The time has come for the Premier group matches of the IGN Pro Team League!
Group A Schedule: Liquid vs EG: September 11 SlayerS vs MVP: September 18 Liquid vs MVP: September 25 SlayerS vs EG: October 2 SlayerS vs Liquid: October 9 MVP vs EG: October 16
When: Tuesday, Oct 09 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
Format
Premier Division Group A is made up of four teams: Team Liquid, SlayerS, MVP, and Evil Geniuses. Group B contains LG-Incredible Miracle, StarTale, Prime, and TSL. Both groups will play round robin against each other team in their group. When group stages are over, the top two teams from each Group will play in a playoff for the $9,000 first prize!
SlayerS Alicia Brown Cella CoCa Genius Min Miya MMA Puzzle Ryung YugiOh Eve Dark KDY Arthur Miso
Team Liquid TaeJa Sea Zenio HerO TLO Ret Sheth NonY
The First Game of the IPTL Premier Division Group A is on Tuesday, Oct 09 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also rebroadcast repeatedly afterwards!)
HerO < Daybreak > Dark Taeja < Ohana > Dark Zenio < Antiga Shipyard > Dark Zenio < Cloud Kingdom > Brown Sheth < Metropolis > Brown TLO < Entombed Valley > Brown
I'm likin' the new TeamLiquid roster. Gone are the days of "Team Taeja". I've seen every one of those guys show good games in team/individual matches. What a group effort.
If TL wins their map score will be 12 wins and 10+X loses depending on how many games they drop today, and Slayers will have at best a map score of 10-14 (assuming they lose 4-5). TL also needs EG to win next week by a decent margin (5-3 or 5-2) to get second place. I wouldn't be surprised if TL opens with Taeja or Hero.
tl:dr TL must win this match by a large margin and hope EG wins next week to advance from the group. P.S If TL wins today EG will get top 2 in the group even if they lose next week vs MVP (so go TL!).
This match is huge. If Liquid wins by a good margin then they can still make it to the playoffs if EG beats MVP by 5-2 or better. It's a long shot but EG is tearing up this league so we'll see.
Tbh I can't favour zombie slayers vs most teams (Except hoseo) I think TL's 4 Koreans should be able to defeat zombie slayers unless ryung, mma, genius and alicia decide to really put it together or perhaps the return of coca from illness (Don't think puzzle can recover in time sadly)
I doubt SlayerS can win this even if they send their A-team. The Liquid Koreans are looking better and better, while SlayerS slowly declines further and further.
Liquid 5-1 SlayerS (Or if SlayerS gives it their all, Liquid 5-3 :p)
On October 10 2012 03:24 HotGlueGun wrote: I'd be very surprised if TL actually decides to throw out a foreigner in this match considering the importance of map score.
On October 10 2012 03:24 HotGlueGun wrote: I'd be very surprised if TL actually decides to throw out a foreigner in this match considering the importance of map score.
They only have 4 koreans...
And they played this match before Sea was an official member, according to the liquidpro write-up.
Nevertheless I'm sure HotGlueGun is predicting a Hero All-Kill which I wholeheartedly agree with.
Team Liquid got this easily. Heck I think using just Sheth, TLO, Ret, and maybe Nony will be able to take out Slayers. I have no clue what Jessica is doing now that Boxer is gone... I wonder if they're still together now that I think about it...
Edit: Why isn't SlayersEve on the list of players?
On October 10 2012 05:09 Talin wrote: Can't wait to watch some more Sea games (hopefully more than 1 =P)
According to TLPro he wasn't on the team when this was played... For TL having a chance to advance they have to win decisivly against Slayers and EG has to beat MVP. That would explain the choice to play HerO out early. I wouldn't be surprised if TaeJa will play after him. (assuming he doesn't all kill).
On October 10 2012 05:38 Popkiller wrote: I'll be surprised if we see anyone but the SlayerS B-teamers.
The unfortunate reality is the vast majority of Slayers are B teamers right now, and with puzzle sick and MMA slumping that might not change anytime soon
On October 10 2012 06:18 geokilla wrote: Team Liquid got this easily. Heck I think using just Sheth, TLO, Ret, and maybe Nony will be able to take out Slayers. I have no clue what Jessica is doing now that Boxer is gone... I wonder if they're still together now that I think about it...
SlayerS Arthur / Dark would all kill those 4 on any good day.
On October 10 2012 06:18 geokilla wrote: Team Liquid got this easily. Heck I think using just Sheth, TLO, Ret, and maybe Nony will be able to take out Slayers. I have no clue what Jessica is doing now that Boxer is gone... I wonder if they're still together now that I think about it...
Edit: Why isn't SlayersEve on the list of players?
Lol Nony? He still plays Starcraft? I thought he was like a manager or something now.
On October 10 2012 06:18 geokilla wrote: Team Liquid got this easily. Heck I think using just Sheth, TLO, Ret, and maybe Nony will be able to take out Slayers. I have no clue what Jessica is doing now that Boxer is gone... I wonder if they're still together now that I think about it...
Edit: Why isn't SlayersEve on the list of players?
On October 10 2012 08:02 atrox_ wrote: they just spoilt their own show?
Seems like it, I opened the stream and I saw a part of game 3. Won't spoil it to anyone who didn't see. They also announced a map and which player was coming out to play it later in the series :/
Could somebody who saw please PM me the spoiled results? Gotta go to bed and would be nice to know some results, need to know if I can go to bed happy or worried ^^
On October 10 2012 08:05 KadaverBB wrote: Could somebody who saw please PM me the spoiled results? Gotta go to bed and would be nice to know some results, need to know if I can go to bed happy or worried ^^
I PMed you. Glad someone got something out of it It's a free broadcast so I'm not gonna complain too much about it but it's a bit sad knowing how the first few games turned out when I've stayed up for this.. Oh well, at least I don't know the conclusion yet.
On October 10 2012 08:09 Trashman420 wrote: God bless the Twitch-chat for spoiling me. Need to remember to keep that thing turned off ;D;D;D;D
Rule 1 of watching Twitch is never watch the chat unless it's <100 viewers or subscriber only. Damn I've seen some vicious shit. It's like Youtube comments, it makes me sad
On October 10 2012 08:09 Trashman420 wrote: God bless the Twitch-chat for spoiling me. Need to remember to keep that thing turned off ;D;D;D;D
Rule 1 of watching Twitch is never watch the chat unless it's <100 viewers or subscriber only. Damn I've seen some vicious shit. It's like Youtube comments, it makes me sad
You think you've seen sad? Man, I was moderating desRows's chat when he started with the face-cam. I got scars.
On October 10 2012 08:09 Trashman420 wrote: God bless the Twitch-chat for spoiling me. Need to remember to keep that thing turned off ;D;D;D;D
Rule 1 of watching Twitch is never watch the chat unless it's <100 viewers or subscriber only. Damn I've seen some vicious shit. It's like Youtube comments, it makes me sad
You think you've seen sad? Man, I was moderating desRows's chat when he started with the face-cam. I got scars.
I hope that they offered you psychological and physical care when you came back home from that. Society really needs to take care of its heroes.
On October 10 2012 08:05 KadaverBB wrote: Could somebody who saw please PM me the spoiled results? Gotta go to bed and would be nice to know some results, need to know if I can go to bed happy or worried ^^
I PMed you. Glad someone got something out of it It's a free broadcast so I'm not gonna complain too much about it but it's a bit sad knowing how the first few games turned out when I've stayed up for this.. Oh well, at least I don't know the conclusion yet.
Hero's style feels so out-of-date now. Hero gets really big economic leads, but if you don't deal any damage to the actual army it feels like it doesn't matter much.
On October 10 2012 08:42 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote: Hahaha. PvZ is so awesome. The gameplay, the flow, the finesse... How did they make such a b-e-a-utiful matchup?
Meh I suppose it's good once you get past the 10 minute mark
On October 10 2012 08:43 PhoenixVoid wrote: HerO really seems to lose it once he reaches the late late game in PvZ, he just falls apart from composition.
Hero isn't alone though, pretty much every Protoss is struggling with late-game PvZ.
Honestly I don't understand the hate in this thread. The midgame between those two was pretty fantastic with respect to harassment/defense. I think they both played a great game, and that Dark is quickly becoming a player to be respected.
On October 10 2012 08:42 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote: Hahaha. PvZ is so awesome. The gameplay, the flow, the finesse... How did they make such a b-e-a-utiful matchup?
Meh I suppose it's good once you get past the 10 minute mark
On October 10 2012 08:41 Kznn wrote: this matchup is so sad :/
i agree that shit is so silly late game comes down to whether or not your mothership gets fungaled? lol
Yeah, that's the only thing I really hate in PvZ... You macro up hard to get to the lategame and then one engagement simply costs you the whole game. Frustrating to watch & play.
On October 10 2012 08:41 Kznn wrote: this matchup is so sad :/
i agree that shit is so silly late game comes down to whether or not your mothership gets fungaled? lol
Yeah, that's the only thing I really hate in PvZ... You macro up hard to get to the lategame and then one engagement simply costs you the whole game. Frustrating to watch & play.
What annoys me is zerg players constantly say abuse the mobility of Broodlord Infestor, but as a Terran player it looks impossible as broodlords although slow just fly over deadspace (unlike Terran mech where Mobility does lose you games). Also Infestors are pretty quick to move around and it looks like with Fungal it removes any chance to attack and get out before you got fungalled and lose everything.
I have honestly no idea what they can do to stop Broodlord Infestor being so powerful in HoTS, but I hope to god something changes. PvZ is horrible.
On October 10 2012 08:41 Kznn wrote: this matchup is so sad :/
i agree that shit is so silly late game comes down to whether or not your mothership gets fungaled? lol
Yeah, that's the only thing I really hate in PvZ... You macro up hard to get to the lategame and then one engagement simply costs you the whole game. Frustrating to watch & play.
What annoys me is zerg players constantly say abuse the mobility of Broodlord Infestor, but as a Terran player it looks impossible as broodlords although slow just fly over deadspace (unlike Terran mech where Mobility does lose you games). Also Infestors are pretty quick to move around and it looks like with Fungal it removes any chance to attack and get out before you got fungalled and lose everything.
I have honestly no idea what they can do to stop Broodlord Infestor being so powerful in HoTS, but I hope to god something changes.
Same here. From a Protoss AND Terran point of view. :/
On October 10 2012 08:41 Kznn wrote: this matchup is so sad :/
i agree that shit is so silly late game comes down to whether or not your mothership gets fungaled? lol
Yeah, that's the only thing I really hate in PvZ... You macro up hard to get to the lategame and then one engagement simply costs you the whole game. Frustrating to watch & play.
What annoys me is zerg players constantly say abuse the mobility of Broodlord Infestor, but as a Terran player it looks impossible as broodlords although slow just fly over deadspace (unlike Terran mech where Mobility does lose you games). Also Infestors are pretty quick to move around and it looks like with Fungal it removes any chance to attack and get out before you got fungalled and lose everything.
I have honestly no idea what they can do to stop Broodlord Infestor being so powerful in HoTS, but I hope to god something changes.
honestly they should just bring back guardians, the problem with broodlords is that broodlings block units from moving on the ground so your shit gets surrounded and you can't close on the BL's, also IT's block the path of your units, and of course fungal locks them in place.
It's just too much control, give them an attack like the guardian that doesn't spawn free units on the ground.
On October 10 2012 08:41 Kznn wrote: this matchup is so sad :/
i agree that shit is so silly late game comes down to whether or not your mothership gets fungaled? lol
Yeah, that's the only thing I really hate in PvZ... You macro up hard to get to the lategame and then one engagement simply costs you the whole game. Frustrating to watch & play.
What annoys me is zerg players constantly say abuse the mobility of Broodlord Infestor, but as a Terran player it looks impossible as broodlords although slow just fly over deadspace (unlike Terran mech where Mobility does lose you games). Also Infestors are pretty quick to move around and it looks like with Fungal it removes any chance to attack and get out before you got fungalled and lose everything.
I have honestly no idea what they can do to stop Broodlord Infestor being so powerful in HoTS, but I hope to god something changes.
It's really not that Terrans/Protosses don't try to abuse BL/infestor/corruptor's immobility issues, it's that you actually fucking can't when a competent Zerg will throw up walls of spines and spores everywhere. Especially on a map like Daybreak -.-
On October 10 2012 08:49 CosmicSpiral wrote: It is quite the yawn-including matchup. Would be better if they had the arbiter instead of the mothership.
On October 10 2012 08:47 MGCoach wrote: Honestly I don't understand the hate in this thread. The midgame between those two was pretty fantastic with respect to harassment/defense. I think they both played a great game, and that Dark is quickly becoming a player to be respected.
The problem is that if zerg gets up to his broodlord/infestor army, the entire game up until that point is irrelevant. It doesn't matter how many bases either player has or how much damage they've done, it will all come to down to a single vortex.
On October 10 2012 08:47 MGCoach wrote: Honestly I don't understand the hate in this thread. The midgame between those two was pretty fantastic with respect to harassment/defense. I think they both played a great game, and that Dark is quickly becoming a player to be respected.
Hero harrased for a long time, but dark defended it pretty good so he took some damage but not too much. Then hero just rolled over and died. And you wonder why people thought this was silly?
On October 10 2012 08:47 MGCoach wrote: Honestly I don't understand the hate in this thread. The midgame between those two was pretty fantastic with respect to harassment/defense. I think they both played a great game, and that Dark is quickly becoming a player to be respected.
The problem is that if zerg gets up to his broodlord/infestor army, the entire game up until that point is irrelevant. It doesn't matter how many bases either player has or how much damage they've done, it will all come to down to a single vortex.
It's really gotten to the point where you can skip to the 14 minute mark when Hive tech pops out, and you can play the game out from there.
On October 10 2012 08:41 Kznn wrote: this matchup is so sad :/
i agree that shit is so silly late game comes down to whether or not your mothership gets fungaled? lol
Yeah, that's the only thing I really hate in PvZ... You macro up hard to get to the lategame and then one engagement simply costs you the whole game. Frustrating to watch & play.
What annoys me is zerg players constantly say abuse the mobility of Broodlord Infestor, but as a Terran player it looks impossible as broodlords although slow just fly over deadspace (unlike Terran mech where Mobility does lose you games). Also Infestors are pretty quick to move around and it looks like with Fungal it removes any chance to attack and get out before you got fungalled and lose everything.
I have honestly no idea what they can do to stop Broodlord Infestor being so powerful in HoTS, but I hope to god something changes.
honestly they should just bring back guardians, the problem with broodlords is that broodlings block units from moving on the ground so your shit gets surrounded and you can't close on the BL's, also IT's block the path of your units, and of course fungal locks them in place.
It's just too much control, give them an attack like the guardian that doesn't spawn free units on the ground.
With the addition of Swarmhosts (more free units) I really hope they make a change like that. broodlords would still be strong, but not ridiculous.
Ah well, time to wait for Blizzard to feel happy with their newer units and take a look at WoL problems. These next few months are going to be super important for SC2 and super exciting.
On October 10 2012 08:54 Bagration wrote: Looks like I'm one of the few people who is actually happy that Dark won...Slayers fans are far and few these days, and for good reason.
On October 10 2012 08:54 Bagration wrote: Looks like I'm one of the few people who is actually happy that Dark won...Slayers fans are far and few these days, and for good reason.
I don't believe many people were unhappy he won. I think its just the way he won,.
On October 10 2012 08:41 Kznn wrote: this matchup is so sad :/
i agree that shit is so silly late game comes down to whether or not your mothership gets fungaled? lol
Yeah, that's the only thing I really hate in PvZ... You macro up hard to get to the lategame and then one engagement simply costs you the whole game. Frustrating to watch & play.
What annoys me is zerg players constantly say abuse the mobility of Broodlord Infestor, but as a Terran player it looks impossible as broodlords although slow just fly over deadspace (unlike Terran mech where Mobility does lose you games). Also Infestors are pretty quick to move around and it looks like with Fungal it removes any chance to attack and get out before you got fungalled and lose everything.
I have honestly no idea what they can do to stop Broodlord Infestor being so powerful in HoTS, but I hope to god something changes. PvZ is horrible.
Hopefully P will find a good way of working the Tempest in the mix. Although I have a bad feeling after seeing Dimaga grind his way forward with an even bigger wall of "free" units with todays composition + swarm host. And it's soooo slow.
On October 10 2012 08:54 Bagration wrote: Looks like I'm one of the few people who is actually happy that Dark won...Slayers fans are far and few these days, and for good reason.
I don't believe many people were unhappy he won. I think its just the way he won,.
That's Dark for you. His play just isn't impressive, and often he gets multi-tasked and harassed half to death (see his game vs Huk in the EG MCSL ace match on Entombed). But it seems like he understands how to win, and use every advantage, no matter how abusive, to his favor. Often times, it isn't pretty though...
On October 10 2012 09:00 Dodgin wrote: I really don't like free units for this game in general, especially not 1000 broodlings and 500 infested terrans at once in a big lategame battle.
Taeja should have made more Thors imo. Maybe it was just because he knew there were none but Dark was letting his corruptors stack a lot. Thors would have done a lot of dmg.
On October 10 2012 08:54 Bagration wrote: Looks like I'm one of the few people who is actually happy that Dark won...Slayers fans are far and few these days, and for good reason.
I don't believe many people were unhappy he won. I think its just the way he won,.
That's Dark for you. His play just isn't impressive, and often he gets multi-tasked and harassed half to death (see his game vs Huk in the EG MCSL ace match on Entombed). But it seems like he understands how to win, and use every advantage, no matter how abusive, to his favor. Often times, it isn't pretty though...
unimpressive? you don't remember his insane comeback against noblesse? ofc he won in the end with infestor/blord but in the mid game his staying power was amazing
On October 10 2012 09:13 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote: Dark is the zerg version of Flash. He wins, but it's so tedious and boring you want to take spoons to your eyes to ease the pain.
nah. It was impressive to see flash playing...In the other hand broodlord infestor is...meh
On October 10 2012 09:13 JJH777 wrote: Taeja should have made more Thors imo. Maybe it was just because he knew there were none but Dark was letting his corruptors stack a lot. Thors would have done a lot of dmg.
Thors are more of a 'well, there's no point in getting Tanks any more and I have all these idle Factories' thing than a 'these will win me the game' thing.
LOL guys remember when Zerg was said to be underpowered? Blizzard said "There's some stuff they haven't explored yet" Guess we figured out what that was.
So this Zenio game is the one they showed at the beginning of the broadcast, as well as announcing the Taeja game on Ohana. So I can't give any more spoilers now.
I got a lot of PMs before though. Jeez, you guys like your spoilers
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
On October 10 2012 09:15 Whatson wrote: LOL guys remember when Zerg was said to be underpowered? Blizzard said "There's some stuff they haven't explored yet" Guess we figured out what that was.
What you mean is maps were dramatically changed, zerg got dozens of buffs, and t/p got dozens of nerfs right? Zerg was grossly bad at the beginning of WoL. Sorry but revisionist history really bothers me.
On October 10 2012 09:15 Whatson wrote: LOL guys remember when Zerg was said to be underpowered? Blizzard said "There's some stuff they haven't explored yet" Guess we figured out what that was.
What you mean is maps were dramatically changed, zerg got dozens of buffs, and t/p got dozens of nerfs right? Sorry but zerg was grossly bad at the beginning of WoL. Revisionist history really bothers me.
Lol terran was the only one to get "dozens of nerfs"
Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
On October 10 2012 09:13 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote: Dark is the zerg version of Flash. He wins, but it's so tedious and boring you want to take spoons to your eyes to ease the pain.
According to that logic every Zerg is the zerg version of Flash
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
They aren't winning everything, which means that everyone gets to say "herp derp slayers so dead lulz." I can't believe how many "boxer left, the team is dead" comments i've seen.
On October 10 2012 09:13 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote: Dark is the zerg version of Flash. He wins, but it's so tedious and boring you want to take spoons to your eyes to ease the pain.
According to that logic every Zerg is the zerg version of Flash
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Please don't suggest bringing amulet back.. With protoss skill nowadays, the only balanced matchups would be the mirrors
On October 10 2012 09:15 AlternativeEgo wrote: Would ghosts do the trick with emp and snipe to cancel the infestors or are they too ineffective?
Ghosts are useless, infestors are way too big :/
Taeja answered to this in a recent interview. His main objection to ghosts was how zerg can easily tech switch to ultra and nullify ghosts usefulness significantly. But I like the argument that infestors are too large. If they were smaller and 3-4 ghosts worth of EMPs could eliminate at least half of the fungals, it might still be worth it. Right now you would need almost a ghost for every infestor and it would still be a positional fight against lings and broodlords.
The whole idea of making infestors smaller seems so practical. It doesn't nerf any of the spells, while making all AOE of both Protoss and Terran more potent against them, forcing Zerg to micro much more to keep them safe.
On October 10 2012 09:17 Vaftrudner wrote: So this Zenio game is the one they showed at the beginning of the broadcast, as well as announcing the Taeja game on Ohana. So I can't give any more spoilers now.
I got a lot of PMs before though. Jeez, you guys like your spoilers
New business idea: subscription for instant spoilers. KA-THING!!! $$$
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Christ PartinG would have a field day...
PartinG and Rain would be even stronger in PvT, while all Terrans will return to having 15-20 Ghosts in late game TvZ.
On October 10 2012 09:15 AlternativeEgo wrote: Would ghosts do the trick with emp and snipe to cancel the infestors or are they too ineffective?
Nah, nobody does that because an ultra switch = GG
It only takes 2-3 cloaked ghosts to emp all of the infestors...That isn't going to make you lose to an ultra switch
It doesn't matter, it takes like 3 fungals to guarantee victory in corruptor vs viking battles. Seeker is way more effective and is the perfect gas dump for the late game. Taeja has been neglecting getting extra starports for ravens in every TvZ I've seen in the last couple of weeks. Its just that he's destroying them so hard in the midgame that the zerg gets overwhelmed by viking numbers before the broodlord / corruptor / infestor count becomes "stupid". But he doesn't seem to have a plan "b" for when zerg just sits on his ass and gets critical mass.
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Christ PartinG would have a field day...
PartinG and Rain would be even stronger in PvT, while all Terrans will return to having 15-20 Ghosts in late game TvZ.
All terrans? Even when snipe was considered "OP" the only person I saw using them effectively was MVP.
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Christ PartinG would have a field day...
If they removed warp gates Amulet'd probably be fair, but if not every finals ever would be Bison vs Dishwasher toss :p
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Please don't suggest bringing amulet back.. With protoss skill nowadays, the only balanced matchups would be the mirrors
No offense, but I think you don`t quite remember the glorious EMP of old. I think that would balance out amulet quite well in the current meta honestly...
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
how are individual leagues relevant when we're talking about IPTL? He said "bl/infestor saves SlayerS", implying that bl/infestor has saved SlayerS in this series, which is a team league match. I said Slayers never needed saving, meaning they never needed saving in a team league situation. Individual results are irreleevant
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
I think every Slayers player lost in the ro32 of Code S in this season, and almost all of them have been defeated in Code A already. Genius and Ryung both lost last night.
Hoseo is definitely doing worse, though. No one in GSL, Jjakji knocked into the abyss of Code B.
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
They aren't winning everything, which means that everyone gets to say "herp derp slayers so dead lulz." I can't believe how many "boxer left, the team is dead" comments i've seen.
it's not only boxer, but MMA is not doing as well as he should or used to, ryung and genius aren't doing that great (both lost in code a yesterday), and coca/puzzle are out of the GSL. they got backtoback all killed in the GSTL, and are relying on their second-string upcomers like miso, dark, etc. the team isn't nearly what it used to be, with boxer/mma/ganzi/taeja/ryung/coca/puzzle
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Christ PartinG would have a field day...
PartinG and Rain would be even stronger in PvT, while all Terrans will return to having 15-20 Ghosts in late game TvZ.
All terrans? Even when snipe was considered "OP" the only person I saw using them effectively was MVP.
Not sure what terrans you were watching. That guy had it right, I remember tons of terrans using mass ghost.
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Please don't suggest bringing amulet back.. With protoss skill nowadays, the only balanced matchups would be the mirrors
No offense, but I think you don`t quite remember the glorious EMP of old. I think that would balance out amulet quite well in the current meta honestly...
For terran to ever to continue pushing after winning a battle in TvP, they would have to have enough energy on their ghosts, assuming they even have ghosts alive, to be able to combat the 10-15 high templar with storm that toss would immediately warp-in after losing the battle.
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Christ PartinG would have a field day...
PartinG and Rain would be even stronger in PvT, while all Terrans will return to having 15-20 Ghosts in late game TvZ.
All terrans? Even when snipe was considered "OP" the only person I saw using them effectively was MVP.
Not sure what terrans you were watching. That guy had it right, I remember tons of terrans using mass ghost.
lol like who, only other person I recall is MMA using it to clown around on Metropolis vs Stephano at IPL, and that was after the nerf I think.
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
They aren't winning everything, which means that everyone gets to say "herp derp slayers so dead lulz." I can't believe how many "boxer left, the team is dead" comments i've seen.
it's not only boxer, but MMA is not doing as well as he should or used to, ryung and genius aren't doing that great (both lost in code a yesterday), and coca/puzzle are out of the GSL. they got backtoback all killed in the GSTL, and are relying on their second-string upcomers like miso, dark, etc. the team isn't nearly what it used to be, with boxer/mma/ganzi/taeja/ryung/coca/puzzle
I'll just copy and paste what I said to the other guy who posed irrelevant information:
"how are individual leagues relevant when we're talking about IPTL? He said "bl/infestor saves SlayerS", implying that bl/infestor has saved SlayerS in this series, which is a team league match. I said Slayers never needed saving, meaning they never needed saving in a team league situation. Individual results are irreleevant"
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Please don't suggest bringing amulet back.. With protoss skill nowadays, the only balanced matchups would be the mirrors
No offense, but I think you don`t quite remember the glorious EMP of old. I think that would balance out amulet quite well in the current meta honestly...
For terran to ever to continue pushing after winning a battle in TvP, they would have to have enough energy on their ghosts, assuming they even have ghosts alive, to be able to combat the 10-15 high templar with storm that toss would immediately warp-in after losing the battle.
that's why we need orbital drop ghosts! drop-in EMPs and nukes
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Christ PartinG would have a field day...
PartinG and Rain would be even stronger in PvT, while all Terrans will return to having 15-20 Ghosts in late game TvZ.
All terrans? Even when snipe was considered "OP" the only person I saw using them effectively was MVP.
Not sure what terrans you were watching. That guy had it right, I remember tons of terrans using mass ghost.
lol like who, only other person I recall is MMA using it to clown around on Metropolis vs Stephano at IPL, and that was after the nerf I think.
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
They aren't winning everything, which means that everyone gets to say "herp derp slayers so dead lulz." I can't believe how many "boxer left, the team is dead" comments i've seen.
it's not only boxer, but MMA is not doing as well as he should or used to, ryung and genius aren't doing that great (both lost in code a yesterday), and coca/puzzle are out of the GSL. they got backtoback all killed in the GSTL, and are relying on their second-string upcomers like miso, dark, etc. the team isn't nearly what it used to be, with boxer/mma/ganzi/taeja/ryung/coca/puzzle
Everything you said is true, however, coca and puzzle both have pneumonia, which were probably slayers top 2 in the past months. Genius is rather overrated because of a miracle run in 2012 GSL 1, and Ryung has never been a championship contender. Yes, MMA is not doing as well as he was, but if not for the other circumstances, is wouldn't matter so much in leagues.
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
They aren't winning everything, which means that everyone gets to say "herp derp slayers so dead lulz." I can't believe how many "boxer left, the team is dead" comments i've seen.
it's not only boxer, but MMA is not doing as well as he should or used to, ryung and genius aren't doing that great (both lost in code a yesterday), and coca/puzzle are out of the GSL. they got backtoback all killed in the GSTL, and are relying on their second-string upcomers like miso, dark, etc. the team isn't nearly what it used to be, with boxer/mma/ganzi/taeja/ryung/coca/puzzle
I'll just copy and paste what I said to the other guy who posed irrelevant information:
"how are individual leagues relevant when we're talking about IPTL? He said "bl/infestor saves SlayerS", implying that bl/infestor has saved SlayerS in this series, which is a team league match. I said Slayers never needed saving, meaning they never needed saving in a team league situation. Individual results are irreleevant"
well, i was talking about how slayers isn't doing particularly well, which is more where this discussion is coming from, not this team league game in particular.
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Christ PartinG would have a field day...
PartinG and Rain would be even stronger in PvT, while all Terrans will return to having 15-20 Ghosts in late game TvZ.
All terrans? Even when snipe was considered "OP" the only person I saw using them effectively was MVP.
Not sure what terrans you were watching. That guy had it right, I remember tons of terrans using mass ghost.
lol like who, only other person I recall is MMA using it to clown around on Metropolis vs Stephano at IPL, and that was after the nerf I think.
Morrow and Thorzain just off the top of my head. I barely remember anything from that long ago, so for me to remember two probably represents a much larger number. I just remember in general it was a very common thing.
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Christ PartinG would have a field day...
PartinG and Rain would be even stronger in PvT, while all Terrans will return to having 15-20 Ghosts in late game TvZ.
All terrans? Even when snipe was considered "OP" the only person I saw using them effectively was MVP.
Not sure what terrans you were watching. That guy had it right, I remember tons of terrans using mass ghost.
lol like who, only other person I recall is MMA using it to clown around on Metropolis vs Stephano at IPL, and that was after the nerf I think.
He was using nukes, not snipe or emp
Yeah, that's true too. Btw your Slayers roster in your signature is quite outdated.
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Christ PartinG would have a field day...
PartinG and Rain would be even stronger in PvT, while all Terrans will return to having 15-20 Ghosts in late game TvZ.
All terrans? Even when snipe was considered "OP" the only person I saw using them effectively was MVP.
Not sure what terrans you were watching. That guy had it right, I remember tons of terrans using mass ghost.
lol like who, only other person I recall is MMA using it to clown around on Metropolis vs Stephano at IPL, and that was after the nerf I think.
Morrow and Thorzain just off the top of my head. I barely remember anything from that long ago, so for me to remember two probably represents a much larger number. I just remember in general it was a very common thing.
I should clarify then that the only terran using it to great effect was MVP.
MVP basically got ghosts nerfed, he even said it in an interview.
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Christ PartinG would have a field day...
PartinG and Rain would be even stronger in PvT, while all Terrans will return to having 15-20 Ghosts in late game TvZ.
All terrans? Even when snipe was considered "OP" the only person I saw using them effectively was MVP.
Not sure what terrans you were watching. That guy had it right, I remember tons of terrans using mass ghost.
lol like who, only other person I recall is MMA using it to clown around on Metropolis vs Stephano at IPL, and that was after the nerf I think.
Morrow and Thorzain just off the top of my head. I barely remember anything from that long ago, so for me to remember two probably represents a much larger number. I just remember in general it was a very common thing.
I should clarify then that the only terran using it to great effect was MVP.
Yea man I remember morrow pulling off some absurd looking wins with ghosts.
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Christ PartinG would have a field day...
PartinG and Rain would be even stronger in PvT, while all Terrans will return to having 15-20 Ghosts in late game TvZ.
All terrans? Even when snipe was considered "OP" the only person I saw using them effectively was MVP.
Not sure what terrans you were watching. That guy had it right, I remember tons of terrans using mass ghost.
lol like who, only other person I recall is MMA using it to clown around on Metropolis vs Stephano at IPL, and that was after the nerf I think.
He was using nukes, not snipe or emp
Yeah, that's true too. Btw your Slayers roster in your signature is quite outdated.
every player in his signature has either left the team, not showed up to any events, has left the slayers house or not in the GSL x.x
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
My point was merely that Slayers isn't just a zombie + Show Spoiler +
infested terran
team waiting to die, they are just not doing as well as in the past. Every team has its ups and downs, after all.
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Christ PartinG would have a field day...
PartinG and Rain would be even stronger in PvT, while all Terrans will return to having 15-20 Ghosts in late game TvZ.
All terrans? Even when snipe was considered "OP" the only person I saw using them effectively was MVP.
Not sure what terrans you were watching. That guy had it right, I remember tons of terrans using mass ghost.
lol like who, only other person I recall is MMA using it to clown around on Metropolis vs Stephano at IPL, and that was after the nerf I think.
He was using nukes, not snipe or emp
Yeah, that's true too. Btw your Slayers roster in your signature is quite outdated.
every player in his signature has either left the team, not showed up to any events, has left the slayers house or not in the GSL x.x
That was the team I cheered for, not Dark-Miso-Miya-KDY-Arthur :'(
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Christ PartinG would have a field day...
PartinG and Rain would be even stronger in PvT, while all Terrans will return to having 15-20 Ghosts in late game TvZ.
All terrans? Even when snipe was considered "OP" the only person I saw using them effectively was MVP.
Not sure what terrans you were watching. That guy had it right, I remember tons of terrans using mass ghost.
lol like who, only other person I recall is MMA using it to clown around on Metropolis vs Stephano at IPL, and that was after the nerf I think.
He was using nukes, not snipe or emp
Yeah, that's true too. Btw your Slayers roster in your signature is quite outdated.
every player in his signature has either left the team, not showed up to any events, has left the slayers house or not in the GSL x.x
That was the team I cheered for, not Dark-Miso-Miya-KDY-Arthur :'(
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
They aren't winning everything, which means that everyone gets to say "herp derp slayers so dead lulz." I can't believe how many "boxer left, the team is dead" comments i've seen.
it's not only boxer, but MMA is not doing as well as he should or used to, ryung and genius aren't doing that great (both lost in code a yesterday), and coca/puzzle are out of the GSL. they got backtoback all killed in the GSTL, and are relying on their second-string upcomers like miso, dark, etc. the team isn't nearly what it used to be, with boxer/mma/ganzi/taeja/ryung/coca/puzzle
Everything you said is true, however, coca and puzzle both have pneumonia, which were probably slayers top 2 in the past months. Genius is rather overrated because of a miracle run in 2012 GSL 1, and Ryung has never been a championship contender. Yes, MMA is not doing as well as he was, but if not for the other circumstances, is wouldn't matter so much in leagues.
lol at Genius being overrated. He absolutely dominated everyone he faced on his run to the finals. He would have won too if he didn't choke so horribly. Idk how he fell off so much but his run was not a miracle. He looked clearly better than everyone he played. He didn't all-in his way to the finals or anything like that.
On October 10 2012 09:36 Noocta wrote: I'm pretty sure Liquid can win this now that Dark is out. In the new SlayerS roster, only Genius is a real threat.
Well keep in mind that the remaining liquid players aren't too strong. I would favor SlayerS in this position.
On October 10 2012 09:20 nokz88 wrote: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we brought back Snipe, EMP, and amulet... Those looked OP yes, but it was when people weren't as good as today.
Terrans and Protosses would have SOMETHING against this bullshit composition
Christ PartinG would have a field day...
PartinG and Rain would be even stronger in PvT, while all Terrans will return to having 15-20 Ghosts in late game TvZ.
All terrans? Even when snipe was considered "OP" the only person I saw using them effectively was MVP.
Not sure what terrans you were watching. That guy had it right, I remember tons of terrans using mass ghost.
lol like who, only other person I recall is MMA using it to clown around on Metropolis vs Stephano at IPL, and that was after the nerf I think.
He was using nukes, not snipe or emp
Yeah, that's true too. Btw your Slayers roster in your signature is quite outdated.
every player in his signature has either left the team, not showed up to any events, has left the slayers house or not in the GSL x.x
That was the team I cheered for, not Dark-Miso-Miya-KDY-Arthur :'(
I like Miya. He's got personality. Arthur is solid, though I honestly don't know much about him personality-wise. Dark's play isn't that impressive, but he's gotten some solid wins.
On October 10 2012 09:36 Noocta wrote: I'm pretty sure Liquid can win this now that Dark is out. In the new SlayerS roster, only Genius is a real threat.
Well keep in mind that the remaining liquid players aren't too strong. I would favor SlayerS in this position.
Obviously, but I'm more keen in Ret or Sheth winning against Miya, Arthur , KDY and all than against MMA / Ryung / Alicia etc..
On October 10 2012 09:22 Whatson wrote: [quote] Christ PartinG would have a field day...
PartinG and Rain would be even stronger in PvT, while all Terrans will return to having 15-20 Ghosts in late game TvZ.
All terrans? Even when snipe was considered "OP" the only person I saw using them effectively was MVP.
Not sure what terrans you were watching. That guy had it right, I remember tons of terrans using mass ghost.
lol like who, only other person I recall is MMA using it to clown around on Metropolis vs Stephano at IPL, and that was after the nerf I think.
He was using nukes, not snipe or emp
Yeah, that's true too. Btw your Slayers roster in your signature is quite outdated.
every player in his signature has either left the team, not showed up to any events, has left the slayers house or not in the GSL x.x
That was the team I cheered for, not Dark-Miso-Miya-KDY-Arthur :'(
I like Miya. He's got personality. Arthur is solid, though I honestly don't know much about him personality-wise. Dark's play isn't that impressive, but he's gotten some solid wins.
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
They aren't winning everything, which means that everyone gets to say "herp derp slayers so dead lulz." I can't believe how many "boxer left, the team is dead" comments i've seen.
it's not only boxer, but MMA is not doing as well as he should or used to, ryung and genius aren't doing that great (both lost in code a yesterday), and coca/puzzle are out of the GSL. they got backtoback all killed in the GSTL, and are relying on their second-string upcomers like miso, dark, etc. the team isn't nearly what it used to be, with boxer/mma/ganzi/taeja/ryung/coca/puzzle
I'll just copy and paste what I said to the other guy who posed irrelevant information:
"how are individual leagues relevant when we're talking about IPTL? He said "bl/infestor saves SlayerS", implying that bl/infestor has saved SlayerS in this series, which is a team league match. I said Slayers never needed saving, meaning they never needed saving in a team league situation. Individual results are irreleevant"
well, i was talking about how slayers isn't doing particularly well, which is more where this discussion is coming from, not this team league game in particular.
If you were referring to individual results when you originally said "not doing particularly well" then you obviously were not able to interpret what we were talking about. Individual results are absolutely NOT where this discussion is coming from.
"Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears." This was clearly referring to the team league match at hand, seeing as how this comment was made when Dark began to turn things around against TaeJa with blord/infestor during THIS team league match.
On October 10 2012 09:36 Noocta wrote: I'm pretty sure Liquid can win this now that Dark is out. In the new SlayerS roster, only Genius is a real threat.
mmm don't doubt brown's PvZ. If Sea was in the lineup i think liquid would be okay, but without another solid terran or protoss, liquid looks to still be in trouble =/
On October 10 2012 09:24 PhoenixVoid wrote: [quote]
PartinG and Rain would be even stronger in PvT, while all Terrans will return to having 15-20 Ghosts in late game TvZ.
All terrans? Even when snipe was considered "OP" the only person I saw using them effectively was MVP.
Not sure what terrans you were watching. That guy had it right, I remember tons of terrans using mass ghost.
lol like who, only other person I recall is MMA using it to clown around on Metropolis vs Stephano at IPL, and that was after the nerf I think.
He was using nukes, not snipe or emp
Yeah, that's true too. Btw your Slayers roster in your signature is quite outdated.
every player in his signature has either left the team, not showed up to any events, has left the slayers house or not in the GSL x.x
That was the team I cheered for, not Dark-Miso-Miya-KDY-Arthur :'(
I like Miya. He's got personality. Arthur is solid, though I honestly don't know much about him personality-wise. Dark's play isn't that impressive, but he's gotten some solid wins.
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
They aren't winning everything, which means that everyone gets to say "herp derp slayers so dead lulz." I can't believe how many "boxer left, the team is dead" comments i've seen.
it's not only boxer, but MMA is not doing as well as he should or used to, ryung and genius aren't doing that great (both lost in code a yesterday), and coca/puzzle are out of the GSL. they got backtoback all killed in the GSTL, and are relying on their second-string upcomers like miso, dark, etc. the team isn't nearly what it used to be, with boxer/mma/ganzi/taeja/ryung/coca/puzzle
Everything you said is true, however, coca and puzzle both have pneumonia, which were probably slayers top 2 in the past months. Genius is rather overrated because of a miracle run in 2012 GSL 1, and Ryung has never been a championship contender. Yes, MMA is not doing as well as he was, but if not for the other circumstances, is wouldn't matter so much in leagues.
lol at Genius being overrated. He absolutely dominated everyone he faced on his run to the finals. He would have won too if he didn't choke so horribly. Idk how he fell off so much but his run was not a miracle. He looked clearly better than everyone he played. He didn't all-in his way to the finals or anything like that.
Completely agree. Genius looked monstrous in his run to the finals. He completely decimated alive with his late game PvT and even dismantled him with cheese too in the RO4. He even dismantled DRG on the way to the finals too
On October 10 2012 09:24 andaylin wrote: [quote] All terrans? Even when snipe was considered "OP" the only person I saw using them effectively was MVP.
Not sure what terrans you were watching. That guy had it right, I remember tons of terrans using mass ghost.
lol like who, only other person I recall is MMA using it to clown around on Metropolis vs Stephano at IPL, and that was after the nerf I think.
He was using nukes, not snipe or emp
Yeah, that's true too. Btw your Slayers roster in your signature is quite outdated.
every player in his signature has either left the team, not showed up to any events, has left the slayers house or not in the GSL x.x
That was the team I cheered for, not Dark-Miso-Miya-KDY-Arthur :'(
I like Miya. He's got personality. Arthur is solid, though I honestly don't know much about him personality-wise. Dark's play isn't that impressive, but he's gotten some solid wins.
Miso and KDY....uh
what is miya's personality? haha
Gollum?
No, that's Arthur. Dude is like 4'1. He should crawl around and mutter to himself, it would be great for psyching out other teams.
On October 10 2012 09:24 andaylin wrote: [quote] All terrans? Even when snipe was considered "OP" the only person I saw using them effectively was MVP.
Not sure what terrans you were watching. That guy had it right, I remember tons of terrans using mass ghost.
lol like who, only other person I recall is MMA using it to clown around on Metropolis vs Stephano at IPL, and that was after the nerf I think.
He was using nukes, not snipe or emp
Yeah, that's true too. Btw your Slayers roster in your signature is quite outdated.
every player in his signature has either left the team, not showed up to any events, has left the slayers house or not in the GSL x.x
That was the team I cheered for, not Dark-Miso-Miya-KDY-Arthur :'(
I like Miya. He's got personality. Arthur is solid, though I honestly don't know much about him personality-wise. Dark's play isn't that impressive, but he's gotten some solid wins.
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
They aren't winning everything, which means that everyone gets to say "herp derp slayers so dead lulz." I can't believe how many "boxer left, the team is dead" comments i've seen.
it's not only boxer, but MMA is not doing as well as he should or used to, ryung and genius aren't doing that great (both lost in code a yesterday), and coca/puzzle are out of the GSL. they got backtoback all killed in the GSTL, and are relying on their second-string upcomers like miso, dark, etc. the team isn't nearly what it used to be, with boxer/mma/ganzi/taeja/ryung/coca/puzzle
Everything you said is true, however, coca and puzzle both have pneumonia, which were probably slayers top 2 in the past months. Genius is rather overrated because of a miracle run in 2012 GSL 1, and Ryung has never been a championship contender. Yes, MMA is not doing as well as he was, but if not for the other circumstances, is wouldn't matter so much in leagues.
lol at Genius being overrated. He absolutely dominated everyone he faced on his run to the finals. He would have won too if he didn't choke so horribly. Idk how he fell off so much but his run was not a miracle. He looked clearly better than everyone he played. He didn't all-in his way to the finals or anything like that.
Completely agree. Genius looked monstrous in his run to the finals. He completely decimated alive with his late game PvT and even dismantled him with cheese too in the RO4. He even dismantled DRG on the way to the finals too
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
They aren't winning everything, which means that everyone gets to say "herp derp slayers so dead lulz." I can't believe how many "boxer left, the team is dead" comments i've seen.
it's not only boxer, but MMA is not doing as well as he should or used to, ryung and genius aren't doing that great (both lost in code a yesterday), and coca/puzzle are out of the GSL. they got backtoback all killed in the GSTL, and are relying on their second-string upcomers like miso, dark, etc. the team isn't nearly what it used to be, with boxer/mma/ganzi/taeja/ryung/coca/puzzle
Everything you said is true, however, coca and puzzle both have pneumonia, which were probably slayers top 2 in the past months. Genius is rather overrated because of a miracle run in 2012 GSL 1, and Ryung has never been a championship contender. Yes, MMA is not doing as well as he was, but if not for the other circumstances, is wouldn't matter so much in leagues.
lol at Genius being overrated. He absolutely dominated everyone he faced on his run to the finals. He would have won too if he didn't choke so horribly. Idk how he fell off so much but his run was not a miracle. He looked clearly better than everyone he played. He didn't all-in his way to the finals or anything like that.
Completely agree. Genius looked monstrous in his run to the finals. He completely decimated alive with his late game PvT and even dismantled him with cheese too in the RO4. He even dismantled DRG on the way to the finals too
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
Well clearly the only option here is to go Fahrenheit 451 on everyone's asses. I have dibs on the kerosene hose.
On October 10 2012 09:13 opterown wrote: [quote] not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
MMA has gone down ever since SKT1 took away his coach Ryu Won.
Stars got Ryu Won, SKT took Boxer. Hell, KT even took Clide.
On October 10 2012 09:13 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
MMA has gone down ever since SKT1 took away his coach Ryu Won.
On October 10 2012 09:13 opterown wrote: [quote] not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
MMA has gone down ever since SKT1 took away his coach Ryu Won.
ryu left of his own accord before being taken up by woongjin
Genius is pretty hard to rate, because he's been a "good but not great" for almost his entire career, but somehow played quite well for one season. Whether that was luck or just a sudden burst of concentration and real skill is pretty debatable. But right now? He's back to being just 'good.'
On October 10 2012 09:54 geokilla wrote: Wow looks like my prediction was way off, on how TL's foreigners would crush Slayers B team... Already crushed the Koreans. GG.
At least wait to see the coming results before you say that. :O
Edit:
On October 10 2012 09:54 Waxangel wrote: Genius is pretty hard to rate, because he's been a "good but not great" for almost his entire career, but somehow played quite well for one season. Whether that was luck or just a sudden burst of concentration and real skill is pretty debatable. But right now? He's back to being just 'good.'
As much as I would love to see Genius do well again and have this not be true, I have to agree.
On October 10 2012 09:40 Dodgin wrote: I forgot Alicia existed, where the hell has he been? Not played for Slayers in team leagues either for a while I think.
He got second place in 3 foreign tournaments during the summer this year, now he's kinda off the map.
On October 10 2012 09:54 Waxangel wrote: Genius is pretty hard to rate, because he's been a "good but not great" for almost his entire career, but somehow played quite well for one season. Whether that was luck or just a sudden burst of concentration and real skill is pretty debatable. But right now? He's back to being just 'good.'
I think Genius is like the 15th best Protoss in Korea, if that's " good ".
On October 10 2012 09:54 Waxangel wrote: Genius is pretty hard to rate, because he's been a "good but not great" for almost his entire career, but somehow played quite well for one season. Whether that was luck or just a sudden burst of concentration and real skill is pretty debatable. But right now? He's back to being just 'good.'
I'm on the opinion Genius is lacking motivation to play good. He's back on his " I'm doing well enough "
I have no idea where he is GSL wise tho. oO I need to check that
On October 10 2012 09:54 Waxangel wrote: Genius is pretty hard to rate, because he's been a "good but not great" for almost his entire career, but somehow played quite well for one season. Whether that was luck or just a sudden burst of concentration and real skill is pretty debatable. But right now? He's back to being just 'good.'
I'm on the opinion Genius is lacking motivation to play good. He's back on his " I'm doing well enough "
I have no idea where he is GSL wise tho. oO I need to check that
On October 10 2012 09:13 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
The thing is the reason MMA was put in that group is because of his lackluster GSL performance throughout 2012. MMA was considered a Tier 3 player for this season while MKP was considered a Tier 2. It would have been 100% impossible for MKP, MVP, and Taeja to be in the same group so it doesn't matter that if MKP was in that group he would have got eliminated.
On October 10 2012 09:13 opterown wrote: [quote] not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
it's tough to make that argument because we don't know who MMA would have faced in the Ro16.
On October 10 2012 09:54 Waxangel wrote: Genius is pretty hard to rate, because he's been a "good but not great" for almost his entire career, but somehow played quite well for one season. Whether that was luck or just a sudden burst of concentration and real skill is pretty debatable. But right now? He's back to being just 'good.'
I'm on the opinion Genius is lacking motivation to play good. He's back on his " I'm doing well enough "
I have no idea where he is GSL wise tho. oO I need to check that
He lost to Bbyong last night in Code A Round 2.
Barely. He really threw that last game away, forgetting charge and overmaking stalkers. But I guess stalker heavy armies is Genius's style
On October 10 2012 09:13 opterown wrote: [quote] not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
The thing is the reason MMA was put in that group is because of his lackluster GSL performance throughout 2012. MMA was considered a Tier 3 player for this season while MKP was considered a Tier 2. It would have been 100% impossible for MKP, MVP, and Taeja to be in the same group so it doesn't matter that if MKP was in that group he would have got eliminated.
You realize all of that is completely irrelevant when the only point of discussion here is that MMA's group was 50x harder than MKP's group?
On October 10 2012 09:17 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
On October 10 2012 09:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: Welp, BL/Infestor/Corruptor saves SlayerS it appears.
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
The thing is the reason MMA was put in that group is because of his lackluster GSL performance throughout 2012. MMA was considered a Tier 3 player for this season while MKP was considered a Tier 2. It would have been 100% impossible for MKP, MVP, and Taeja to be in the same group so it doesn't matter that if MKP was in that group he would have got eliminated.
You realize all of that is completely irrelevant when the only point of discussion here is that MMA's group was 50x harder than MKP's group?
It is relevant because you said MKP's run was less impressive because if he got put in MMA's place he wouldn't have advanced. It was impossible for him to put into MMA's place because he has actually done half-way decent in GSL this year though.
On October 10 2012 10:02 Dodgin wrote: MMA was just really unlucky Mvp decided to finally stop losing to him in GSL, I was hoping for an MMA win this season originally.
On October 10 2012 09:13 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
slayers never needed saving lolz
not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
The thing is the reason MMA was put in that group is because of his lackluster GSL performance throughout 2012. MMA was considered a Tier 3 player for this season while MKP was considered a Tier 2. It would have been 100% impossible for MKP, MVP, and Taeja to be in the same group so it doesn't matter that if MKP was in that group he would have got eliminated.
You realize all of that is completely irrelevant when the only point of discussion here is that MMA's group was 50x harder than MKP's group?
It is relevant because you said MKP's run was less impressive because if he got put in MMA's place he wouldn't have advanced. It was impossible for him to put into MMA's place because he has actually done half-way decent in GSL this year though.
What are you talking about? The only thing we are arguing here is whether or not MMA's group was easier/harder than MKP's group. Previous results are irrelevant. What matters is how they performed in their groups once they got there and how hard their groups were
On October 10 2012 09:13 opterown wrote: [quote] not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
On October 10 2012 09:54 geokilla wrote: Wow looks like my prediction was way off, on how TL's foreigners would crush Slayers B team... Already crushed the Koreans. GG.
At least wait to see the coming results before you say that. :O
On October 10 2012 09:13 opterown wrote: [quote] not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
The thing is the reason MMA was put in that group is because of his lackluster GSL performance throughout 2012. MMA was considered a Tier 3 player for this season while MKP was considered a Tier 2. It would have been 100% impossible for MKP, MVP, and Taeja to be in the same group so it doesn't matter that if MKP was in that group he would have got eliminated.
You realize all of that is completely irrelevant when the only point of discussion here is that MMA's group was 50x harder than MKP's group?
It is relevant because you said MKP's run was less impressive because if he got put in MMA's place he wouldn't have advanced. It was impossible for him to put into MMA's place because he has actually done half-way decent in GSL this year though.
What are you talking about? The only thing we are arguing here is whether or not MMA's group was easier/harder than MKP's group. Previous results are irrelevant. What matters is how they performed in their groups once they got there and how hard their groups were
that's what you're arguing about, seems like people are arguing different things here. mkp did better this gsl, that's it.
On October 10 2012 09:13 opterown wrote: [quote] not doing particularly well lately tbh
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
The thing is the reason MMA was put in that group is because of his lackluster GSL performance throughout 2012. MMA was considered a Tier 3 player for this season while MKP was considered a Tier 2. It would have been 100% impossible for MKP, MVP, and Taeja to be in the same group so it doesn't matter that if MKP was in that group he would have got eliminated.
You realize all of that is completely irrelevant when the only point of discussion here is that MMA's group was 50x harder than MKP's group?
It is relevant because you said MKP's run was less impressive because if he got put in MMA's place he wouldn't have advanced. It was impossible for him to put into MMA's place because he has actually done half-way decent in GSL this year though.
What are you talking about? The only thing we are arguing here is whether or not MMA's group was easier/harder than MKP's group. Previous results are irrelevant. What matters is how they performed in their groups once they got there and how hard their groups were
You said: "Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group"
That is completely irrelevant because due to GSL seeding it would have been impossible for MKP to be in MMA's group because he is seeded higher.
On October 10 2012 09:17 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
On October 10 2012 09:20 andaylin wrote: [quote] How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
On October 10 2012 09:17 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
On October 10 2012 09:25 Walnuts wrote: [quote] How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
On October 10 2012 09:20 andaylin wrote: [quote] How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:49 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:47 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:46 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:27 opterown wrote: [quote] NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
On October 10 2012 09:25 Walnuts wrote: [quote] How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:49 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:47 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:46 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
would probably be pretty even, MKP gets all them "Heart" votes haha.
On October 10 2012 09:17 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
they were all-killed by younghwa, but who hasn't been all-killed by younghwa? They beat MVP 5-4 in the IPTL. They lost to EG in the IPTL. They beat EG in the EGMCSL. They are atm 4-0 in EGMCSL. They were in the finals of the most recent GSTL. Maybe compared to your standards, that's not doing particularly well but plenty would disagree with that
How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
The thing is the reason MMA was put in that group is because of his lackluster GSL performance throughout 2012. MMA was considered a Tier 3 player for this season while MKP was considered a Tier 2. It would have been 100% impossible for MKP, MVP, and Taeja to be in the same group so it doesn't matter that if MKP was in that group he would have got eliminated.
You realize all of that is completely irrelevant when the only point of discussion here is that MMA's group was 50x harder than MKP's group?
It is relevant because you said MKP's run was less impressive because if he got put in MMA's place he wouldn't have advanced. It was impossible for him to put into MMA's place because he has actually done half-way decent in GSL this year though.
What are you talking about? The only thing we are arguing here is whether or not MMA's group was easier/harder than MKP's group. Previous results are irrelevant. What matters is how they performed in their groups once they got there and how hard their groups were
You said: "Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group"
That is completely irrelevant because due to GSL seeding it would have been impossible for MKP to be in MMA's group because he is seeded higher.
I'm not even sure how to respond to this.... "would have been" OBVIOUSLY MKP couldn't have been seeded into the same exact group as MMA, and he WASN'T. But we are talking hypothetically here, not about what actually happened.
On October 10 2012 09:25 Walnuts wrote: [quote] How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:49 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:47 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:46 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
On October 10 2012 09:20 andaylin wrote: [quote] How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
The thing is the reason MMA was put in that group is because of his lackluster GSL performance throughout 2012. MMA was considered a Tier 3 player for this season while MKP was considered a Tier 2. It would have been 100% impossible for MKP, MVP, and Taeja to be in the same group so it doesn't matter that if MKP was in that group he would have got eliminated.
You realize all of that is completely irrelevant when the only point of discussion here is that MMA's group was 50x harder than MKP's group?
It is relevant because you said MKP's run was less impressive because if he got put in MMA's place he wouldn't have advanced. It was impossible for him to put into MMA's place because he has actually done half-way decent in GSL this year though.
What are you talking about? The only thing we are arguing here is whether or not MMA's group was easier/harder than MKP's group. Previous results are irrelevant. What matters is how they performed in their groups once they got there and how hard their groups were
You said: "Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group"
That is completely irrelevant because due to GSL seeding it would have been impossible for MKP to be in MMA's group because he is seeded higher.
I'm not even sure how to respond to this.... "would have been" OBVIOUSLY MKP couldn't have been seeded into the same exact group as MMA, and he WASN'T. But we are talking hypothetically here, not about what actually happened.
hypotheticals are only relevant if they are actually possible. If MKP and MMA had the same seed and MMA just got an unlucky draw then it would matter. The way it happened it doesn't matter at all.
On October 10 2012 09:20 andaylin wrote: [quote] How about individual leagues bro.
How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out. Taeja/Mvp/Mana versus Curious/MC/Jaedong is in the former's favor but Mana drags that group down.
On October 10 2012 09:25 Walnuts wrote: [quote] How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
The thing is the reason MMA was put in that group is because of his lackluster GSL performance throughout 2012. MMA was considered a Tier 3 player for this season while MKP was considered a Tier 2. It would have been 100% impossible for MKP, MVP, and Taeja to be in the same group so it doesn't matter that if MKP was in that group he would have got eliminated.
You realize all of that is completely irrelevant when the only point of discussion here is that MMA's group was 50x harder than MKP's group?
It is relevant because you said MKP's run was less impressive because if he got put in MMA's place he wouldn't have advanced. It was impossible for him to put into MMA's place because he has actually done half-way decent in GSL this year though.
What are you talking about? The only thing we are arguing here is whether or not MMA's group was easier/harder than MKP's group. Previous results are irrelevant. What matters is how they performed in their groups once they got there and how hard their groups were
You said: "Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group"
That is completely irrelevant because due to GSL seeding it would have been impossible for MKP to be in MMA's group because he is seeded higher.
I'm not even sure how to respond to this.... "would have been" OBVIOUSLY MKP couldn't have been seeded into the same exact group as MMA, and he WASN'T. But we are talking hypothetically here, not about what actually happened.
hypotheticals are only relevant if they are actually possible. If MKP and MMA had the same seed and MMA just got an unlucky draw then it would matter. The way it happened it doesn't matter at all.
hypotheticals are only relevant... if they are actually possible...
On October 10 2012 09:25 Walnuts wrote: [quote] How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:49 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:47 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:46 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
On October 10 2012 10:11 Whatson wrote: lol I leave for half an hour, this thread has suddenly turned into a MMA vs MKP GSL debate...
I don't quite understand how MKP got dragged into Liquid vs SlayerS either.
I think I might have started it. I said that Slayers isn't in as terrible a position as most have been saying, and I mentioned that some other team's haven't had too much success in the GSL, either. My evidence included the fac t that MKP was the only Prime player to do well this season. + Show Spoiler +
On October 10 2012 09:25 Walnuts wrote: [quote] How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
On October 10 2012 09:25 Walnuts wrote: [quote] How about NSHoseo? No one in the GSL. Prime? MKP made RO8 Gsl. MVP? DRG made RO8 OSL. The only teams that really look strong are ST and IM. However, it is true that Slayers isn't doing incerdibly well right now. I'll give you that.
NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out. Taeja/Mvp/Mana versus Curious/MC/Jaedong is in the former's favor but Mana drags that group down.
On October 10 2012 09:27 opterown wrote: [quote] NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:49 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:47 opterown wrote: [quote] doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
On October 10 2012 10:11 Whatson wrote: lol I leave for half an hour, this thread has suddenly turned into a MMA vs MKP GSL debate...
I don't quite understand how MKP got dragged into Liquid vs SlayerS either.
I think I might have started it. I said that Slayers isn't in as terrible a position as most have been saying, and I mentioned that some other team's haven't had too much success in the GSL, either. My evidence included the fac t that MKP was the only Prime player to do well this season. + Show Spoiler +
WHAT HAVE I DONE?????????
I have finally begun to understand.. This is entertaining as hell though
On October 10 2012 09:27 opterown wrote: [quote] NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
MMA beat Mana pretty cleanly. MKP almost lost that series (due to his own mistakes) but nobody knew how good Jaedong actually was.
On October 10 2012 09:27 opterown wrote: [quote] NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
The thing is the reason MMA was put in that group is because of his lackluster GSL performance throughout 2012. MMA was considered a Tier 3 player for this season while MKP was considered a Tier 2. It would have been 100% impossible for MKP, MVP, and Taeja to be in the same group so it doesn't matter that if MKP was in that group he would have got eliminated.
You realize all of that is completely irrelevant when the only point of discussion here is that MMA's group was 50x harder than MKP's group?
It is relevant because you said MKP's run was less impressive because if he got put in MMA's place he wouldn't have advanced. It was impossible for him to put into MMA's place because he has actually done half-way decent in GSL this year though.
What are you talking about? The only thing we are arguing here is whether or not MMA's group was easier/harder than MKP's group. Previous results are irrelevant. What matters is how they performed in their groups once they got there and how hard their groups were
You said: "Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group"
That is completely irrelevant because due to GSL seeding it would have been impossible for MKP to be in MMA's group because he is seeded higher.
I'm not even sure how to respond to this.... "would have been" OBVIOUSLY MKP couldn't have been seeded into the same exact group as MMA, and he WASN'T. But we are talking hypothetically here, not about what actually happened.
hypotheticals are only relevant if they are actually possible. If MKP and MMA had the same seed and MMA just got an unlucky draw then it would matter. The way it happened it doesn't matter at all.
hypotheticals are only relevant... if they are actually possible...
By your reasoning, it would be completely "irrelevant" to argue with someone about whether or not MC would have beaten Seed in the last GSL final if he had stayed on 1-base. To replay the series is not "actually possible" but that in no way means that the hypothetical is not "Relevant"
On October 10 2012 09:27 opterown wrote: [quote] NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out. Taeja/Mvp/Mana versus Curious/MC/Jaedong is in the former's favor but Mana drags that group down.
On October 10 2012 09:27 opterown wrote: [quote] NSH is the only gom team doing worse than slayers imo haha prime? creator won WCS, MKP ro8 is better than MMA ro32 MVP is a bit on the down too, with their star slumping
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
Oh you, comparing Jaedong to Mana. Also, you should probably look at Jaedong's games in the RO32 before you call him a free win, not that you should ever call Jaedong a free win in the first place.
On October 10 2012 09:36 Noocta wrote: I'm pretty sure Liquid can win this now that Dark is out. In the new SlayerS roster, only Genius is a real threat.
Ouch Liquid, that was not expected, especially having Dark take out Liquid's aces. Maybe we expected too much from TaeJa and HerO, especially because HerO is struggling with PvZ and Ohana is a weird map for Terrans.
On October 10 2012 09:46 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:49 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
Wow, really simple play from Brown and Liquid are out.
That's a poor performance from Liquid. Really showing a lack of strength in depth when Taeja and Hero can't win games. Dark and Brown aren't exactly SlayerS' A team. Liquid are meant to be one of if not the premier foreign based team, and if they are relying on now 4 Koreans to win games - and if they can't win games - they're going to be challenged for that title.
On October 10 2012 10:22 geokilla wrote: Lol this thread was more entertaining than the game.... Drones up to 90 drones only to get killed by one push.
On October 10 2012 09:36 Noocta wrote: I'm pretty sure Liquid can win this now that Dark is out. In the new SlayerS roster, only Genius is a real threat.
:-/
Dark looks by far the strongest from these new guys, unlike Arthur or Miso...
Genius is slumping again imo.
Dark on the other hand would be even SlayerS A-team material judging from all his results this month.
On October 10 2012 09:46 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:49 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Sure dropping games left and right. Don't know how much you keep up but TaeJa has a MLG, Dreamhack, and ASUS championship under his belt right now, as well as being in the RO4 in the GSL
On October 10 2012 09:47 opterown wrote: [quote] doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote: [quote] also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
On October 10 2012 09:47 opterown wrote: [quote] doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote: [quote] also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Sure dropping games left and right. Don't know how much you keep up but TaeJa has a MLG, Dreamhack, and ASUS championship under his belt right now, as well as being in the RO4 in the GSL
On October 10 2012 09:46 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
Oh you, comparing Jaedong to Mana. Also, you should probably look at Jaedong's games in the RO32 before you call him a free win, not that you should ever call Jaedong a free win in the first place.
Yeah mana, only one of the only foreigners to advance out of a group with bomber, keen, hyun, and jjakji and NOT get knocked out immediately after being seeded. If jaedong is so amazing as you claim why was he knocked out immediately by a relative no-name protoss?
On October 10 2012 09:49 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
better players are the one that win tournaments, not the ones that can win a certain series. At this point, with his momentum, Taeja would probably beat MKP.
On October 10 2012 09:47 opterown wrote: [quote] doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
Oh you, comparing Jaedong to Mana. Also, you should probably look at Jaedong's games in the RO32 before you call him a free win, not that you should ever call Jaedong a free win in the first place.
Yeah mana, only one of the only foreigners to advance out of a group with bomber, keen, hyun, and jjakji and NOT get knocked out immediately after being seeded. If jaedong is so amazing as you claim why was he knocked out immediately by a relative no-name protoss?
On October 10 2012 09:49 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
Oh you, comparing Jaedong to Mana. Also, you should probably look at Jaedong's games in the RO32 before you call him a free win, not that you should ever call Jaedong a free win in the first place.
Yeah mana, only one of the only foreigners to advance out of a group with bomber, keen, hyun, and jjakji and NOT get knocked out immediately after being seeded. If jaedong is so amazing as you claim why was he knocked out immediately by a relative no-name protoss?
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote: [quote] also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote: [quote] looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
better players are the one that win tournaments, not the ones that can win a certain series. At this point, with his momentum, Taeja would probably beat MKP.
not arguing about momentum or who's winning more, but saying that mkp would have stood a significant chance of making it out of mma's ro32 group.
On October 10 2012 09:49 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Sure dropping games left and right. Don't know how much you keep up but TaeJa has a MLG, Dreamhack, and ASUS championship under his belt right now, as well as being in the RO4 in the GSL
On October 10 2012 09:47 opterown wrote: [quote] doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
Oh you, comparing Jaedong to Mana. Also, you should probably look at Jaedong's games in the RO32 before you call him a free win, not that you should ever call Jaedong a free win in the first place.
Yeah mana, only one of the only foreigners to advance out of a group with bomber, keen, hyun, and jjakji and NOT get knocked out immediately after being seeded. If jaedong is so amazing as you claim why was he knocked out immediately by a relative no-name protoss?
Look at you continuing to badmouth Jaedong while not watching his games. So silly of you.
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote: [quote] also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote: [quote] looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Sure dropping games left and right. Don't know how much you keep up but TaeJa has a MLG, Dreamhack, and ASUS championship under his belt right now, as well as being in the RO4 in the GSL
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote: [quote]
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Sure dropping games left and right. Don't know how much you keep up but TaeJa has a MLG, Dreamhack, and ASUS championship under his belt right now, as well as being in the RO4 in the GSL
On October 10 2012 09:49 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote: [quote] looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote: [quote] is fun
[quote] well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Sure dropping games left and right. Don't know how much you keep up but TaeJa has a MLG, Dreamhack, and ASUS championship under his belt right now, as well as being in the RO4 in the GSL
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote: [quote] also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote: [quote] looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
On October 10 2012 09:49 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
Oh you, comparing Jaedong to Mana. Also, you should probably look at Jaedong's games in the RO32 before you call him a free win, not that you should ever call Jaedong a free win in the first place.
Yeah mana, only one of the only foreigners to advance out of a group with bomber, keen, hyun, and jjakji and NOT get knocked out immediately after being seeded. If jaedong is so amazing as you claim why was he knocked out immediately by a relative no-name protoss?
Look at you continuing to badmouth Jaedong while not watching his games. So silly of you.
So silly of you to ignore the fact he got 2-0'd by Finale, a no-name protoss. I'm not badmouthing him, I'm just not stupidly biased like you are and can face the facts
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote: [quote] looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote: [quote] is fun
[quote] well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Sure dropping games left and right. Don't know how much you keep up but TaeJa has a MLG, Dreamhack, and ASUS championship under his belt right now, as well as being in the RO4 in the GSL
Arena, championship, the domination he showed regardless of namesake was ridiculous
That's great, an arena isn't a championship.
not a top tier lineup of people too imo, a few good korean protoss.
Yup, it had the weakest arena lineup of the year and his dh and asus wins had poor competition too cause very few top krs go to euro tourneys and it's mainly the ones on foreign teams.
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote: [quote] also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote: [quote] looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
Huh so you don't want a reddit thread poll cause it would be biased, but want a poll on team liquid for liquid taeja and think that won't be biased?
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote: [quote] also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote: [quote] looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
On October 10 2012 10:10 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Sure dropping games left and right. Don't know how much you keep up but TaeJa has a MLG, Dreamhack, and ASUS championship under his belt right now, as well as being in the RO4 in the GSL
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote: [quote] also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote: [quote] looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
Poll: WHO WOULD WIN MKP VS TAEJA BO7 GSL MAPS?
MARINEKING PRIME (35)
65%
LIQUID TAEJA (19)
35%
54 total votes
Your vote: WHO WOULD WIN MKP VS TAEJA BO7 GSL MAPS?
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote: [quote]
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
if you so wish, you can do it.
A poll to see who would win: taeja or mkp? Right now, considering taeja is playing in the ro4, that poll is so irrelevant and lopsided that people wouldn't bother to vote
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote: [quote] also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
Oh you, comparing Jaedong to Mana. Also, you should probably look at Jaedong's games in the RO32 before you call him a free win, not that you should ever call Jaedong a free win in the first place.
Yeah mana, only one of the only foreigners to advance out of a group with bomber, keen, hyun, and jjakji and NOT get knocked out immediately after being seeded. If jaedong is so amazing as you claim why was he knocked out immediately by a relative no-name protoss?
Look at you continuing to badmouth Jaedong while not watching his games. So silly of you.
So silly of you to ignore the fact he got 2-0'd by Finale, a no-name protoss. I'm not badmouthing him, I'm just not stupidly biased like you are and can face the facts
Please stop this until you watch his RO32 games. Also Finale beat Parting yesterday I believe.
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
Oh you, comparing Jaedong to Mana. Also, you should probably look at Jaedong's games in the RO32 before you call him a free win, not that you should ever call Jaedong a free win in the first place.
Yeah mana, only one of the only foreigners to advance out of a group with bomber, keen, hyun, and jjakji and NOT get knocked out immediately after being seeded. If jaedong is so amazing as you claim why was he knocked out immediately by a relative no-name protoss?
Look at you continuing to badmouth Jaedong while not watching his games. So silly of you.
So silly of you to ignore the fact he got 2-0'd by Finale, a no-name protoss. I'm not badmouthing him, I'm just not stupidly biased like you are and can face the facts
Please stop this until you watch his RO32 games. Also Finale beat Parting yesterday I believe.
I think that was Vampire who coin flipped his way to beating Parting yesterday.
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
Oh you, comparing Jaedong to Mana. Also, you should probably look at Jaedong's games in the RO32 before you call him a free win, not that you should ever call Jaedong a free win in the first place.
Yeah mana, only one of the only foreigners to advance out of a group with bomber, keen, hyun, and jjakji and NOT get knocked out immediately after being seeded. If jaedong is so amazing as you claim why was he knocked out immediately by a relative no-name protoss?
Look at you continuing to badmouth Jaedong while not watching his games. So silly of you.
So silly of you to ignore the fact he got 2-0'd by Finale, a no-name protoss. I'm not badmouthing him, I'm just not stupidly biased like you are and can face the facts
Please stop this until you watch his RO32 games. Also Finale beat Parting yesterday I believe.
On October 10 2012 10:00 CosmicSpiral wrote: [quote]
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
Oh you, comparing Jaedong to Mana. Also, you should probably look at Jaedong's games in the RO32 before you call him a free win, not that you should ever call Jaedong a free win in the first place.
Yeah mana, only one of the only foreigners to advance out of a group with bomber, keen, hyun, and jjakji and NOT get knocked out immediately after being seeded. If jaedong is so amazing as you claim why was he knocked out immediately by a relative no-name protoss?
Look at you continuing to badmouth Jaedong while not watching his games. So silly of you.
So silly of you to ignore the fact he got 2-0'd by Finale, a no-name protoss. I'm not badmouthing him, I'm just not stupidly biased like you are and can face the facts
Please stop this until you watch his RO32 games. Also Finale beat Parting yesterday I believe.
I think that was Vampire who coin flipped his way to beating Parting yesterday.
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote: [quote]
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
Poll: WHO WOULD WIN MKP VS TAEJA BO7 GSL MAPS?
MARINEKING PRIME (35)
65%
LIQUID TAEJA (19)
35%
54 total votes
Your vote: WHO WOULD WIN MKP VS TAEJA BO7 GSL MAPS?
this is why I said "with a sufficient pool of participants", not with 4 mkp fanboys who have no idea who they're talking about. In a poll with at least 200 people randomly chosen, taeja would win by a landslide
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote: [quote] looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote: [quote] is fun
[quote] well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
Poll: WHO WOULD WIN MKP VS TAEJA BO7 GSL MAPS?
MARINEKING PRIME (35)
65%
LIQUID TAEJA (19)
35%
54 total votes
Your vote: WHO WOULD WIN MKP VS TAEJA BO7 GSL MAPS?
this is why I said "with a sufficient pool of participants", not with 4 mkp fanboys who have no idea who they're talking about. In a poll with at least 200 people randomly chosen, taeja would win by a landslide
post it in the Code S semi-finals thread then ;o lots of people will be reading that tonight.
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote: [quote] looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote: [quote] is fun
[quote] well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
Poll: WHO WOULD WIN MKP VS TAEJA BO7 GSL MAPS?
MARINEKING PRIME (35)
65%
LIQUID TAEJA (19)
35%
54 total votes
Your vote: WHO WOULD WIN MKP VS TAEJA BO7 GSL MAPS?
this is why I said "with a sufficient pool of participants", not with 4 mkp fanboys who have no idea who they're talking about. In a poll with at least 200 people randomly chosen, taeja would win by a landslide
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote: [quote] looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote: [quote] is fun
[quote] well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
Poll: WHO WOULD WIN MKP VS TAEJA BO7 GSL MAPS?
MARINEKING PRIME (35)
65%
LIQUID TAEJA (19)
35%
54 total votes
Your vote: WHO WOULD WIN MKP VS TAEJA BO7 GSL MAPS?
this is why I said "with a sufficient pool of participants", not with 4 mkp fanboys who have no idea who they're talking about. In a poll with at least 200 people randomly chosen, taeja would win by a landslide
Probably, but that doesn't mean Taeja would actually win in a landslide.
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote: [quote] also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote: [quote] looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
MKP is far from a top level TvT, and far from his best shape imo
Mvp, TaeJa, MMA, Bomber, Polt, Alive, probably LasT would be all favored.
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
Oh you, comparing Jaedong to Mana. Also, you should probably look at Jaedong's games in the RO32 before you call him a free win, not that you should ever call Jaedong a free win in the first place.
Yeah mana, only one of the only foreigners to advance out of a group with bomber, keen, hyun, and jjakji and NOT get knocked out immediately after being seeded. If jaedong is so amazing as you claim why was he knocked out immediately by a relative no-name protoss?
Look at you continuing to badmouth Jaedong while not watching his games. So silly of you.
So silly of you to ignore the fact he got 2-0'd by Finale, a no-name protoss. I'm not badmouthing him, I'm just not stupidly biased like you are and can face the facts
Please stop this until you watch his RO32 games. Also Finale beat Parting yesterday I believe.
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote: [quote]
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
MKP is far from a top level TvT, and far from his best shape imo
Mvp, TaeJa, MMA, Bomber, Polt, Alive, probably LasT would be all favored.
wtf. dude, mkp has in excess of 80% TvT this year, and has a winning record again every single terran this year except for Mvp.
On October 10 2012 10:10 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
Poll: WHO WOULD WIN MKP VS TAEJA BO7 GSL MAPS?
MARINEKING PRIME (35)
65%
LIQUID TAEJA (19)
35%
54 total votes
Your vote: WHO WOULD WIN MKP VS TAEJA BO7 GSL MAPS?
this is why I said "with a sufficient pool of participants", not with 4 mkp fanboys who have no idea who they're talking about. In a poll with at least 200 people randomly chosen, taeja would win by a landslide
post it in the Code S semi-finals thread then ;o lots of people will be reading that tonight.
just did, would've been ideal to wait forthe actual games to start
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote: [quote] looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote: [quote] is fun
[quote] well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
MKP is far from a top level TvT, and far from his best shape imo
Mvp, TaeJa, MMA, Bomber, Polt, Alive, probably LasT would be all favored.
wtf. dude, mkp has in excess of 80% TvT this year, and has a winning record again every single terran this year except for Mvp.
You realize results from "this year" are irrelevant when "this year" is about to end? Progamers change a lot in 8 months, taeja arguably one who has changed the most
On October 10 2012 10:10 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
MKP is far from a top level TvT, and far from his best shape imo
Mvp, TaeJa, MMA, Bomber, Polt, Alive, probably LasT would be all favored.
wtf. dude, mkp has in excess of 80% TvT this year, and has a winning record again every single terran this year except for Mvp.
You realize results from "this year" are irrelevant when "this year" is about to end? Progamers change a lot in 8 months, taeja arguably one who has changed the most
even in the last 3 months marineking has the best tvt record, lol. did better than all the other dudes he listed except for Mvp in TvT lately.
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote: [quote] looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote: [quote] is fun
[quote] well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
MKP is far from a top level TvT, and far from his best shape imo
Mvp, TaeJa, MMA, Bomber, Polt, Alive, probably LasT would be all favored.
wtf. dude, mkp has in excess of 80% TvT this year, and has a winning record again every single terran this year except for Mvp.
He is 0-2 against TheBest hahahaha. Stick that in your craw!
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote: [quote]
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
MKP is far from a top level TvT, and far from his best shape imo
Mvp, TaeJa, MMA, Bomber, Polt, Alive, probably LasT would be all favored.
Did you just say Polt would be favoured against MKP, when MKP is currently on a 7-0 streak against polt?
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote: [quote]
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
MKP is far from a top level TvT, and far from his best shape imo
Mvp, TaeJa, MMA, Bomber, Polt, Alive, probably LasT would be all favored.
I'm saying this as a huge MMA fan, but there is no way that you can put MMA up there, not with how he went 6-0 to Punisher, DreamerTT, and Noblesse.
On October 10 2012 10:10 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
MKP is far from a top level TvT, and far from his best shape imo
Mvp, TaeJa, MMA, Bomber, Polt, Alive, probably LasT would be all favored.
wtf. dude, mkp has in excess of 80% TvT this year, and has a winning record again every single terran this year except for Mvp.
He is 0-2 against TheBest hahahaha. Stick that in your craw!
actually, that was bboongbboong playing under MKP IEM account, wasn' it? feel free to correct me though
On October 10 2012 10:12 opterown wrote: [quote] actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
[quote] not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
MKP is far from a top level TvT, and far from his best shape imo
Mvp, TaeJa, MMA, Bomber, Polt, Alive, probably LasT would be all favored.
wtf. dude, mkp has in excess of 80% TvT this year, and has a winning record again every single terran this year except for Mvp.
You realize results from "this year" are irrelevant when "this year" is about to end? Progamers change a lot in 8 months, taeja arguably one who has changed the most
even in the last 3 months marineking has the best tvt record, lol. did better than all the other dudes he listed except for Mvp in TvT lately.
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote: [quote]
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
MKP is far from a top level TvT, and far from his best shape imo
Mvp, TaeJa, MMA, Bomber, Polt, Alive, probably LasT would be all favored.
Perhaps do some research before pulling names out of nowhere. I liked the random addition of LasT though, really topped it off.
On October 10 2012 10:18 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
MKP is far from a top level TvT, and far from his best shape imo
Mvp, TaeJa, MMA, Bomber, Polt, Alive, probably LasT would be all favored.
wtf. dude, mkp has in excess of 80% TvT this year, and has a winning record again every single terran this year except for Mvp.
You realize results from "this year" are irrelevant when "this year" is about to end? Progamers change a lot in 8 months, taeja arguably one who has changed the most
even in the last 3 months marineking has the best tvt record, lol. did better than all the other dudes he listed except for Mvp in TvT lately.
On October 10 2012 10:18 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
i really wish we could make a poll about who would win in a best of 7. And a poll with a sufficient pool of participants. I guarantee you taeja would be greatly favored, maybe unless you posted it on reddit since they are all mkp fans
MKP is far from a top level TvT, and far from his best shape imo
Mvp, TaeJa, MMA, Bomber, Polt, Alive, probably LasT would be all favored.
wtf. dude, mkp has in excess of 80% TvT this year, and has a winning record again every single terran this year except for Mvp.
You realize results from "this year" are irrelevant when "this year" is about to end? Progamers change a lot in 8 months, taeja arguably one who has changed the most
even in the last 3 months marineking has the best tvt record, lol. did better than all the other dudes he listed except for Mvp in TvT lately.
lol wow at stating that taeja would completely crush marineking then backing your statement up by posting the elo page when taeja's tvt elo is only slightly higher than mkps.
On October 10 2012 06:16 .Wraath wrote: Dark has been tearing it up lately, I wouldnt be surprised if he beats HerO, and a couple others after until Taeja stops him
Still, Nazgul made the right call as far as who he sent out. If they had won this 5-4 it would have been heartbreaking because it wouldn't be enough. They had to go for it like they did and it's just a shame it didn't work out this time.
I think Taeja has a lot on his mind with Code S, and others are focussing on other events. Since this is their B team, Slayers players can try their hearts out for IPTL.
That doesn't mean that Liquid threw the game or should have lost, but I understand why they did.
ouch, Liquid got stomped. With Taeja out so early it was gonna be almost impossible for them to win from there, their foreign hasn't been able to step it up yet in IPL, and Slayers new generation have began to fill the gaping holes in their team.
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