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On October 12 2012 21:20 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 21:17 Surili wrote:
broodlords and infestors ruin this game... buff lair tech zerg and nerf hive tech zerg. Do something. Nah, they just need to make ghosts slightly better vs t3 zerg (not as good as pre snipe nerf of course). Sure, ghosts are great vs infestors with EMPs but it has such high risk since your ghosts have to be in the front line.
I am talking from the perspective of a Protoss player. I used to love watching TvZ and now i just don't, and the same is true of PvZ. I am not saying it is imbalanced, i am saying it is boring.
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United States97276 Posts
On October 12 2012 21:25 GumBa wrote:
Good day guys thx for the LR Shellshock!!! Love all of you <3
<3
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Australia54784 Posts
On October 12 2012 21:25 Savant.GL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote:
It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army. Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost. People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game.
a lot of people who do have a very good understanding of the game do say that, but yeah ;p don't want to get into too much debate. sad that gumi lost, he did make the crucial error with losing his army when he sniped the hive and greater spire
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
yeah, thanks for the LR 
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Austria24417 Posts
Thanks for the LRs as always. Now on to downloading kpop, play it and go ladder. HerO's 4gate robo in PvZ with warp prism is ridiculously fun. See y'all!
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On October 12 2012 21:28 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 21:25 Savant.GL wrote:On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote:
It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army. Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost. People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game. a lot of people who do have a very good understanding of the game do say that, but yeah ;p don't want to get into too much debate. sad that gumi lost, he did make the crucial error with losing his army when he sniped the hive and greater spire
It just bugs me that as soon as a terran loses everyone just screams that infestors are overpowered. It doesn't make any sense and a lot of diamond terrans just shout imbalanced to make up for the fact that they aren't playing very well
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On October 12 2012 21:31 Savant.GL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 21:28 opterown wrote:On October 12 2012 21:25 Savant.GL wrote:On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote:
It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army. Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost. People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game. a lot of people who do have a very good understanding of the game do say that, but yeah ;p don't want to get into too much debate. sad that gumi lost, he did make the crucial error with losing his army when he sniped the hive and greater spire It just bugs me that as soon as a terran loses everyone just screams that infestors are overpowered. It doesn't make any sense and a lot of diamond terrans just shout imbalanced to make up for the fact that they aren't playing very well
i don't think they're actually that overpowered, it's just that they're not very fun to watch haha
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On October 12 2012 21:31 Savant.GL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 21:28 opterown wrote:On October 12 2012 21:25 Savant.GL wrote:On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote:
It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army. Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost. People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game. a lot of people who do have a very good understanding of the game do say that, but yeah ;p don't want to get into too much debate. sad that gumi lost, he did make the crucial error with losing his army when he sniped the hive and greater spire It just bugs me that as soon as a terran loses everyone just screams that infestors are overpowered. It doesn't make any sense and a lot of diamond terrans just shout imbalanced to make up for the fact that they aren't playing very well
zerg imbalance in the late game in some extent is true if both players play perfectly zerg wins in late game, but this is countered from terran having easier time before late game
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Austria24417 Posts
On October 12 2012 21:31 Savant.GL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 21:28 opterown wrote:On October 12 2012 21:25 Savant.GL wrote:On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote:
It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army. Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost. People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game. a lot of people who do have a very good understanding of the game do say that, but yeah ;p don't want to get into too much debate. sad that gumi lost, he did make the crucial error with losing his army when he sniped the hive and greater spire It just bugs me that as soon as a terran loses everyone just screams that infestors are overpowered. It doesn't make any sense and a lot of diamond terrans just shout imbalanced to make up for the fact that they aren't playing very well
Actually I think everybody cries about zerg all the times, they're just busy watching the games and then all cry at once, that's why it seems like that.
But hey, I'm one of them, I too think zerg lategame is too strong.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
anyway guys, just letting you know i most likely won't be able to make any LR threads for the rest of the month, my apologies! (not even OSL/GSL finals zzz)
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Austria24417 Posts
On October 12 2012 21:37 opterown wrote:
anyway guys, just letting you know i most likely won't be able to make any LR threads for the rest of the month, my apologies! (not even OSL/GSL finals zzz)
Oh damn!
Everything is ruined.
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On October 12 2012 21:32 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 21:31 Savant.GL wrote:On October 12 2012 21:28 opterown wrote:On October 12 2012 21:25 Savant.GL wrote:On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote:
It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army. Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost. People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game. a lot of people who do have a very good understanding of the game do say that, but yeah ;p don't want to get into too much debate. sad that gumi lost, he did make the crucial error with losing his army when he sniped the hive and greater spire It just bugs me that as soon as a terran loses everyone just screams that infestors are overpowered. It doesn't make any sense and a lot of diamond terrans just shout imbalanced to make up for the fact that they aren't playing very well zerg imbalance in the late game in some extent is true if both players play perfectly zerg wins in late game, but this is countered from terran having easier time before late game
True. But most maps has been catering to late game. 3 bases is a given unless someone does an all-in. And even fourths are pretty easy to defend. Funny thing is, I think terrans actually have a slight advantage in the 'super' late game if they can turtle on 5 bases ala Metropolis.
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On October 12 2012 21:37 opterown wrote:
anyway guys, just letting you know i most likely won't be able to make any LR threads for the rest of the month, my apologies! (not even OSL/GSL finals zzz)
At your cap again? 
Thank you very much for all the work you always put into these threads!
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Asking again, was Leenock not there today or what? If he was there, any reason for not using him?
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On October 12 2012 21:43 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 21:37 opterown wrote:
anyway guys, just letting you know i most likely won't be able to make any LR threads for the rest of the month, my apologies! (not even OSL/GSL finals zzz) At your cap again? Thank you very much for all the work you always put into these threads!
not quite yet, but i will be soon, plus both my saturdays are occupied (the GSL/OSL finals) so T_T. i actually did the LR for GSTL finals last time while being capped haha (just followed the LR to know what happening)
i can still help with premaking threads, etc, but someone else can man them :D
thanks everyone
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On October 12 2012 21:39 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 21:32 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 21:31 Savant.GL wrote:On October 12 2012 21:28 opterown wrote:On October 12 2012 21:25 Savant.GL wrote:On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote:
It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army. Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost. People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game. a lot of people who do have a very good understanding of the game do say that, but yeah ;p don't want to get into too much debate. sad that gumi lost, he did make the crucial error with losing his army when he sniped the hive and greater spire It just bugs me that as soon as a terran loses everyone just screams that infestors are overpowered. It doesn't make any sense and a lot of diamond terrans just shout imbalanced to make up for the fact that they aren't playing very well zerg imbalance in the late game in some extent is true if both players play perfectly zerg wins in late game, but this is countered from terran having easier time before late game True. But most maps has been catering to late game. 3 bases is a given unless someone does an all-in. And even fourths are pretty easy to defend. Funny thing is, I think terrans actually have a slight advantage in the 'super' late game if they can turtle on 5 bases ala Metropolis.
terrans definitly have an advantage when mass raven thor viking with PFs are existent, but it almost never happens anyway
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Good job TSL! Especially Ragnarok!
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On October 12 2012 21:59 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 21:39 vthree wrote:On October 12 2012 21:32 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 12 2012 21:31 Savant.GL wrote:On October 12 2012 21:28 opterown wrote:On October 12 2012 21:25 Savant.GL wrote:On October 12 2012 21:22 Chill Penguin wrote:
It seems that if you don't have 4/5 ravens with HSM in your mech composition, it's almost impossible to deal with zergs endgame army. Seemed Like Gumiho made some critical errors, his army was out of position many times, he forgot siege tech and his composition wasn't ideal. I feel that symbol didn't play brilliantly but it wasn't like gumiho played masterfully. Gumiho made the biggest mistakes and therefore he lost. People saying "infestors are good" or "zerg is imba" just don't have a very good understanding of the game. a lot of people who do have a very good understanding of the game do say that, but yeah ;p don't want to get into too much debate. sad that gumi lost, he did make the crucial error with losing his army when he sniped the hive and greater spire It just bugs me that as soon as a terran loses everyone just screams that infestors are overpowered. It doesn't make any sense and a lot of diamond terrans just shout imbalanced to make up for the fact that they aren't playing very well zerg imbalance in the late game in some extent is true if both players play perfectly zerg wins in late game, but this is countered from terran having easier time before late game True. But most maps has been catering to late game. 3 bases is a given unless someone does an all-in. And even fourths are pretty easy to defend. Funny thing is, I think terrans actually have a slight advantage in the 'super' late game if they can turtle on 5 bases ala Metropolis. terrans definitly have an advantage when mass raven thor viking with PFs are existent, but it almost never happens anyway
Yes, because you need a pretty error free mid game to even have a chance to reach that stage. Plus terrans are so used to having to be the aggressors that it is hard to just make this adjustment for one map.
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