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United Kingdom1419 Posts
September 10 2012 08:44 GMT
#1041
On September 10 2012 04:25 Jakkerr wrote:
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On September 10 2012 03:21 Dfgj wrote:
On September 09 2012 23:58 testthewest wrote:
Well, I watched the finals, because I accidently just happened to be online at that time. But the semi's would have not brought me to tune in. Just random player names, so I just wasn't really drawn to that.

The weaknesses of this TSL (in decending order):

1) No live final! Even online Live would have been so much better.
2) Quite unknown players
3) An all korean final
4) HotS beta streams up at the same time (not TL fault - but it is just more interesting)
5) WoL losing a bit of steam. ZvP seems quite mapped out. Fast forward to the money vortex, or the epic vortex fail (even though I must admit lives steal of the mothership right at the end of the vortex was innovative)

That being said, I enjoyed watching the finals. Both players inpressed me and will be non-namers for me no longer.


If Creator and Life are unknown then you must not follow Starcraft in the first place.


There's tons of people that rarely watch the GSL.
Creator and Life are pretty unknown players to the foreigner scene.
Every1 has heard their names around, but only people that watch the GSL will actually know them and be interested in them.


Creator won fricking WCS Korea which was equivalent if not harder than Code S. Life is on Startale which is the 2nd best team in the world behind iM. They are certainly not randoms.
Bow down to the sons of Aiur...SKT1_Rain, CreatorPrime, ST_Parting, Liquid_Hero.
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Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
September 10 2012 08:47 GMT
#1042
On September 10 2012 17:05 RageBot wrote:
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On September 09 2012 09:06 Cele wrote:
On September 09 2012 08:58 magnaflow wrote:
On September 09 2012 07:33 Canucklehead wrote:
It's a different tournament climate today. There are so many on and offline tournaments today that tsl is just one of many. The mystique of korean vs foreigner of last TSL is gone too since that happens all the time now. I don't think a thorzain/naniwa tsl 4 finals would draw 50k today.




No two foreigners playing would, regardless of who they are. But you put Stephano or Idra up against MVP. or MKP and you would draw around 50k in the right setting.


But what does that mean for us? That players who are fan favorites should be seeded into the TSL not regarding their current performance? I do wanna see the best players playing and winning the TSL and no "sorry you korean guys are too good" tournament. It was different in TSL 1&2, as the skill gap in broodwar was like the grand canyon compared to the sc2 skill gap.

For me it is enough to divide the spots by doing an KR, EU and US Qualifier. I personally really favor White Ra. I love his personality, his playstyle etc. But i wouldnt wanna see him in TSL if he didnt deserve the spot so im not dissapointed. Every big name in the foreign and korean scene had the chance to qualify for the TSL, so i dont mind not to see Stephano, IdrA or MC, MVP, DRG


It means that the big names (MLG, IPL, TL and so on).
Should stop investing that much in big tournemants, and starting investing way more in local scenes.
You can't have a scene in which you either make it super big as a foreigner (Idra, Stephano, Nerchio, Mana and so on), from the money-making aspect at least, or you don't make enough to justify the time you're spending on the game.
If there are four MLG championships a year, with 76K in each of them, while foreigners only make around 10K of that each year, wouldn't it be more profitable for them to have less big tournemants, and more small, local lans? (maybe not short term though).


You really think people would care more about regional tournaments?
Does anyone got the numbers of WCS NA finals? I mean it was the finals for whole North America. I wonder if it got more viewers than TSL :o...
I didn't watch it, because I personally think the quality of play, shown by NA players, have been lacking a lot lately.
Wrath 2.1
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany880 Posts
September 10 2012 16:48 GMT
#1043
Homestory Cup is thousand times better than tsl4.

I never thought I'ld say that... but it's true for me.
The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.
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