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On September 12 2012 19:57 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 19:54 TheDwf wrote:On September 12 2012 19:50 Cramsy wrote:On September 12 2012 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 12 2012 19:45 Cramsy wrote:On September 12 2012 19:41 TheDwf wrote:On September 12 2012 19:37 Qwerty85 wrote:
How do you even engage this protoss army? Make 25 Vikings and watch Protoss lose 42 supply in 14 seconds. then watch 20 zealots instantly warp in and kill your already tiny bio army. Tiny bio army with ~40 SCVs? You still have 110+ supply left for MMM Ghosts, that's OK. Having 30 more MMM supply against 7 Colossi is pure waste anyway. you do know when they engage that terran will actually lose units? The T army will actually still take losses regardless how fast the colo die? It's not like JYP was attacking with pure colossus So? You still need 20+ Vikings against 7 Colossi, end of story. You're literally arguing for 40+ supply of units that are going to be useless when the insta-remax happens. The whole point of major engagements in TvP is that you have to take such a huge advantage that you can't lose to the faster remax. With that much supply that's essentially dead weight you're not going to do that.
Also, when you're as ahead as Nova was you can also tech-switch (Battlecruisers, seriously). He was very capable of defending but he tried to press on with his advantage, which ended up not working out so well.
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life doing another desperate build like all the zergs do on ohana and entombed lately
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On September 12 2012 19:57 Waxangel wrote:
why would you go not-immortal all-in on this map :D
It's meta as fuck, they blind counter the immortal all-in, so you get a sick advantage against them with the counter to their counter.
or something
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I don't know why it took me this long to think of this, but given the termination of the Slayers/EG partnership, where is JYP living now?
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On September 12 2012 19:57 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 19:54 TheDwf wrote:On September 12 2012 19:50 Cramsy wrote:On September 12 2012 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 12 2012 19:45 Cramsy wrote:On September 12 2012 19:41 TheDwf wrote:On September 12 2012 19:37 Qwerty85 wrote:
How do you even engage this protoss army? Make 25 Vikings and watch Protoss lose 42 supply in 14 seconds. then watch 20 zealots instantly warp in and kill your already tiny bio army. Tiny bio army with ~40 SCVs? You still have 110+ supply left for MMM Ghosts, that's OK. Having 30 more MMM supply against 7 Colossi is pure waste anyway. you do know when they engage that terran will actually lose units? The T army will actually still take losses regardless how fast the colo die? It's not like JYP was attacking with pure colossus So? You still need 20+ Vikings against 7 Colossi, end of story. You're literally arguing for 40+ supply of units that are going to be useless when the insta-remax happens. The whole point of major engagements in TvP is that you have to take such a huge advantage that you can't lose to the faster remax. With that much supply that's essentially dead weight you're not going to do that.
Insta remax with 37 probes? Not to mention that Vikings can still land, while dead bio doesn't shoot.
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Uh oh Life's going to see the prism as it goes out!
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On September 12 2012 19:58 bittman wrote:
This game already feels odd
Most Life matches does
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That was a weird engagement
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On September 12 2012 20:01 Jono7272 wrote:
Fail storm drop.
They were just zoning the mineral line
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United States33705 Posts
given the amount of mana wasted and time bought, I wonder if that actualyl worked out
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That may have been the worst storm drop by a pro I've ever seen.
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On September 12 2012 19:56 Soyuz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 19:53 IshinShishi wrote:On September 12 2012 19:51 Soyuz wrote:On September 12 2012 19:47 Corrosive wrote:On September 12 2012 19:45 Dodgin wrote:On September 12 2012 19:43 IshinShishi wrote:On September 12 2012 19:42 Dodgin wrote:On September 12 2012 19:41 MCDayC wrote:
Can't tell if JYP did badly or Asha''s being a pro-terran downer. second one I think jyp played very bad, but supernova played much worse, in fact this was one of the worst bio controls I've seen from a korean terran in quite some time. you are just being overly biased because of JYPvT stigma, he did really well for the most part. " missed storms " are not always missed by accident, but used for zoning. fucking thank you It's like a forcefield that you may plant once in a while when you want to retreat. You don't buy minerals or gas in the form of killed units but you buy time. jyp was sending astray hts everywhere without backup, basically donating units if the terran in control was someone like byun, he used storms to retreat like once or twice out of his 15 fail storms. Astray implies lost. Like he randomly move-commanded them to some places and forgot about them. It was pretty obviously that he didn't that game. Entombed Valley is a big map and I'll admit that by doing what he did he made huge risks. But it paid off. SC2 = risky game.
I fail to see your point in discussing the semantics of the word astray when it's pretty clear in the context I used that astray hts means that they had no back up , I also don't think I used the word incorrectly, units being off path or away from the main army doesn't mean that they have been forgotten, at all. Also, the bad ht control was just one of the points, Jyp also took bases without proper defence, left his colossi unprotected at multiple points, etc. Supernova just managed to play worse.
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On September 12 2012 19:54 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 19:48 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On September 12 2012 19:35 Blaec wrote:On September 12 2012 19:33 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On September 12 2012 19:23 Robje wrote:On September 12 2012 19:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On September 12 2012 19:17 Robje wrote:
Supernova just wants to beat Nestea to get his Nestea award... now here's me hoping Nestea will have non of that and go in 2011 Nestea mode He can only go in 2011 NesTea mode if his opponents go in 2011 horrible play mode that they used back then. If you catch my drift.  You can't deny that while Nestea had the dominance Mvp had, he sure was a great player that still won his championships by awesome play... and if you do want to do that, at least he was good enough to be better than those horrible players, right?  There was a time when NesTea was the best zerg in the world. And it was quite a long period of time to be honest. I will not contest that. Furthermore, he was a really good player. But because more than half of the people that he beat in the championships he won were not even Code S material to begin with, even for early 2011 standards, people made him out to be a lot better than he really was. That's all I'm saying. He was a great player back then, but he looked a lot better than he really was because the people he played were in Code S not due to their skill but due to a faulty system. And some of them were actually so bad that they dropped out entirely even before said system was changed. I know it's not a classy argument to make but it's true. But if you're honest to yourself, you realize that NesTea's reign was definitively over more than a year ago. GSL wasn't as mature, but that doesn't delegitimise Nestea's accomplishments. He was still the best player in the world at the time. I'm not saying "everyone was worse back then therefore NesTea is bad". I'm saying that almost all of the people who he beat were actually really bad, even for that time's standards. (the only exceptions that come to mind are MKP and sC). Every time he faced an opponent of his calibre he got destroyed (Mvp was the first to illustrate this, then MMA in August) If he had to face Mvp in every one of his GSLs I doubt he would have won more than a single one. But it's moot to argue about it now. I don't think he'll drop out of GSL altogether too soon, given that he's good at preparing and usually lucky with brackets (which is the point I was trying to make all this time). We'll see. Go back and look at the brackets, he beat great players in his open run and a mix of good and not so good players in his other two runs. Either way he deserved 3 championships.
TheBest, TheWinD, Zenio (who wasn't that good at the time), BoxeR (who was surprisingly bad at TvZ when considering his BW past), Jinro twice, loss to Clide, FruitDealer, anypro, InCa (holy shit), Rain (walkover), July, Ensnare, HongUn. Where are they now? I really didn't want to have to name names because I don't want to bash players, but come on. Be honest here.
On September 12 2012 19:54 jackdaleaper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 19:48 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On September 12 2012 19:35 Blaec wrote:On September 12 2012 19:33 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On September 12 2012 19:23 Robje wrote:On September 12 2012 19:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On September 12 2012 19:17 Robje wrote:
Supernova just wants to beat Nestea to get his Nestea award... now here's me hoping Nestea will have non of that and go in 2011 Nestea mode He can only go in 2011 NesTea mode if his opponents go in 2011 horrible play mode that they used back then. If you catch my drift. You can't deny that while Nestea had the dominance Mvp had, he sure was a great player that still won his championships by awesome play... and if you do want to do that, at least he was good enough to be better than those horrible players, right? There was a time when NesTea was the best zerg in the world. And it was quite a long period of time to be honest. I will not contest that. Furthermore, he was a really good player. But because more than half of the people that he beat in the championships he won were not even Code S material to begin with, even for early 2011 standards, people made him out to be a lot better than he really was. That's all I'm saying. He was a great player back then, but he looked a lot better than he really was because the people he played were in Code S not due to their skill but due to a faulty system. And some of them were actually so bad that they dropped out entirely even before said system was changed. I know it's not a classy argument to make but it's true. But if you're honest to yourself, you realize that NesTea's reign was definitively over more than a year ago. GSL wasn't as mature, but that doesn't delegitimise Nestea's accomplishments. He was still the best player in the world at the time. I'm not saying "everyone was worse back then therefore NesTea is bad". I'm saying that almost all of the people who he beat were actually really bad, even for that time's standards. (the only exceptions that come to mind are MKP and sC). Every time he faced an opponent of his calibre he got destroyed (Mvp was the first to illustrate this, then MMA in August) If he had to face Mvp in every one of his GSLs I doubt he would have won more than a single one. Why didn't he face MVP in every one of his Finals appearances? Overall, I do agree that MVP is better than Nestea but that doesn't mean he can't win against him in a bo3. If Nestea made it to a GSL finals and won it we can't argue that he was the best player that season and we shouldn't take anything away from his accomplishments by saying he only got there because all the players he beat were bad.
Mvp has not lost to NesTea in GSL 2011. They went:
3-1 for Mvp in January, 2-0 for Mvp in August, 3-2 for Mvp in October (source: TLPD)
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United States33705 Posts
noope gonna lose the third anyway T_T
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This is looking like his usual PvT's
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Is it just me or has the games been pretty bad today? x.x
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On September 12 2012 20:00 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 19:57 FuzzyJAM wrote:On September 12 2012 19:54 TheDwf wrote:On September 12 2012 19:50 Cramsy wrote:On September 12 2012 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 12 2012 19:45 Cramsy wrote:On September 12 2012 19:41 TheDwf wrote:On September 12 2012 19:37 Qwerty85 wrote:
How do you even engage this protoss army? Make 25 Vikings and watch Protoss lose 42 supply in 14 seconds. then watch 20 zealots instantly warp in and kill your already tiny bio army. Tiny bio army with ~40 SCVs? You still have 110+ supply left for MMM Ghosts, that's OK. Having 30 more MMM supply against 7 Colossi is pure waste anyway. you do know when they engage that terran will actually lose units? The T army will actually still take losses regardless how fast the colo die? It's not like JYP was attacking with pure colossus So? You still need 20+ Vikings against 7 Colossi, end of story. You're literally arguing for 40+ supply of units that are going to be useless when the insta-remax happens. The whole point of major engagements in TvP is that you have to take such a huge advantage that you can't lose to the faster remax. With that much supply that's essentially dead weight you're not going to do that. Insta remax with 37 probes? Not to mention that Vikings can still land, while dead bio doesn't shoot.
If you're talking that game specifically, I have no idea why you think SuperNova could get to 20+ Vikings. . .that game is illustrative of next to nothing because of how sloppy SuperNova was.
Anyway, wtf was that Warp Prism drop? I guess he wanted to feedback a bunch of Infestors maybe?
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