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Murphy's law stroke again! Khaldor cannot stream today because he must have eaten something bad last night, but he is trying to stream tomorrow at least 
Also Sleep and GoOdy didnt show up to play, so we replaced them with HyuN and Beastyqt.
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Didn't think that locust could melt thors like that :|
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Did Bly beat Satiini 3-0? Missed the third game and now he plays in the other hots tourney.
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yeah he did, the current state of the beta is just disgustingly bad, released even close to being this way it would most likely ruin the game completely
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On September 29 2012 22:54 Satiinifi wrote:
yeah he did, the current state of the beta is just disgustingly bad, released even close to being this way it would most likely ruin the game completely
I don't know about balance and such things, but I'm a bit disappointed that terran is basically the same. Perhaps it was the most complete race going in to this expansion but new units are always interesting and brings some fresh blood to the game.
What are your thoughts about the beta so far, if you don't mind?
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The most recent patch was to intended to limit the MSC's offensive capabilities, no? ToD was still using it quite effectively to break down Sjow's base in their series.
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Wrong tournament ... oops
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On September 30 2012 00:31 red4ce wrote:
The most recent patch was to intended to limit the MSC's offensive capabilities, no? ToD was still using it quite effectively to break down Sjow's base in their series.
well it is a beta. But it was pretty obvious that an air unit out that fast is a bad idea combined with stalkers who have a huge range for the early game.
Terran defends with bunkers and high ground and the MsC denies this. You basically harass the worker line in the main if they send marines, you break the front and the energy sentries to contain them on one base. It is really easy to fix this problem in multiple ways. But right now its really funny to outright kill your opponent as toss. Reminds me of a move roaches, or 60 hp workers.
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15:00 MSK (+04:00) Ro4 #1: HyuN vs. Bly
16:15 MSK (+04:00) Ro4 #2: DIMAGA vs. ToD
this is true?
liqupedia says that pairs is: hyun-dimaga, bly-tod
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What might be correct... The thread the admin himself updates or TLPD? :D
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On September 30 2012 19:45 Khaldor wrote:
What might be correct... The thread the admin himself updates or TLPD? :D
Liquipedia?
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Haha, last 2 times TLPD was wrong, today they are right though. Admin made a mistake yesterday because of all the problems that happened during the tournament
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Still confused, are you referring TLPD as Liquipedia?
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I am a bit sad that recall will now be restricted to a defensive ability. While rare, offensive recalls have always been very nice to see. I would prefer if it were moved to, say, the Oracle and limited in the amount of units it can move with a single cast.
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Entombed is a really boring ability.
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I'm really sad if Oracle stays in game. Feels pointless unit to SC universe.
Swarm Host seems decent unit and more enjoyable to watch.
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I love how this doesnt resemble WOL at all :D
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Hots doesn't seem to have done much for ToDvZ
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On September 30 2012 21:23 WigglingSquid wrote:
I am a bit sad that recall will now be restricted to a defensive ability. While rare, offensive recalls have always been very nice to see. I would prefer if it were moved to, say, the Oracle and limited in the amount of units it can move with a single cast.
I think normal recall is still on the mothership (normal one)
Offensive recalls so early in the game are pretty broken, for the same reason they've removed offensive highground warp-ins. It leads to Toss being able to completely circumnavigate any form of defense set up.
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Hyun ling all-inned dimaga and now tod's cannon rushing him, poor guy isn't even getting a chance to try the new units ;_;
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Mothership core harass is the funniest looking thing ever.
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On September 30 2012 22:32 Fusilero wrote:
Mothership core harass is the funniest looking thing ever.
That queen was like... oh stop that teeeeheee it tickles!
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Because everyone loves PvZ lategame they introduced mini-broodlords to have the same style of game in the midgame?
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While I'll wait for a player who doesn't auto tilt vsZ PvZ doesn't look that changed in hots.
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Lurkers+ Broodlords so hard to deal against meh...
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Liking the Swarm Host. Not likening the Fungal Growth Freeze.
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Dimaga is basically killing tod without spending any resources, this pretty hilarious. Swarm host, infestor broodlord..... looooool
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On September 30 2012 22:57 Fusilero wrote:
While I'll wait for a player who doesn't auto tilt vsZ PvZ doesn't look that changed in hots.
maybe tempests might change this MU, but when they don't this will be terrible to watch :/
P with better earlygame defense and zerg with a defensive midgame unit that can delay attacks... so we will see even more PvZ lategame (but ok this time without vortex vs BLs...)
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That looks terrifying.
Infestor/BL/Swarm Host. More infinite free units even quicker than normal.
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On September 30 2012 23:00 Doko wrote:
Dimaga is basically killing tod without spending any resources, this pretty hilarious. Swarm host, infestor broodlord..... looooool
Well ToD should have been storm dropping.
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In the face of BM and balance whine
dimaga :D
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lol ToD, use friggin Tempest man.
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Zerg looks pretty sweet. I think in PvZ the "free unit concept" is great, as it forces the Protoss to harass and attack multiple points in order to be on equal footing with the Zerg Lategame. This helps break the Protoss Death Ball play.
Zerg is the worst race when it comes to responding to drops, while Protoss has some of the best harass options(Phoenix, Oracle, Warp Prism ).
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Haha Khaldor is raging against whining... Then again Khaldor earns money casting SC2 and its his best interest to promote HOTS even it might suck currently.
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On September 30 2012 22:27 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 21:23 WigglingSquid wrote:
I am a bit sad that recall will now be restricted to a defensive ability. While rare, offensive recalls have always been very nice to see. I would prefer if it were moved to, say, the Oracle and limited in the amount of units it can move with a single cast. I think normal recall is still on the mothership (normal one) Offensive recalls so early in the game are pretty broken, for the same reason they've removed offensive highground warp-ins. It leads to Toss being able to completely circumnavigate any form of defense set up.
Ah I certainly agree, recall on the MSC is pretty silly. Even on normal Oracle, it should be an upgrade or something as it is produced now.
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Mass recall on the motherhip core is the same as the old recall, only the Mothership Core Recall abilitiy has been changed which is fine in my book.
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This is super freaking fun to watch. Finally some early pressure from Sgate going tosses. Ofc both players could have reacted better, but this actually seems a fun way to play and watch.
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Fun start, nicely done by tod albeit some sloppiness from both sides but at least early PvZ is a little bit cooler.
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I think watching hots tournaments and streams I don't like the swarm host :/ feels like brood lord late game but happens much earlier.
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Swarm Host needs to be fixed to way shorter range, lower hp and more dmg. Perhaps off creep locust dies 3-4 times faster than in creep.
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My god Tod is a complainer, have some respect for the people you are playing against at least.
Bitching about the balance of a beta tournament...why even enter if you can't be nice.
He played awful, and then whines...how about not throwing away 3-4 phoenix's and several zealots in order to kill like...a few overlords.
Colossus aren't working... I know...I'll make a second robo
dumb dumb dumb dumb.
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i feel the same. i actually think protoss received the most fun units in hots (except for the tempest, but if it helps broodlord them i'm happy). swarm hosts are really boring. vipers sound nice but i haven't seen them much in action, even tho i just tuned in.
@winningguy: Tod has always said his opinion from what i remember. He's still no (big) flamer though, which is a good thing.
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On September 30 2012 23:10 GinDo wrote:
Zerg looks pretty sweet. I think in PvZ the "free unit concept" is great, as it forces the Protoss to harass and attack multiple points in order to be on equal footing with the Zerg Lategame. This helps break the Protoss Death Ball play.
Zerg is the worst race when it comes to responding to drops, while Protoss has some of the best harass options(Phoenix, Oracle, Warp Prism ).
Wow that's a really good thought, although I might argue that Terran is the worst race when responding to drops. Although given their units are stronger in small numbers, the respawning units can usually deal with drops.
But I really like that viewpoint, that this isn't a new deathball but rather forces a change in the metagame and the diversity of the PvZ playstyle.
I feel Protoss should go back to the race that Bisu Pioneered, one that favors aggression and multitasking.
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Tod tried to play wol metagame against hots zerg, no wonder he lost. He's supposed to lose.
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Perhaps the admins should invite one more korean rather than giving Hyun free money week in and week out. 
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Hyun is so good lately... hope he can win a big tournament soon.
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On October 01 2012 00:09 WigglingSquid wrote:Perhaps the admins should invite one more korean rather than giving Hyun free money week in and week out.
Look at IPL Fight Club, HyuN just doesn't lose online.
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On October 01 2012 00:09 WigglingSquid wrote:Perhaps the admins should invite one more korean rather than giving Hyun free money week in and week out.
I want better terrans, bring in polt or some other Korean terran.
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On October 01 2012 00:13 CrazyBirdman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 00:09 WigglingSquid wrote:Perhaps the admins should invite one more korean rather than giving Hyun free money week in and week out. Look at IPL Fight Club, HyuN just doesn't lose online.
MajOr, Crank, Tear, Grubby, aLive, TitaN... frankly, Tear was the only decent call. aLive is infamous for his inconsistency in TvZ and everyone else is either a foreigner or a b-teamer. They have been sort of soft or careless with him, most other partecipants had a much harder time.
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On October 01 2012 00:18 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 00:13 CrazyBirdman wrote:On October 01 2012 00:09 WigglingSquid wrote:Perhaps the admins should invite one more korean rather than giving Hyun free money week in and week out. Look at IPL Fight Club, HyuN just doesn't lose online. MajOr, Crank, Tear, Grubby, aLive, TitaN... frankly, Tear was the only decent call. aLive is infamous for his inconsistency in TvZ and everyone else is either a foreigner or a b-teamer. They have been sort of soft or careless with him, most other partecipants had a much harder time.
Well I guess they don't like reinviting people and hyun was fortunate to arrive after MKP, taeja, Creator, polt, violet, jjakji, MC and stephano had all played but they really should consider reinviting someone if they want to get rid of hyun (Or someone like seed).
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On October 01 2012 00:09 MangoMountain wrote:
Tod tried to play wol metagame against hots zerg, no wonder he lost. He's supposed to lose.
locusts are pretty terrible vs forcefield/colossus. tod barely built any in those games
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