EPTI thought people would kind of remember Jaedong versus Genius too. The pachyderm fever was running hot at that point.
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Porcelina
United Kingdom3249 Posts
I thought people would kind of remember Jaedong versus Genius too. The pachyderm fever was running hot at that point. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4559 Posts
On August 21 2012 18:42 Ysellian wrote: Haven't all zergs struggled to understand ZvP when they first started playing? It's very easy to underestimate the trouble you are in because of warp-ins and forcefields. Yes. Pretty much, they'll learn the timings like the modern Zergs it'll just take a bit of time. | ||
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GT350
United States270 Posts
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
On August 21 2012 18:42 Ysellian wrote: Haven't all zergs struggled to understand ZvP when they first started playing? It's very easy to underestimate the trouble you are in because of warp-ins and forcefields. Exactly my thoughts. I expect EffOrt to pick it up when he fully transitions over to SC2. Until then, it's going to be really brutal :/ his ZvZ is amazing and ZvT is pretty good at least. ZvP takes the most time to get used to with handling these aggressive pushes | ||
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Porcelina
United Kingdom3249 Posts
On August 21 2012 18:43 FataLe wrote: oh shit came late again. can somebody sum up the first two elephants? Hero had beautiful execution of a two base push on Ohana, three base on Entombed. Effort looked just as bad as he did versus a different Hero earlier in WCS Korea. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On August 21 2012 18:41 setzer wrote: His other two matchups are great, but his ZvP is really, really bad. In fact, it seems like a lot of KeSPA zergs have problems dealing with attacks like this. Kespa protoss overall look the best tbh, not sure if it's perhaps more easy to learn builds in practice, or if the race is closer to that of BW. Not saying Protoss is easy to play ofc, just these timings are possibly good to practice to perfection ? | ||
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Ubikuuu!
Italy285 Posts
On August 21 2012 18:43 vthree wrote: This is why we see PvPs so much in PL. It seems like the P players have transition the smoothest. Damn you Bisu!  But it's true, hope to see a metagame shift in kespa players too since protoss-involving matchups are my least favorites. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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AgentChaos
United Kingdom4569 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On August 21 2012 18:42 8mmspikes wrote: KeSPA Zergs just have so much trouble with Protoss right now  Actually everyone having trouble with Korean Protosses right now (except foreign Zergs :p) Oh please . The protoss in this tournament are the best in the world . Someone beating MC in a foreign tournament isn't anything special . MC travels all the time , his skill level is lower then the tosses in this tournament . | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On August 21 2012 18:44 Lysanias wrote: Kespa protoss overall look the best tbh, not sure if it's perhaps more easy to learn, or if the race is closer to that of BW. Not saying Protoss is easy to play ofc, just these timings are possibly good to practice to perfection ? You win vs Protoss based on understainding "if he is going to kill me in a minute or in 3 minutes", and no amount of talent and micro will give you that answer, you basically have to know this. | ||
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SibChil
Sweden502 Posts
On August 21 2012 18:42 Ysellian wrote: Haven't all zergs struggled to understand ZvP when they first started playing? It's very easy to underestimate the trouble you are in because of warp-ins and forcefields. And the drone management in this gamephase is quite intricate. It's really easy to end up with either too much army or too much eco even for the pros. | ||
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Porcelina
United Kingdom3249 Posts
On August 21 2012 18:45 AgentChaos wrote: well i guess hero won that without effort hueheuheuheuheuheuehuee Dear sir/madam, I think you will find that without and against are two different words. Thank you very much. + Show Spoiler + <3 | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
On August 21 2012 18:44 Lysanias wrote: Kespa protoss overall look the best tbh, not sure if it's perhaps more easy to learn builds in practice, or if the race is closer to that of BW. Not saying Protoss is easy to play ofc, just these timings are possibly good to practice to perfection ? that certainly does play a role too atm as most of the pvz builds can practically be practiced against the ai but imo its just the maps that are the main problem atm, proleague, wcg and wcs all use pretty protoss favored maps and all the kespa players have to play on those since their switch | ||
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
On August 21 2012 18:45 raga4ka wrote: Oh please . The protoss in this tournament are the best in the world . Someone beating MC in a foreign tournament isn't anything special . MC travels all the time , his skill level is lower then the tosses in this tournament . That's why he did so bad last GSL... | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
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niukasu1990
1007 Posts
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GT350
United States270 Posts
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On August 21 2012 18:45 raga4ka wrote: Oh please . The protoss in this tournament are the best in the world . Someone beating MC in a foreign tournament isn't anything special . MC travels all the time , his skill level is lower then the tosses in this tournament . Well, it's not only MC, but I think we should all agree when we use the term "Foreign Zergs" that it designate quite only Stephano + Nerchio... (I wouldn't say anything about SortOf, Suppy, and JonnyREcco, as they have shown up for about only 3 months or so). | ||
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