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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
Damn KESPA players are playing better than the GSL players. | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On October 14 2012 21:50 MasterOfPuppets wrote: Honestly, even though they're both my favourite players at the moment (and I've been a huge Mvp fan for a long time) I still think that it would be a bit ridiculous to call either of them a bonjwa. Maybe if Heart of the Swarm were to be delayed a year, and one of the two would keep slaughtering nerds left and right until the expansion's release, maybe then I would agree with the idea. Until then, Mvp is the best player in Wings of Liberty overall and both of them are some of the best players right now, but I can't comfortably call either of them a real Bonjwa. Maybe if HotS will last as long as WoL did until LotV comes out... I don't know, only time will tell. I agree. The game isn't finished and it won't be until LotV comes out and gets balanced enough. Unless MVP dominates HotS and LotV as well he'd only be known as a WoL Bonjwa. Congrats Rain, now go win OSL too. | ||
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Irre
United States646 Posts
On October 14 2012 21:44 lolmlg wrote: I'm not a big Bison fan or whatever, but I had a thought about this. A lot of people are trying to say that MVP will be the SC2 bonjwa if he wins the current GSL season, because he will have won five championships. Putting aside that it's an arbitrary number, bonjwa never had anything to do with numbers of championships. It was meant to describe a player that stood head and shoulders above the competition and dominated the game for a period of time. Nobody was comfortable calling Flash a bonjwa when he was constantly having a close series with Jaedong, because it cast doubt on the idea that he was dominant. Later on people called him "God" but Jaedong had to enter a brutal slump first. MVP crashed out of the OSL during the group stages. His GSL semi-final series against Rain, which he narrowly won, occurred a single day after Rain's semi-final series against Last in the OSL, which Rain won. Rain's won WCS Asia and he could win the OSL. If he continues to post results in the near future, I don't think it will matter what MVP does. Because "bonjwa" isn't about being good, it's about being the only player on your level. If MVP versus Rain continues to be a nailbiter, MVP isn't a bonjwa. But who knows, they may never meet in a tournament again. winning almost every single tournament in a scene where there is about 3-4x the number of major events per month, in a game that lets randoms take games off the best players regularly, isn't dominating the scene? What more would you have MVP do really? In the context of SC2, there is no doubt MVP is bonjwa material IF we are going to use that term in SC2. | ||
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power-overwhelming
Canada306 Posts
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styleworks79
United States127 Posts
On October 15 2012 01:21 power-overwhelming wrote: MVP is far from a bonjwa.. he's not even dominating. He is getting wins here and there. He dropped out of OSL, he didnt even get past group stage in a foreign tourney. His last GSL win was nowhere near domination when he cheese most of his games. If he wins his 5th GSL title, I don't think people would argue about MVP being the 1st bonjwa of SC2. At least, that is how I see it. | ||
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Limmet
Sweden57 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3751 Posts
On October 15 2012 01:25 styleworks79 wrote: If he wins his 5th GSL title, I don't think people would argue about MVP being the 1st bonjwa of SC2. At least, that is how I see it. You're missing the point. Being Bonjwa is not about winning titles - winning titles is only side effect. Being Bonjwa is being consistently, unarguably best player in the world, beating everyone in each matchup for a period of time of significant length - like half a year at least. He may lost a series or a set but that's it. Mvp was once storng when he won his first GSL title and GSL World Championship. But he failed at other GSL tournaments at the time and even fallen to Code A (he got 2nd in Code A behind Bomber!). Then there was post MLG Anaheim period but MMA was outplaying him then. So his MLG, third GSL title, BlizzCon and WCG was not enough. And now he is... what? One GSL title, one IEM and now a shot at another GSL. But there was a GSL in between the two (lost in Ro16 to TaeJa and viOLet). He lost in OSL Ro16 group stage to Flying and Parting. He lost in WCS South Korea to Polt and then resigned. He lost in WCG South Korea Ro16 to BaBy. At the end of 2011 Mvp was at least consistently good - loosing only to very best players or just winning. Now he is inconsistent even if still very good and so there is no Bonjwa title for him. Still - as for know - Mvp is the most accomplished player in the SC2. After all he won more premier tournaments than any other team (except for IM of course). | ||
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bsdaemon
618 Posts
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sparkk51
United States137 Posts
On October 15 2012 01:29 Limmet wrote: Vods? This. anyone? | ||
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Avicularia
540 Posts
On October 15 2012 01:47 bsdaemon wrote: i was hoping liquid hero will make it but i know rain is just too much. $24k! that's almost like a whole year of salary for some people. Or like 4 years for some :p | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
On October 15 2012 01:47 bsdaemon wrote: i was hoping liquid hero will make it but i know rain is just too much. $24k! that's almost like a whole year of salary for some people. Are you joking? You get more than that working at McDonalds in any western country. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On October 15 2012 02:02 MockHamill wrote: Are you joking? You get more than that working at McDonalds in any western country. Well, I am working for big international IT company in here and not even the lowest position - in fact it is 4th out of 10 possible 'ranks' and I am getting 12.700e per year. Before taxes. So yeah, that's almost two times more than I earn per year. And don't even want to know, how much McDonalds employees get here - around 7k-8k per year. | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
On October 15 2012 02:02 MockHamill wrote: Are you joking? You get more than that working at McDonalds in any western country. Sweden is rich. Some east european countries may not be like that. | ||
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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
On October 14 2012 22:49 MasterOfPuppets wrote: The difference being that Mvp is in neither of those two tournaments. ^^; Then again I'm sure he won't mind that much after he wins his 5th GSL title. MVP was in both WCS and OSL. | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + If he can keep posting results such as these of course. | ||
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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
On October 15 2012 03:36 Havik_ wrote: Rain will be the first Protoss Bonjwa + Show Spoiler + If he can keep posting results such as these of course. + Show Spoiler + If he can keep up results like that... OMFG both GSL and KeSPA pros are doomed :-P | ||
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
On October 15 2012 02:02 MockHamill wrote: Are you joking? You get more than that working at McDonalds in any western country. You dont know what youre talking about. | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
I think PvP is one of the best matchups to watch. For reals. It's fun to play, too. It's less hectic than ZvZ, and not as mind numbingly dull as TvT. | ||
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