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simmeh
Canada2511 Posts
but tsl3 was special because it was tsl's first sc2 tournament and also had more special moments... boxer playing, goody beating nestea, adelscott beating mvp, thorzain's run (beating mc in a great series) and a great final. tsl 4 was still good, just might not be the most memorable tournament. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 09 2012 07:21 Kevan wrote: Burying seems like such a waste though. In many ways. I for one will continue to embrace my dark side. Removing all of it a waste, I think we should show them the joys of what we have made in the TSL thread to the GSL LRs. | ||
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Snorkels
United States1015 Posts
On September 09 2012 07:10 sixfour wrote: grats to creator. seemed to be clearly the best player, well deserved cash monies and a decent final series, if only we could have actually got to carriers in game 1. thanks to the admins etc behind the tournament that mostly don't get the props they deserve Now I want the VODs for the games I missed :D | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On September 09 2012 07:08 Liquid`Ret wrote: that was also thorzain vs naniwa. great storyline there ^^ .. but 25k isnt bad ya everyone saying around 25k i guess when i scrolled over the stream listing on tl it only said 9754 or something. But yeah tsl 3 finals were so damn awesome. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On September 09 2012 07:33 Canucklehead wrote: It's a different tournament climate today. There are so many on and offline tournaments today that tsl is just one of many. The mystique of korean vs foreigner of last TSL is gone too since that happens all the time now. I don't think a thorzain/naniwa tsl 4 finals would draw 50k today. Mvp or MC vs a big name foreigner would draw a huge number of viewers if they also had the finals live at TLHQ with footage of the venue and the players during the games. | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3430 Posts
It was not only a problem of "no big names". There was nothing exceptional about this event whatsoever, bar a free 720p stream, which was nice, but changed nothing in the end. To be honest, hadn't the event been done by teamliquid, the finals wouldn't have even gotten the 20-something thousand hits they did. I know I tuned it only to show some support. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On September 09 2012 07:34 Dodgin wrote: Mvp or MC vs a big name foreigner would draw a huge number of viewers if they also had the finals live at TLHQ with footage of the venue and the players during the games. I agree that only a big name korean vs a big name foreigner would draw 50k offline. Can't be foreigner vs foreigner or kr vs kr to get those numbers. For an online/offline event finals, since I know a dreamhack could draw those numbers for foreigner vs foreigner finals. | ||
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Applesmack
Canada680 Posts
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Stuv
Netherlands942 Posts
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
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TR
2320 Posts
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
tsl3: >1700 posts tsl4: <200 posts | ||
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how2TL
1197 Posts
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
On September 09 2012 07:53 how2TL wrote: Almost 50 pages and no results update in OP. Congratz someone too busy updating the main page with the winner obv | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On September 09 2012 07:06 CapnAmerica wrote: Maybe the moderation was just so powerful that they prevented any stupid posts from being made by threatening anyone who said "Zerg imba" with death, permaban, and possible zealot warp-ins in their house. Haha, this would fix A LOT of qq. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
Still, congrats to Creator i guess. | ||
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Doubting
Canada981 Posts
On September 09 2012 07:37 True_Spike wrote: The problem with this tournament is that absolutely every single aspect of it could have been done better. Was there a single thing you'd rate above average and mediocre, dear viewer? To me, it felt extremely amateurish, from start to finish - even when compared to the past TSLs, not to mention the big offline events we have grew accustomed to over the past years. It was not only a problem of "no big names". There was nothing exceptional about this event whatsoever, bar a free 720p stream, which was nice, but changed nothing in the end. To be honest, hadn't the event been done by teamliquid, the finals wouldn't have even gotten the 20-something thousand hits they did. I know I tuned it only to show some support. in the end it is the games and the players that bring the audience which is out of TL's control. If more fans watched for Talent then this would have more views the the final last year. Talent wise it doesn't get much better then Life vs Creator. Imagine a Stephano vs Taeja final or Mvp vs HerO. The production was great The Casters were top notch The music was fantastic TL did a great job If people don't want to watch lesser known Koreans play Good games then that is their fault. | ||
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xHQx
Russian Federation601 Posts
so just watched restream on other site | ||
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
On September 09 2012 07:45 revel8 wrote: There is just so much SC2 content available these days that viewers have more choice. This TSL4 had to compete with all the other tournaments going on, all the other player streams happening, all the archived VODs available on youtube and twitch. It is inevitable that TSL4 would have lower viewers due to increased competition for viewer attention. The latter stages being filled with Koreans who are not the most popular also harmed the viewer count. Folks might argue that that should not be the case but they should not ignore the reality that Korean domination is causing some segments of the Foreign audience to switch channels. It is a problematic issue facing tournaments in the Foreign scene. I am not sure of the solution. There is only one way. Foreigners need to pick up their game. Sorry but 6-8 hours per day doesn't cut it, they need to bump that up to 10-14 hours per day. They need team houses, preferably in Korea so they can take advantage of the higher skill cap ladder, as well as proper coaches to nudge them in the right direction. And perhaps the most important aspect is to blend with the Koreans themselves. Befriend them, practice with them, study and learn everything about them, then finally surpass them. Due to the unlikely chance that this will ever happen, HOTS will be the biggest factor in viewer numbers shooting up again. | ||
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