On October 10 2012 09:46 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:49 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Sure dropping games left and right. Don't know how much you keep up but TaeJa has a MLG, Dreamhack, and ASUS championship under his belt right now, as well as being in the RO4 in the GSL
On October 10 2012 09:47 opterown wrote: [quote] doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote: [quote] also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
On October 10 2012 09:47 opterown wrote: [quote] doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote: [quote] also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Sure dropping games left and right. Don't know how much you keep up but TaeJa has a MLG, Dreamhack, and ASUS championship under his belt right now, as well as being in the RO4 in the GSL
On October 10 2012 09:46 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
MMA was in a group with TaeJa, Mana, and MVP, two of whom are currently in the RO4 and poised to take this GSL. MKP was in a group with Curious, JD, and MC. He lost to Curious, then beat JD and MC 2-1. Jaedong's play has been wholly uninspiring. And MC just got demolished by alive 2-0 in the Ro32 Code A. Not exactly contextually correct to say that "MKP's ro8 is better than MMA ro32" seeing as how MKP would've been demolished in MMA's group
doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
Oh you, comparing Jaedong to Mana. Also, you should probably look at Jaedong's games in the RO32 before you call him a free win, not that you should ever call Jaedong a free win in the first place.
Yeah mana, only one of the only foreigners to advance out of a group with bomber, keen, hyun, and jjakji and NOT get knocked out immediately after being seeded. If jaedong is so amazing as you claim why was he knocked out immediately by a relative no-name protoss?
On October 10 2012 09:49 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:58 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
better players are the one that win tournaments, not the ones that can win a certain series. At this point, with his momentum, Taeja would probably beat MKP.
On October 10 2012 09:47 opterown wrote: [quote] doesn't matter, ro8 > ro32 in my book
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
Oh you, comparing Jaedong to Mana. Also, you should probably look at Jaedong's games in the RO32 before you call him a free win, not that you should ever call Jaedong a free win in the first place.
Yeah mana, only one of the only foreigners to advance out of a group with bomber, keen, hyun, and jjakji and NOT get knocked out immediately after being seeded. If jaedong is so amazing as you claim why was he knocked out immediately by a relative no-name protoss?
On October 10 2012 09:49 MasterKang wrote: [quote]
lol well clearly your book doesn't mind taking things out of context
also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
MMA's group had Mana in it.
Yes and he crushed Mana 2-0, your point?
I understand that you using hyperbole to make a point, but it would have been sufficient to say that MKP's Ro32 group was easier than MMA's Round of 32 group (which judging purely from matchups would be true). However, MMA essentially got a free win in that group while MKP barely made it out.
MMA beat Mana to stay in the group. MKP beat Jaedong. Both players immediately dropped down to Code B. If by your definition, mana is a "Free win", then it's pretty safe to say jaedong was a "Free win" as well
Oh you, comparing Jaedong to Mana. Also, you should probably look at Jaedong's games in the RO32 before you call him a free win, not that you should ever call Jaedong a free win in the first place.
Yeah mana, only one of the only foreigners to advance out of a group with bomber, keen, hyun, and jjakji and NOT get knocked out immediately after being seeded. If jaedong is so amazing as you claim why was he knocked out immediately by a relative no-name protoss?
On October 10 2012 09:50 opterown wrote: [quote] also, i don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp is doing better lately than mma lately, too (for most of this year), so can't see how you miss that context too.
I wouldn't disagree with that either. But we're not talking about overall results 2012. We're talking about their most recent code s performance. And I don't think many would disagree with the fact that mkp's opponents in gsl were 50x easier than mma's to get to ro8
looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
three random people on TL forums, whose knowledge/intelligence are completely unknown, don't exactly phase me. He's got the H2H lead over TaeJa when you consider 2011 lol. but this is 2012, the year where Taeja has been considered the best player in the world for the majority of. Don't you remember when TaeJA all-killed Prime and crushed mkp in the ace match? If you made a poll: who would win in a best of 7, taeja or mkp, I'm 99% sure that 95% ppl would vote taeja.
actaully, taeja held the h2h last year, but mkp does this year. don't forget mkp's drubbing of taeja 5-1 in ipl. i'm sure such a poll would not favour taeja heavily, if at all.
On October 10 2012 10:12 MasterKang wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:10 opterown wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:09 Dodgin wrote: this MMA MKP GSL argument is totally pointless by the way ;o
is fun
On October 10 2012 10:08 FightingSolO wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:05 opterown wrote: [quote] looks like you have quite a few disagreeing with you already. it's not impossible for mkp to advance from such a group, he's got the h2h lead over taeja and something like 85% TvT this year.
MKP had the easier group. It doesn't matter his stats in TvT. MasterKang is addressing the GROUP not stats of how well a player is doing. If you honestly believe that MVP and Taeja in a group is easier than Jaedong and MC, both of who have dropped out (well MC going to up and downs), you honestly have to reevaluate what "easy" means
well this point of his argument was that mkp would have dropped out of the ro32 - no, demolished - if he was in MMA's group, which is something i disagree with.
perhaps demolished is hyperbole, but the vast majority would agree that mkp's group was much much easier and that his chances of advancing in MMA's group are extremely extremely slim
not extremely slim -> mana should be an easy win, while mvp is difficult, and taeja is definitely beatable.
The fight club match was not during TaeJa's rise to prominence. Early 2012 TaeJa is a COMPLETELY different player than he is now. There is a reason TaeJa is poised to take the GSL and MKP is not. TaeJa has been demolishing everybody, with the exception of Rain and younghwa. For you to say that Taeja is not ridiculously favored against mkp is well, ridiculous
actually, it was during june, which is about that time taeja did well taeja has been dropping games left and right... don't know how much you keep up
Yet Taeja is in Ro4 while MKP is out. Yup dropping games left and right, but still about to win GSL. nice.
yeah, taeja is doing better than mkp right now. but he is not the favourite in a head to head.
better players are the one that win tournaments, not the ones that can win a certain series. At this point, with his momentum, Taeja would probably beat MKP.
not arguing about momentum or who's winning more, but saying that mkp would have stood a significant chance of making it out of mma's ro32 group.
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