On October 10 2012 09:20 andaylin wrote: [quote] How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
The thing is the reason MMA was put in that group is because of his lackluster GSL performance throughout 2012. MMA was considered a Tier 3 player for this season while MKP was considered a Tier 2. It would have been 100% impossible for MKP, MVP, and Taeja to be in the same group so it doesn't matter that if MKP was in that group he would have got eliminated.
You realize all of that is completely irrelevant when the only point of discussion here is that MMA's group was 50x harder than MKP's group?
It is relevant because you said MKP's run was less impressive because if he got put in MMA's place he wouldn't have advanced. It was impossible for him to put into MMA's place because he has actually done half-way decent in GSL this year though.
What are you talking about? The only thing we are arguing here is whether or not MMA's group was easier/harder than MKP's group. Previous results are irrelevant. What matters is how they performed in their groups once they got there and how hard their groups were
You said: "Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group"
That is completely irrelevant because due to GSL seeding it would have been impossible for MKP to be in MMA's group because he is seeded higher.
I'm not even sure how to respond to this.... "would have been" OBVIOUSLY MKP couldn't have been seeded into the same exact group as MMA, and he WASN'T. But we are talking hypothetically here, not about what actually happened.
hypotheticals are only relevant if they are actually possible. If MKP and MMA had the same seed and MMA just got an unlucky draw then it would matter. The way it happened it doesn't matter at all.
On October 10 2012 09:20 andaylin wrote: [quote] How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out. Taeja/Mvp/Mana versus Curious/MC/Jaedong is in the former's favor but Mana drags that group down.
On October 10 2012 09:25 Walnuts wrote: [quote] How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
The thing is the reason MMA was put in that group is because of his lackluster GSL performance throughout 2012. MMA was considered a Tier 3 player for this season while MKP was considered a Tier 2. It would have been 100% impossible for MKP, MVP, and Taeja to be in the same group so it doesn't matter that if MKP was in that group he would have got eliminated.
You realize all of that is completely irrelevant when the only point of discussion here is that MMA's group was 50x harder than MKP's group?
It is relevant because you said MKP's run was less impressive because if he got put in MMA's place he wouldn't have advanced. It was impossible for him to put into MMA's place because he has actually done half-way decent in GSL this year though.
What are you talking about? The only thing we are arguing here is whether or not MMA's group was easier/harder than MKP's group. Previous results are irrelevant. What matters is how they performed in their groups once they got there and how hard their groups were
You said: "Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group"
That is completely irrelevant because due to GSL seeding it would have been impossible for MKP to be in MMA's group because he is seeded higher.
I'm not even sure how to respond to this.... "would have been" OBVIOUSLY MKP couldn't have been seeded into the same exact group as MMA, and he WASN'T. But we are talking hypothetically here, not about what actually happened.
hypotheticals are only relevant if they are actually possible. If MKP and MMA had the same seed and MMA just got an unlucky draw then it would matter. The way it happened it doesn't matter at all.
hypotheticals are only relevant... if they are actually possible...
On October 10 2012 09:25 Walnuts wrote: [quote] How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:49 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:47 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:46 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
On October 10 2012 10:11 Whatson wrote: lol I leave for half an hour, this thread has suddenly turned into a MMA vs MKP GSL debate...
I don't quite understand how MKP got dragged into Liquid vs SlayerS either.
I think I might have started it. I said that Slayers isn't in as terrible a position as most have been saying, and I mentioned that some other team's haven't had too much success in the GSL, either. My evidence included the fac t that MKP was the only Prime player to do well this season. + Show Spoiler +
On October 10 2012 09:25 Walnuts wrote: [quote] How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
On October 10 2012 09:25 Walnuts wrote: [quote] How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out. Taeja/Mvp/Mana versus Curious/MC/Jaedong is in the former's favor but Mana drags that group down.
On October 10 2012 09:27 opterown wrote: [quote] NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:49 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:47 opterown wrote: [quote] doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
On October 10 2012 10:11 Whatson wrote: lol I leave for half an hour, this thread has suddenly turned into a MMA vs MKP GSL debate...
I don't quite understand how MKP got dragged into Liquid vs SlayerS either.
I think I might have started it. I said that Slayers isn't in as terrible a position as most have been saying, and I mentioned that some other team's haven't had too much success in the GSL, either. My evidence included the fac t that MKP was the only Prime player to do well this season. + Show Spoiler +
WHAT HAVE I DONE?????????
I have finally begun to understand.. This is entertaining as hell though
On October 10 2012 09:27 opterown wrote: [quote] NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
MMA beat Mana pretty cleanly. MKP almost lost that series (due to his own mistakes) but nobody knew how good Jaedong actually was.
On October 10 2012 09:27 opterown wrote: [quote] NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
The thing is the reason MMA was put in that group is because of his lackluster GSL performance throughout 2012. MMA was considered a Tier 3 player for this season while MKP was considered a Tier 2. It would have been 100% impossible for MKP, MVP, and Taeja to be in the same group so it doesn't matter that if MKP was in that group he would have got eliminated.
You realize all of that is completely irrelevant when the only point of discussion here is that MMA's group was 50x harder than MKP's group?
It is relevant because you said MKP's run was less impressive because if he got put in MMA's place he wouldn't have advanced. It was impossible for him to put into MMA's place because he has actually done half-way decent in GSL this year though.
What are you talking about? The only thing we are arguing here is whether or not MMA's group was easier/harder than MKP's group. Previous results are irrelevant. What matters is how they performed in their groups once they got there and how hard their groups were
You said: "Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group"
That is completely irrelevant because due to GSL seeding it would have been impossible for MKP to be in MMA's group because he is seeded higher.
I'm not even sure how to respond to this.... "would have been" OBVIOUSLY MKP couldn't have been seeded into the same exact group as MMA, and he WASN'T. But we are talking hypothetically here, not about what actually happened.
hypotheticals are only relevant if they are actually possible. If MKP and MMA had the same seed and MMA just got an unlucky draw then it would matter. The way it happened it doesn't matter at all.
hypotheticals are only relevant... if they are actually possible...
By your reasoning, it would be completely "irrelevant" to argue with someone about whether or not MC would have beaten Seed in the last GSL final if he had stayed on 1-base. To replay the series is not "actually possible" but that in no way means that the hypothetical is not "Relevant"
On October 10 2012 09:27 opterown wrote: [quote] NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out. Taeja/Mvp/Mana versus Curious/MC/Jaedong is in the former's favor but Mana drags that group down.
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