named bonjwa, you're a bonjwa because you're a good player. Everyone already knows Mvp is a god, so why do we need to give him a completely arbitrary title to recognize that?
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