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it doesn't annoy me that TSL was delayed for cologne. But it does, that this kind of stuff is never really (or did i miss it?) announced beforehand. It would have been easy to mention that broadcast would be at 14 EDT but later if iem cologne had overtime. And i think it's not the first time stuff like this was handled suboptimal during TSL4. Wishing only for the most epic TSL4 we can possible have i wanna say: wake up guys
On August 19 2012 04:24 how2TL wrote: TSL lineup looks like a random Korean weekly. Not necessarily anyone's fault but it's a little boring.
Sadly I feel the same way. Im gonna watch anyway just to show support for TSL, but its a little uninteresting.
Why? You don't like good players?
They didn't say the players weren't good, except you can see this each week, in every Korean weekly. Just thought TSL4 would be more unique in this respect; and it was, with all the foreigners, but that was in the much earlier rounds. I'm enjoying myself, but in the same way I enjoy KSL.
On August 19 2012 04:24 how2TL wrote: TSL lineup looks like a random Korean weekly. Not necessarily anyone's fault but it's a little boring.
Sadly I feel the same way. Im gonna watch anyway just to show support for TSL, but its a little uninteresting.
Why? You don't like good players?
They didn't say the players weren't good, except you can see this each week, in every Korean weekly. Just thought TSL4 would be more unique in this respect; and it was, with all the foreigners, but that was in the much earlier rounds. I'm enjoying myself, but in the same way I enjoy KSL.
Well they did try to make the foreigner players last in TSL, but they can't make them play better
It is kinda more dramatic when it's not only Koreans I'll admit, hoping for upsets and stuff. But in the end of the day, I want the best games possible, and often only top Koreans can deliver that.
Oh, and you can get your foreigner fix watching IEM
On August 19 2012 04:24 how2TL wrote: TSL lineup looks like a random Korean weekly. Not necessarily anyone's fault but it's a little boring.
Sadly I feel the same way. Im gonna watch anyway just to show support for TSL, but its a little uninteresting.
Why? You don't like good players?
They didn't say the players weren't good, except you can see this each week, in every Korean weekly. Just thought TSL4 would be more unique in this respect; and it was, with all the foreigners, but that was in the much earlier rounds. I'm enjoying myself, but in the same way I enjoy KSL.
I agree that I'm kind of getting that vibe too.
TSL3 had a different, more unique rhythm though, in my opinion. It wasn't like "every other tournament with amazing players". Maybe it's just that I've seen so many tournaments now. Maybe it's the lack of (or different) players' special runs through the tournaments. I don't know for sure, but I'm not as excited overall compared to TSL3.
We need the equivalent of that legendary Thorzain vs. MC match, and the Thorzain vs. Naniwa hype too.
On August 19 2012 04:24 how2TL wrote: TSL lineup looks like a random Korean weekly. Not necessarily anyone's fault but it's a little boring.
Sadly I feel the same way. Im gonna watch anyway just to show support for TSL, but its a little uninteresting.
Why? You don't like good players?
They didn't say the players weren't good, except you can see this each week, in every Korean weekly. Just thought TSL4 would be more unique in this respect; and it was, with all the foreigners, but that was in the much earlier rounds. I'm enjoying myself, but in the same way I enjoy KSL.
I just find it a bit dis-respectful to the players to claim that a tournament is disinteresting just because of the flag on their passport.
On August 19 2012 04:46 Rain.100 wrote: sry missed it. did first go for 1 gas nexus or 2 gas nexus?
2gas
again sting goes for early wall and fakes first by going gas this time with same 2nd depot timing, but first is always safe with 2nd gas when he can't get in, so his robo is in time and he should have protection against the incoming cloak banshees.
We don't know anything else about game 2 as the stream is currently down
On August 19 2012 04:24 how2TL wrote: TSL lineup looks like a random Korean weekly. Not necessarily anyone's fault but it's a little boring.
Sadly I feel the same way. Im gonna watch anyway just to show support for TSL, but its a little uninteresting.
Why? You don't like good players?
They didn't say the players weren't good, except you can see this each week, in every Korean weekly. Just thought TSL4 would be more unique in this respect; and it was, with all the foreigners, but that was in the much earlier rounds. I'm enjoying myself, but in the same way I enjoy KSL.
I just find it a bit dis-respectful to the players to claim that a tournament is disinteresting just because of the flag on their passport.
Its no different then losing interest in a olympic event because your country or favorite athlete was eliminated. Im not saying they arent great players. Im not taking anything away from them, but I do find it less interesting. My opinion is allowed to be different from yours
But that wasnt really the point. It has nothing to do with where they were from, I just find it hard to get behind players i know nothing about.
On August 19 2012 04:24 how2TL wrote: TSL lineup looks like a random Korean weekly. Not necessarily anyone's fault but it's a little boring.
Sadly I feel the same way. Im gonna watch anyway just to show support for TSL, but its a little uninteresting.
Why? You don't like good players?
They didn't say the players weren't good, except you can see this each week, in every Korean weekly. Just thought TSL4 would be more unique in this respect; and it was, with all the foreigners, but that was in the much earlier rounds. I'm enjoying myself, but in the same way I enjoy KSL.
I just find it a bit dis-respectful to the players to claim that a tournament is disinteresting just because of the flag on their passport.
At least to me it didnt seem like the problem was that they are korean. The problem he was talking about (at least it seemed to me) is the lack of uber known players (note known and not skilled). If the players were euro or NA the sentence would still be the same but instead of korean insert EU or NA.
Or he is just one of those people that hate koreans in SC2 idk...but at least to me it didnt seem like that was the problem but instead the lack of big names.
On August 19 2012 04:24 how2TL wrote: TSL lineup looks like a random Korean weekly. Not necessarily anyone's fault but it's a little boring.
Sadly I feel the same way. Im gonna watch anyway just to show support for TSL, but its a little uninteresting.
Why? You don't like good players?
They didn't say the players weren't good, except you can see this each week, in every Korean weekly. Just thought TSL4 would be more unique in this respect; and it was, with all the foreigners, but that was in the much earlier rounds. I'm enjoying myself, but in the same way I enjoy KSL.
I just find it a bit dis-respectful to the players to claim that a tournament is disinteresting just because of the flag on their passport.
It's only because all the flags are the same, not just because of the specific country. That's just how it is, competitions are more compelling if the viewer has someone to identify with like an underdog or someone of their own nationality or region, but if it's all people from one country it's less interesting and it's unavoidable.
On August 19 2012 04:24 how2TL wrote: TSL lineup looks like a random Korean weekly. Not necessarily anyone's fault but it's a little boring.
Sadly I feel the same way. Im gonna watch anyway just to show support for TSL, but its a little uninteresting.
Why? You don't like good players?
They didn't say the players weren't good, except you can see this each week, in every Korean weekly. Just thought TSL4 would be more unique in this respect; and it was, with all the foreigners, but that was in the much earlier rounds. I'm enjoying myself, but in the same way I enjoy KSL.
I just find it a bit dis-respectful to the players to claim that a tournament is disinteresting just because of the flag on their passport.
At least to me it didnt seem like the problem was that they are korean. The problem he was talking about (at least it seemed to me) is the lack of uber known players (note known and not skilled). If the players were euro or NA the sentence would still be the same but instead of korean insert EU or NA.
Or he is just one of those people that hate koreans in SC2 idk...but at least to me it didnt seem like that was the problem but instead the lack of big names.
But then he claimed TSL 3 was interesting when the finals were two nobodies that achieved nothing of note in Warcraft 3.
On August 19 2012 04:24 how2TL wrote: TSL lineup looks like a random Korean weekly. Not necessarily anyone's fault but it's a little boring.
Sadly I feel the same way. Im gonna watch anyway just to show support for TSL, but its a little uninteresting.
Why? You don't like good players?
They didn't say the players weren't good, except you can see this each week, in every Korean weekly. Just thought TSL4 would be more unique in this respect; and it was, with all the foreigners, but that was in the much earlier rounds. I'm enjoying myself, but in the same way I enjoy KSL.
I just find it a bit dis-respectful to the players to claim that a tournament is disinteresting just because of the flag on their passport.
At least to me it didnt seem like the problem was that they are korean. The problem he was talking about (at least it seemed to me) is the lack of uber known players (note known and not skilled). If the players were euro or NA the sentence would still be the same but instead of korean insert EU or NA.
Or he is just one of those people that hate koreans in SC2 idk...but at least to me it didnt seem like that was the problem but instead the lack of big names.
But then he claimed TSL 3 was interesting when the finals were two nobodies that achieved nothing of note in Warcraft 3.
It was interesting because it was the first time the Korean vs Foreigners really began, add to that people love when foreigners make upsets(Thorzains run) it made for a more interesting tournement than TSL4 so far
On August 19 2012 04:24 how2TL wrote: TSL lineup looks like a random Korean weekly. Not necessarily anyone's fault but it's a little boring.
Sadly I feel the same way. Im gonna watch anyway just to show support for TSL, but its a little uninteresting.
Why? You don't like good players?
They didn't say the players weren't good, except you can see this each week, in every Korean weekly. Just thought TSL4 would be more unique in this respect; and it was, with all the foreigners, but that was in the much earlier rounds. I'm enjoying myself, but in the same way I enjoy KSL.
I just find it a bit dis-respectful to the players to claim that a tournament is disinteresting just because of the flag on their passport.
At least to me it didnt seem like the problem was that they are korean. The problem he was talking about (at least it seemed to me) is the lack of uber known players (note known and not skilled). If the players were euro or NA the sentence would still be the same but instead of korean insert EU or NA.
Or he is just one of those people that hate koreans in SC2 idk...but at least to me it didnt seem like that was the problem but instead the lack of big names.
But then he claimed TSL 3 was interesting when the finals were two nobodies that achieved nothing of note in Warcraft 3.
Naniwa was known before the TSL and Thorzain made a name for himself during TSL3. It was a different scenario, the other players were well known, TZ was the underdog beating the famous players and because of that he was liked and never got the tag of random warcraft3 now playing sc2.
On August 19 2012 04:54 Chill wrote: Hot_Bid was wearing cleats when he stepped on the cable. Taking a little bit longer to splice back together, sorry.
was that before or after he dropped a chain saw onto the cable as well? lol man hotbid always gettin the blame for the tech issues!
On August 19 2012 04:24 how2TL wrote: TSL lineup looks like a random Korean weekly. Not necessarily anyone's fault but it's a little boring.
Sadly I feel the same way. Im gonna watch anyway just to show support for TSL, but its a little uninteresting.
Why? You don't like good players?
They didn't say the players weren't good, except you can see this each week, in every Korean weekly. Just thought TSL4 would be more unique in this respect; and it was, with all the foreigners, but that was in the much earlier rounds. I'm enjoying myself, but in the same way I enjoy KSL.
I just find it a bit dis-respectful to the players to claim that a tournament is disinteresting just because of the flag on their passport.
At least to me it didnt seem like the problem was that they are korean. The problem he was talking about (at least it seemed to me) is the lack of uber known players (note known and not skilled). If the players were euro or NA the sentence would still be the same but instead of korean insert EU or NA.
Or he is just one of those people that hate koreans in SC2 idk...but at least to me it didnt seem like that was the problem but instead the lack of big names.
But then he claimed TSL 3 was interesting when the finals were two nobodies that achieved nothing of note in Warcraft 3.
Naniwa was very notable during WC3.... just not for the right reasons.
On August 19 2012 04:54 Chill wrote: Hot_Bid was wearing cleats when he stepped on the cable. Taking a little bit longer to splice back together, sorry.
On August 19 2012 04:24 how2TL wrote: TSL lineup looks like a random Korean weekly. Not necessarily anyone's fault but it's a little boring.
Sadly I feel the same way. Im gonna watch anyway just to show support for TSL, but its a little uninteresting.
Why? You don't like good players?
They didn't say the players weren't good, except you can see this each week, in every Korean weekly. Just thought TSL4 would be more unique in this respect; and it was, with all the foreigners, but that was in the much earlier rounds. I'm enjoying myself, but in the same way I enjoy KSL.
I just find it a bit dis-respectful to the players to claim that a tournament is disinteresting just because of the flag on their passport.
It's only because all the flags are the same, not just because of the specific country. That's just how it is, competitions are more compelling if the viewer has someone to identify with like an underdog or someone of their own nationality or region, but if it's all people from one country it's less interesting and it's unavoidable.
Does this have to be discussed every tournament? The better players win, get over it or go pro yourself and change the trend.
On August 19 2012 04:54 Chill wrote: Hot_Bid was wearing cleats when he stepped on the cable. Taking a little bit longer to splice back together, sorry.
It's times like these I wonder about the more important things in life. Why does the play mouseover noise on the sc2 launcher sound like a machine gun when repeatedly "mouseovering"?
On August 19 2012 04:54 Chill wrote: Hot_Bid was wearing cleats when he stepped on the cable. Taking a little bit longer to splice back together, sorry.
On August 19 2012 04:54 Chill wrote: Hot_Bid was wearing cleats when he stepped on the cable. Taking a little bit longer to splice back together, sorry.
On August 19 2012 04:54 Chill wrote: Hot_Bid was wearing cleats when he stepped on the cable. Taking a little bit longer to splice back together, sorry.
On August 19 2012 04:24 how2TL wrote: TSL lineup looks like a random Korean weekly. Not necessarily anyone's fault but it's a little boring.
Sadly I feel the same way. Im gonna watch anyway just to show support for TSL, but its a little uninteresting.
Why? You don't like good players?
They didn't say the players weren't good, except you can see this each week, in every Korean weekly. Just thought TSL4 would be more unique in this respect; and it was, with all the foreigners, but that was in the much earlier rounds. I'm enjoying myself, but in the same way I enjoy KSL.
I just find it a bit dis-respectful to the players to claim that a tournament is disinteresting just because of the flag on their passport.
At least to me it didnt seem like the problem was that they are korean. The problem he was talking about (at least it seemed to me) is the lack of uber known players (note known and not skilled). If the players were euro or NA the sentence would still be the same but instead of korean insert EU or NA.
Or he is just one of those people that hate koreans in SC2 idk...but at least to me it didnt seem like that was the problem but instead the lack of big names.
But then he claimed TSL 3 was interesting when the finals were two nobodies that achieved nothing of note in Warcraft 3.
Thorzain was the storyline of the TSL3 and Naniwa was the most successful foreigner to date at that point.... So calling them unknowns is bizarre.
But again it really wasnt about where they were from. I just find it hard to get behind players that I know next to nothing about. If MKP were playing DRG right now I would be more interested.
On August 19 2012 04:54 Chill wrote: Hot_Bid was wearing cleats when he stepped on the cable. Taking a little bit longer to splice back together, sorry.
Why would anyone wear cleats indoors?
TSL production is done outdoors.
On top of a mountain, with a 56k modem on a 486 as the main stream machine right?
On August 19 2012 04:24 how2TL wrote: TSL lineup looks like a random Korean weekly. Not necessarily anyone's fault but it's a little boring.
Sadly I feel the same way. Im gonna watch anyway just to show support for TSL, but its a little uninteresting.
Why? You don't like good players?
They didn't say the players weren't good, except you can see this each week, in every Korean weekly. Just thought TSL4 would be more unique in this respect; and it was, with all the foreigners, but that was in the much earlier rounds. I'm enjoying myself, but in the same way I enjoy KSL.
I just find it a bit dis-respectful to the players to claim that a tournament is disinteresting just because of the flag on their passport.
It's only because all the flags are the same, not just because of the specific country. That's just how it is, competitions are more compelling if the viewer has someone to identify with like an underdog or someone of their own nationality or region, but if it's all people from one country it's less interesting and it's unavoidable.
Does this have to be discussed every tournament? The better players win, get over it or go pro yourself and change the trend.
The fuck? That isn't even the point. Your last statement is incredibly asinine. You obviously took that way too personally.
On August 19 2012 04:54 Chill wrote: Hot_Bid was wearing cleats when he stepped on the cable. Taking a little bit longer to splice back together, sorry.
Why would anyone wear cleats indoors?
TSL production is done outdoors.
Aye, you're at the transient camp, headin' out Californee way for some Internet.
On August 19 2012 04:58 Heritas wrote: I hate dApollo and his whatever fellow caser...wtf is going out there?? nice prepration sir!
I'm just getting into watching tournaments again and I have to give dApollo some props. He's come a long way from being Day9's wingman awkwardly transitioning from C&C. He seems like a very solid SC2 caster now, and one of the least annoying of them.
On August 19 2012 04:54 Chill wrote: Hot_Bid was wearing cleats when he stepped on the cable. Taking a little bit longer to splice back together, sorry.
Why would anyone wear cleats indoors?
TSL production is done outdoors.
On top of a mountain, with a 56k modem on a 486 as the main stream machine right?
sounds about right.
Actually its being broadcast from the moonbase using a 28.8k modem over AOL 4.0, the primary streaming machine being a Sega Saturn
On August 19 2012 04:24 how2TL wrote: TSL lineup looks like a random Korean weekly. Not necessarily anyone's fault but it's a little boring.
Sadly I feel the same way. Im gonna watch anyway just to show support for TSL, but its a little uninteresting.
Why? You don't like good players?
They didn't say the players weren't good, except you can see this each week, in every Korean weekly. Just thought TSL4 would be more unique in this respect; and it was, with all the foreigners, but that was in the much earlier rounds. I'm enjoying myself, but in the same way I enjoy KSL.
I just find it a bit dis-respectful to the players to claim that a tournament is disinteresting just because of the flag on their passport.
At least to me it didnt seem like the problem was that they are korean. The problem he was talking about (at least it seemed to me) is the lack of uber known players (note known and not skilled). If the players were euro or NA the sentence would still be the same but instead of korean insert EU or NA.
Or he is just one of those people that hate koreans in SC2 idk...but at least to me it didnt seem like that was the problem but instead the lack of big names.
But then he claimed TSL 3 was interesting when the finals were two nobodies that achieved nothing of note in Warcraft 3.
Thorzain was the storyline of the TSL3 and Naniwa was the most successful foreigner to date at that point.... So calling them unknowns is bizarre.
But again it really wasnt about where they were from. I just find it hard to get behind players that I know next to nothing about. If MKP were playing DRG right now I would be more interested.
Well, players have to start somewhere. Why do you know MKP and DRG? Because they did well In big tournaments.
where small armies with 3 tanks and a handful vultures could do crazy things...
also funny how artosis says eyedra and chill says idra like today :D
edit: i like the faster pace of sc2 but that we only see deathballs is sad
nevermind my friend, the kespa players are showing that BW level skills has true potential in SC2. I wasnt sure but after WCS i think I am, we are in for a fun end to the year :D
On August 19 2012 05:09 Fusilero wrote: TSL going full IPL TAC.
MLG Dallas 2011 would like to have a word with you.
THIS IS NOTHING TO DALLAS DO NOT SULLY THAT NAME.
Yeah Dallas is pretty much as bad as it gets, short of actually cancelling the event all together that is literally the only way it could have been worse.
where small armies with 3 tanks and a handful vultures could do crazy things...
also funny how artosis says eyedra and chill says idra like today :D
edit: i like the faster pace of sc2 but that we only see deathballs is sad
nevermind my friend, the kespa players are showing that BW level skills has true potential in SC2. I wasnt sure but after WCS i think I am, we are in for a fun end to the year :D
I dunno, I saw some pretty iffy unit control from JD.
where small armies with 3 tanks and a handful vultures could do crazy things...
also funny how artosis says eyedra and chill says idra like today :D
edit: i like the faster pace of sc2 but that we only see deathballs is sad
nevermind my friend, the kespa players are showing that BW level skills has true potential in SC2. I wasnt sure but after WCS i think I am, we are in for a fun end to the year :D
I dunno, I saw some pretty iffy unit control from JD.
where small armies with 3 tanks and a handful vultures could do crazy things...
also funny how artosis says eyedra and chill says idra like today :D
edit: i like the faster pace of sc2 but that we only see deathballs is sad
nevermind my friend, the kespa players are showing that BW level skills has true potential in SC2. I wasnt sure but after WCS i think I am, we are in for a fun end to the year :D
I dunno, I saw some pretty iffy unit control from JD.
They all have shown it, but I think most of it stems from lack of routine that develops with a few years of practice + being confused and having to think more slowly and make large-scale decisions on the spot.
where small armies with 3 tanks and a handful vultures could do crazy things...
also funny how artosis says eyedra and chill says idra like today :D
edit: i like the faster pace of sc2 but that we only see deathballs is sad
nevermind my friend, the kespa players are showing that BW level skills has true potential in SC2. I wasnt sure but after WCS i think I am, we are in for a fun end to the year :D
I dunno, I saw some pretty iffy unit control from JD.
Can only go up from here.
Oh I don't doubt they'll be amazing at some point, I just haven't seen anything all too impressive so far.
where small armies with 3 tanks and a handful vultures could do crazy things...
also funny how artosis says eyedra and chill says idra like today :D
edit: i like the faster pace of sc2 but that we only see deathballs is sad
nevermind my friend, the kespa players are showing that BW level skills has true potential in SC2. I wasnt sure but after WCS i think I am, we are in for a fun end to the year :D
I am not sure even the Kespa players can manage that. They are improving but their gameplay is pretty much following the current meta but with very good execution. Once they get that down, we might see more innovative play but not sure whether they have enough time before HOTS hits. I think the innovative play will come when HOTS come out and the pros have had enough time to refine their play.
Really odd allin from sting. Bizarre to get strike cannon just to waste energy on rocks... seems like a bad decision. There wouldn't be enough templar energy to feedback everything (and if they did they wouldn't have storm), and strike cannon would have been so useful in that engagement.
Combine that with an absurdly late timing for such a mech allin (nada does that all the time but much earlier attack timings before storm usually) and literally no unit spread whatsoever and sting gets roflstomped on daybreak
where small armies with 3 tanks and a handful vultures could do crazy things...
also funny how artosis says eyedra and chill says idra like today :D
edit: i like the faster pace of sc2 but that we only see deathballs is sad
nevermind my friend, the kespa players are showing that BW level skills has true potential in SC2. I wasnt sure but after WCS i think I am, we are in for a fun end to the year :D
I dunno, I saw some pretty iffy unit control from JD.
Can only go up from here.
Oh I don't doubt they'll be amazing at some point, I just haven't seen anything all too impressive so far.
On August 19 2012 05:01 Darpa wrote: and Naniwa was the most successful foreigner to date at that point.... So calling them unknowns is bizarre.
Um, not even close.
hm, for me TSL3 was one of the first truly international sc2 tournaments were all the different players played against each others. The foreigner underdogs winnig against the koreans surley helped build up the hype. And it was not just the players, it was also very diffrent styles - just remember goodys mech-bulid against nestea, mondragons roaches against anything or thorzains thors.
Today there is nothing special anymore. International tournaments with players from all over the world are standard and so are the most of the playstyles, so for me TSL4 feels more like just "annother online-tournament".
But I don't want to talk it down, TSL is still a very nice and entertaining tournament with great players and games. It just misses the stand-alone-status from before.
On August 19 2012 05:16 -orb- wrote: Really odd allin from sting. Bizarre to get strike cannon just to waste energy on rocks... seems like a bad decision. There wouldn't be enough templar energy to feedback everything (and if they did they wouldn't have storm), and strike cannon would have been so useful in that engagement.
Combine that with an absurdly late timing for such a mech allin (nada does that all the time but much earlier attack timings before storm usually) and literally no unit spread whatsoever and sting gets roflstomped on daybreak
That's exactly what I was thinking... plus, there were plenty of immortals to deal with the thors anyway, so there was almost no need to use feedback on the thors since storming all those marines was really important.
It surely got scouted, and First had plenty of time to prepare, so it was a really weird strategy from Sting.
On August 19 2012 05:18 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: What the hell is happening this TSL? 4000k viewers for Ro8? only a 12 page LR thread, on 3 game.
Well, right now it's Some Guy vs Some Other Guy.
First is not "some guy", and sting is a very underrated yet teamless terran.
The viewer numbers disagree.
95% of the foreign community has no idea who these people are. They'd be watching if this was MKP vs MC. That was my only point, I'm not saying they're not great players.
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
I do want to watch this game, which is why I'm watching it.
I'm just explaining why this stream has such low numbers.
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
yup, first is really sick good
So sad he had to play Alive first round of Code A T_T
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
yup, first is really sick good
So sad he had to play Alive first round of Code A T_T
Agreed, but I reckon he's gonna beast through Code A qualys, he's improved so much since then.
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
yup, first is really sick good
So sad he had to play Alive first round of Code A T_T
Honestly he could have won it but he showed some transitional issues getting brutally mind gamed by alive.
On August 19 2012 05:18 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: What the hell is happening this TSL? 4000k viewers for Ro8? only a 12 page LR thread, on 3 game.
Well, right now it's Some Guy vs Some Other Guy.
First is not "some guy", and sting is a very underrated yet teamless terran.
The viewer numbers disagree.
95% of the foreign community has no idea who these people are. They'd be watching if this was MKP vs MC. That was my only point, I'm not saying they're not great players.
I don't think viewer numbers is a very good defense on that point. I watch very very litle pro scene and I'm familiar with both of these players. Sure there would be more people watching if it was MKP vs MC, but saying "Some Guy vs Some Other Guy" is quite the exaggeration. You also have to consider the following post:
On August 19 2012 05:18 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: What the hell is happening this TSL? 4000 viewers for Ro8? only a 12 page LR thread, on 3 game. edit: retarded.
Because these koreans are also in all the other 58 tournaments that are running. The only difference is that there's a different name written out on the stream. Combine that with the fact that foreigners can't really identify with the korean players because of language barriers and other stuff and there we go.
On August 19 2012 05:25 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: I'm not native English speaking person but wouldn't "Sting is everything but out of this." mean more or less the opposite of what Chill meant to say?
I can never understand why Protoss players always make so many stalkers in situations like that, zealot sentry is much better in a straight up fight against marine marauder
On August 19 2012 05:26 TheFish7 wrote: I can never understand why Protoss players always make so many stalkers in situations like that, zealot sentry is much better in a straight up fight against marine marauder
Medivacs negate forcefields and +1 with stim do well even against GS
On August 19 2012 05:25 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: I'm not native English speaking person but wouldn't "Sting is everything but out of this." mean more or less the opposite of what Chill meant to say?
I assume he meant to say, "All but out of this" which means everything has happened except him to be out. It's not a phrase I'm a big fan of because like this, it's often used wrongly and can be confusing to read.
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
Among the current brand of Protoss, that isn't much of a feat. There's a new one every 3 months and they're all the same (and still not MC level). -_-
On August 19 2012 05:25 Fusilero wrote: GODAMNIT FIRST I WAS JUST HYPING YOU DON'T YOU DARE LOSE LIKE THIS NOW.
First IS awesome, he just needs to stick to his guns, which is very solid late game play and being a defensive master mind. I hope he goes for the macro game the next few maps.
On August 19 2012 05:25 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: I'm not native English speaking person but wouldn't "Sting is everything but out of this." mean more or less the opposite of what Chill meant to say?
I assume he meant to say, "All but out of this" which means everything has happened except him to be out. It's not a phrase I'm a big fan of because like this, it's often used wrongly and can be confusing to read.
"All but out of this" means exactly the opposite of "everything but out of this". Playing fast and loose with idioms doesn't work out too well :D
On August 19 2012 05:25 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: I'm not native English speaking person but wouldn't "Sting is everything but out of this." mean more or less the opposite of what Chill meant to say?
I assume he meant to say, "All but out of this" which means everything has happened except him to be out. It's not a phrase I'm a big fan of because like this, it's often used wrongly and can be confusing to read.
"All but out of this" means exactly the opposite of "everything but out of this". Playing fast and loose with idioms doesn't work out too well :D
Yeah, like I said it's a dumb phrase. I hate it when they use it in Sports.
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
Among the current brand of Protoss, that isn't much of a feat. There's a new one every 3 months and they're all the same (and still not MC level). -_-
Lol I could take that statement and apply it to any race, replacing MC with MVP/DRG/Nestea/whatever. Haters gonna hate.
On August 19 2012 05:29 Rain.100 wrote: that hold was sick
Why?
I think it was more of First overcommitting than Sting doing anything particularly spectacular. He pulled scvs, and his marine/ medivacs killed the gateway army, as it should have happened.
First should have forcefield-split half of Sting's army as Sting was trying to move down his ramp into his own natural.
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
Among the current brand of Protoss, that isn't much of a feat. There's a new one every 3 months and they're all the same (and still not MC level). -_-
First seems much more reliable than squirtle. hero and parting I believe that he has the skill and smarts to vary himself to reach seed/MC level in time.
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
Among the current brand of Protoss, that isn't much of a feat. There's a new one every 3 months and they're all the same (and still not MC level). -_-
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
Among the current brand of Protoss, that isn't much of a feat. There's a new one every 3 months and they're all the same (and still not MC level). -_-
First seems much more reliable than squirtle. hero and parting I believe that he has the skill and smarts to vary himself to reach seed/MC level in time.
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
Among the current brand of Protoss, that isn't much of a feat. There's a new one every 3 months and they're all the same (and still not MC level). -_-
Seed? He seems to be at least on MC's level.
Agreed, I believe Seed has the personality and will (skill anyways) to join the ranks of the multiple-time champions. I believe we will see a lot more from him.
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
Among the current brand of Protoss, that isn't much of a feat. There's a new one every 3 months and they're all the same (and still not MC level). -_-
Seed? He seems to be at least on MC's level.
At this point it's pretty clear you can say that MC is not on Seed's level. >_>
On August 19 2012 05:29 Rain.100 wrote: that hold was sick
Why?
I think it was more of First overcommitting than Sting doing anything particularly spectacular. He pulled scvs, and his marine/ medivacs killed the gateway army, as it should have happened.
First should have forcefield-split half of Sting's army as Sting was trying to move down his ramp into his own natural.
Yes, I think he was caught off guard when Sting moved down. And his sentry wasn't in range to FF the ramp.
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
Among the current brand of Protoss, that isn't much of a feat. There's a new one every 3 months and they're all the same (and still not MC level). -_-
First seems much more reliable than squirtle. hero and parting I believe that he has the skill and smarts to vary himself to reach seed/MC level in time.
BTW this doesn't mean anything.
Well I mean it's like first won't have any silly chokes which end in disaster like the 3 protosses I listed.
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
Among the current brand of Protoss, that isn't much of a feat. There's a new one every 3 months and they're all the same (and still not MC level). -_-
First seems much more reliable than squirtle. hero and parting I believe that he has the skill and smarts to vary himself to reach seed/MC level in time.
BTW this doesn't mean anything.
Well I mean it's like first won't have any silly chokes which end in disaster like the 3 protosses I listed.
We just saw a silly choke that ended in disaster. Every player experiences this multiple times in their career, including MC.
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
Among the current brand of Protoss, that isn't much of a feat. There's a new one every 3 months and they're all the same (and still not MC level). -_-
First seems much more reliable than squirtle. hero and parting I believe that he has the skill and smarts to vary himself to reach seed/MC level in time.
BTW this doesn't mean anything.
Well I mean it's like first won't have any silly chokes which end in disaster like the 3 protosses I listed.
We just saw a silly choke that ended in disaster. Every player experiences this multiple times in their career, including MC.
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
Among the current brand of Protoss, that isn't much of a feat. There's a new one every 3 months and they're all the same (and still not MC level). -_-
First seems much more reliable than squirtle. hero and parting I believe that he has the skill and smarts to vary himself to reach seed/MC level in time.
BTW this doesn't mean anything.
Well I mean it's like first won't have any silly chokes which end in disaster like the 3 protosses I listed.
We just saw a silly choke that ended in disaster. Every player experiences this multiple times in their career, including MC.
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
Among the current brand of Protoss, that isn't much of a feat. There's a new one every 3 months and they're all the same (and still not MC level). -_-
First seems much more reliable than squirtle. hero and parting I believe that he has the skill and smarts to vary himself to reach seed/MC level in time.
BTW this doesn't mean anything.
Well I mean it's like first won't have any silly chokes which end in disaster like the 3 protosses I listed.
We just saw a silly choke that ended in disaster. Every player experiences this multiple times in their career, including MC.
First won't do it as much as others.
Which is unprovable until his career is finished...
where small armies with 3 tanks and a handful vultures could do crazy things...
also funny how artosis says eyedra and chill says idra like today :D
edit: i like the faster pace of sc2 but that we only see deathballs is sad
nevermind my friend, the kespa players are showing that BW level skills has true potential in SC2. I wasnt sure but after WCS i think I am, we are in for a fun end to the year :D
♥ such a heart warming
ye i think we have great times to come
and i hope blizz is overthinking some things for HOTS and LOTV
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
Among the current brand of Protoss, that isn't much of a feat. There's a new one every 3 months and they're all the same (and still not MC level). -_-
First seems much more reliable than squirtle. hero and parting I believe that he has the skill and smarts to vary himself to reach seed/MC level in time.
BTW this doesn't mean anything.
Well I mean it's like first won't have any silly chokes which end in disaster like the 3 protosses I listed.
We just saw a silly choke that ended in disaster. Every player experiences this multiple times in their career, including MC.
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
Among the current brand of Protoss, that isn't much of a feat. There's a new one every 3 months and they're all the same (and still not MC level). -_-
First seems much more reliable than squirtle. hero and parting I believe that he has the skill and smarts to vary himself to reach seed/MC level in time.
BTW this doesn't mean anything.
Well I mean it's like first won't have any silly chokes which end in disaster like the 3 protosses I listed.
We just saw a silly choke that ended in disaster. Every player experiences this multiple times in their career, including MC.
First won't do it as much as others.
Which is unprovable until his career is finished...
Call it an educated guess by an avid SC2-follower then. I also agree with Fusilero.
On August 19 2012 05:22 Fusilero wrote: First could easily become one of the absolute top protosses in the world I don't see why you wouldn't want to watch him.
Among the current brand of Protoss, that isn't much of a feat. There's a new one every 3 months and they're all the same (and still not MC level). -_-
First seems much more reliable than squirtle. hero and parting I believe that he has the skill and smarts to vary himself to reach seed/MC level in time.
BTW this doesn't mean anything.
Well I mean it's like first won't have any silly chokes which end in disaster like the 3 protosses I listed.
We just saw a silly choke that ended in disaster. Every player experiences this multiple times in their career, including MC.
First won't do it as much as others.
Which is unprovable until his career is finished...
Call it an educated guess by an avid SC2-follower then. I also agree with Fusilero.
I'll reserve my opinion until he hits the sophomore wall. How he recovers will determine his legacy.
On August 19 2012 05:14 yeint wrote: Gonna have to agree. Whenever I see a Terran open with some banshee nonsense these days I can rest assured they're going to lose.
On August 19 2012 05:43 Fragile51 wrote: Well this looked like the one of everything build, which contrary to what artosis told me didn't kill everything D:
He forgot the Raven and the Reaper, very essential parts of the one of everything build.
On August 19 2012 05:43 Fragile51 wrote: Well this looked like the one of everything build, which contrary to what artosis told me didn't kill everything D:
On August 19 2012 05:29 Rain.100 wrote: that hold was sick
Why?
I think it was more of First overcommitting than Sting doing anything particularly spectacular. He pulled scvs, and his marine/ medivacs killed the gateway army, as it should have happened.
First should have forcefield-split half of Sting's army as Sting was trying to move down his ramp into his own natural.
yeah but sting didnt let that happen. just before he moved down his ramp he killed firsts observer with a very important scan and knew that he could only use this 1 specific timing to attack. scans were game deciding at that moment because he didnt have lots of scvs so it was a nice hold in my opinion. also pulling scvs at the right moment and so on
... Is Sting just throwing this away? I guess First is really amazing at Standard PvT but why is Sting doing age old cheese builds/builds that don't work anymore?
On August 19 2012 05:43 Fragile51 wrote: Well this looked like the one of everything build, which contrary to what artosis told me didn't kill everything D:
That was a very delay 1-1-1... Even a tight 1-1-1 build gets shut down with proper reaction. A delay one almost has no chance.
On August 19 2012 05:43 Fragile51 wrote: Well this looked like the one of everything build, which contrary to what artosis told me didn't kill everything D:
On August 19 2012 05:43 Fragile51 wrote: Well this looked like the one of everything build, which contrary to what artosis told me didn't kill everything D:
On August 19 2012 05:14 yeint wrote: Gonna have to agree. Whenever I see a Terran open with some banshee nonsense these days I can rest assured they're going to lose.
On August 19 2012 05:43 Fragile51 wrote: Well this looked like the one of everything build, which contrary to what artosis told me didn't kill everything D:
On August 19 2012 05:14 yeint wrote: Gonna have to agree. Whenever I see a Terran open with some banshee nonsense these days I can rest assured they're going to lose.
On August 19 2012 05:14 yeint wrote: Gonna have to agree. Whenever I see a Terran open with some banshee nonsense these days I can rest assured they're going to lose.
Quoting myself for renewed relevance.
Time to get another beer and pray for a 1 rax FE.
lets see what happens this time!
First always gets a robo immediately, banshees are particularly bad against him imo. Sting either didn't do a good job scouting him out or tried to outsmart him by guessing he wouldn't do it this series.
On August 19 2012 05:43 Fragile51 wrote: Well this looked like the one of everything build, which contrary to what artosis told me didn't kill everything D:
Would have loved to see phoenix open on this map, especially after scouting close air positions. But First should be able to deal with these nonetheless
On August 19 2012 05:14 yeint wrote: Gonna have to agree. Whenever I see a Terran open with some banshee nonsense these days I can rest assured they're going to lose.
Quoting myself for renewed relevance.
Time to get another beer and pray for a 1 rax FE.
lets see what happens this time!
Colossus roasts marines, siege won't be ready, gg.
On August 19 2012 05:14 yeint wrote: Gonna have to agree. Whenever I see a Terran open with some banshee nonsense these days I can rest assured they're going to lose.
the funny thing is, hadn't he gone for the base race but instead attacked from two sides at the moment the 2nd colossus popped (with probe pull) he would have hold.
On August 19 2012 05:14 yeint wrote: Gonna have to agree. Whenever I see a Terran open with some banshee nonsense these days I can rest assured they're going to lose.
On August 19 2012 06:00 ACrow wrote: the funny thing is, hadn't he gone for the base race but instead attacked from two sides at the moment the 2nd colossus popped (with probe pull) he would have hold.
I always feel like the Protoss who decides to base race a Terran is about halfway towards the opponents base when he suddenly goes "wait he can lift buildings. fuck".
On August 19 2012 06:00 vthree wrote: Not sure why First wasn't prepared for that push. Did the banshees do THAT much damage?
1 base T pushes are still very dangerous on close air positions on Metropolis. At some MLG Arena MKP did them to every toss he faced and was very succesful with it.
On August 19 2012 05:43 Fragile51 wrote: Well this looked like the one of everything build, which contrary to what artosis told me didn't kill everything D:
Oh my god I've never seen that before. Artosis sounds so annoyed
Browse through all of the SotG clips on YouTube.
The one about the bunker patch where Gretorp doesn't realize he's being trolled, and then everyone goes off on crazy tangents had me gasping in air, I was laughing so hard.
On August 19 2012 05:14 yeint wrote: Gonna have to agree. Whenever I see a Terran open with some banshee nonsense these days I can rest assured they're going to lose.
On August 19 2012 05:14 yeint wrote: Gonna have to agree. Whenever I see a Terran open with some banshee nonsense these days I can rest assured they're going to lose.
On August 19 2012 05:43 Fragile51 wrote: Well this looked like the one of everything build, which contrary to what artosis told me didn't kill everything D:
Oh my god I've never seen that before. Artosis sounds so annoyed
Browse through all of the SotG clips on YouTube.
The one about the bunker patch where Gretorp doesn't realize he's being trolled, and then everyone goes off on crazy tangents had me gasping in air, I was laughing so hard.
On August 19 2012 05:43 Fragile51 wrote: Well this looked like the one of everything build, which contrary to what artosis told me didn't kill everything D:
Oh my god I've never seen that before. Artosis sounds so annoyed
Browse through all of the SotG clips on YouTube.
The one about the bunker patch where Gretorp doesn't realize he's being trolled, and then everyone goes off on crazy tangents had me gasping in air, I was laughing so hard.
Hmm, not the most impressive win ever, but one credit Sting deserves was indeed preparation. And seeing so many players completely neglect preparation in TSL4 and playing it like ladder / random online cup, I'm actually happy that somebody earned their wins that way and got this far.
On August 19 2012 06:17 RHoudini wrote: Great tactical series by Sting, very well played BO7.
Exactly, I think alot of people are judging the games as single games rather than as a group. First was quite clearly under huge mental strain by the end of it, never truly knowing what Sting would throw at him.
Maybe sloppy, but Sting played differently basically every game and really threw First off. Even if his mechanics weren't super crazy he really played the series well.
first did really good, he could've won games 5 and 3 and it easily could've been 4-1 for him. The fact that sting needs to all-in him all the time shows how scared he is playing him straight up. Plus sting beat him 3-0 in the qualifiers, so it shows first is improving.
If it was intentional, Hack did something very clever. He had two mules on the near patches in his expo. When Creator's stalkers poked in, he saw the mules and thus would have no reason to believe there's a hidden base.
There's a feeling I get from creator, from his interviews and his plays creator takes TSL as seriously as most Koreans would the GSL. It may just be me but looking at him in comparison to others creator wants this more than anyone else.
On August 19 2012 06:34 Fusilero wrote: There's a feeling I get from creator, from his interviews and his plays creator takes TSL as seriously as most Koreans would the GSL. It may just be me but looking at him in comparison to others creator wants this more than anyone else.
Actually a lot of the Koreans seem to say that they're preparing extensively for this tournament o:
On August 19 2012 06:36 sVnteen wrote: sorry for the stupid question but I can't find it anywhere not even on liquipediy what was the score of sting vs first?
On August 19 2012 06:36 sVnteen wrote: sorry for the stupid question but I can't find it anywhere not even on liquipediy what was the score of sting vs first?
On August 19 2012 06:36 sVnteen wrote: sorry for the stupid question but I can't find it anywhere not even on liquipediy what was the score of sting vs first?
On August 19 2012 06:34 Fusilero wrote: There's a feeling I get from creator, from his interviews and his plays creator takes TSL as seriously as most Koreans would the GSL. It may just be me but looking at him in comparison to others creator wants this more than anyone else.
If CJ Entus were making their B-Teamers help practice with Idra for it I'm sure it's similar now. Any Tournament that allows for preparation works really well for team-house situations.
On August 19 2012 06:36 sVnteen wrote: sorry for the stupid question but I can't find it anywhere not even on liquipediy what was the score of sting vs first?
If you can open the pending changes page you can find it there. For some reason I can't accept the changes, and so the published page remains out of date. I guess the powers that be have prevented general access to the TSL page for some reason, and then you get problems like this....
On August 19 2012 06:34 FreudianTrip wrote: Are we seeing a Korean meta at work here? How are these Protosses thinking to scout there?
Marine count was too low so he knew there had to be another CC somewhere.
That probably doesn't help, but it's not a definite tip. He could have been going banshee followup (1 port or 2) instead. Creator couldn't count that out either because his first obs was sniped entering Hack's base. Still makes you suspicious though.
On August 19 2012 06:34 FreudianTrip wrote: Are we seeing a Korean meta at work here? How are these Protosses thinking to scout there?
Marine count was too low so he knew there had to be another CC somewhere.
That probably doesn't help, but it's not a definite tip. He could have been going banshee followup (1 port or 2) instead. Creator couldn't count that out either because his first obs was sniped entering Hack's base. Still makes you suspicious though.
Well he got suspicious at first from the marine count, then when the push came without banshees he knew something was up.
On August 19 2012 06:34 FreudianTrip wrote: Are we seeing a Korean meta at work here? How are these Protosses thinking to scout there?
Marine count was too low so he knew there had to be another CC somewhere.
That probably doesn't help, but it's not a definite tip. He could have been going banshee followup (1 port or 2) instead. Creator couldn't count that out either because his first obs was sniped entering Hack's base. Still makes you suspicious though.
But like you said, it is about the 'possibility'. The low marine count makes a few possible options so you have to prepare for them. first also checked in his first game but was unlucky that he scouted the wrong expansion first.
On August 19 2012 06:34 FreudianTrip wrote: Are we seeing a Korean meta at work here? How are these Protosses thinking to scout there?
Marine count was too low so he knew there had to be another CC somewhere.
That probably doesn't help, but it's not a definite tip. He could have been going banshee followup (1 port or 2) instead. Creator couldn't count that out either because his first obs was sniped entering Hack's base. Still makes you suspicious though.
it's more important to go through a process of elimination with your information rather than making guesses that can backfire.
the worst that happens is that the probe makes a pylon on the right side.
On August 19 2012 06:48 Whitewing wrote: Hack and Bomber best terrans on startale? ST doesn't have that many, but I think Virus is more consistently good.
I thought Virus was going to actually get good after his ro32 performance in GSL in I think season 2 this year but he dropped off again right after that.
On August 19 2012 06:48 Whitewing wrote: Hack and Bomber best terrans on startale? ST doesn't have that many, but I think Virus is more consistently good.
Yeah, poor Virus is easy to overlook. Though, if Bomber is in a good mood, he is easily better than Virus (even than most T), but alas, he is so unreliable.
On August 19 2012 06:36 sVnteen wrote: sorry for the stupid question but I can't find it anywhere not even on liquipediy what was the score of sting vs first?
On August 19 2012 06:48 Whitewing wrote: Hack and Bomber best terrans on startale? ST doesn't have that many, but I think Virus is more consistently good.
Yeah, poor Virus is easy to overlook. Though, if Bomber is in a good mood, he is easily better than Virus (even than most T), but alas, he is so unreliable.
I dunno, during GSL 2 imo virus looked better than bomber it's just he's faceplanted since then.
On August 19 2012 06:48 Whitewing wrote: Hack and Bomber best terrans on startale? ST doesn't have that many, but I think Virus is more consistently good.
Not sure about Virus, he did lose to Shine 2-0, who is basically an unknown (and still is).
To be fair, Shine is a Code S candidate, so he isn't necessarily bad.
On August 19 2012 06:48 Whitewing wrote: Hack and Bomber best terrans on startale? ST doesn't have that many, but I think Virus is more consistently good.
Not sure about Virus, he did lose to Shine 2-0, who is basically an unknown (and still is).
Yeah but Shine is good and I think his ZvT is his best mu I think
On August 19 2012 06:48 Whitewing wrote: Hack and Bomber best terrans on startale? ST doesn't have that many, but I think Virus is more consistently good.
Not sure about Virus, he did lose to Shine 2-0, who is basically an unknown (and still is).
He's solid from what I've seen, at least decent code A and could scrape his way into code S at some point his control can leave much to be desired though as he can sometimes foreigner it with random a moving but people think he's a patchzerg.
On August 19 2012 06:34 FreudianTrip wrote: Are we seeing a Korean meta at work here? How are these Protosses thinking to scout there?
Marine count was too low so he knew there had to be another CC somewhere.
That probably doesn't help, but it's not a definite tip. He could have been going banshee followup (1 port or 2) instead. Creator couldn't count that out either because his first obs was sniped entering Hack's base. Still makes you suspicious though.
Well he got suspicious at first from the marine count, then when the push came without banshees he knew something was up.
Right. By all means he should have been suspicious of the low marine count, but you said he knew there had to be another CC somewhere. He couldn't have known for sure, but definitely a good possibility. Just as you noted though, he didn't know until shortly after when the push came and didn't include banshees, which is when he then went to scout for it.
On August 19 2012 06:34 FreudianTrip wrote: Are we seeing a Korean meta at work here? How are these Protosses thinking to scout there?
Marine count was too low so he knew there had to be another CC somewhere.
That probably doesn't help, but it's not a definite tip. He could have been going banshee followup (1 port or 2) instead. Creator couldn't count that out either because his first obs was sniped entering Hack's base. Still makes you suspicious though.
But like you said, it is about the 'possibility'. The low marine count makes a few possible options so you have to prepare for them. first also checked in his first game but was unlucky that he scouted the wrong expansion first.
On August 19 2012 06:34 FreudianTrip wrote: Are we seeing a Korean meta at work here? How are these Protosses thinking to scout there?
Marine count was too low so he knew there had to be another CC somewhere.
That probably doesn't help, but it's not a definite tip. He could have been going banshee followup (1 port or 2) instead. Creator couldn't count that out either because his first obs was sniped entering Hack's base. Still makes you suspicious though.
it's more important to go through a process of elimination with your information rather than making guesses that can backfire.
the worst that happens is that the probe makes a pylon on the right side.
For sure. I just wanted to note that he couldn't conclude a hidden expo definitely until shortly after, but there was sure a good possibility.
On August 19 2012 06:48 Whitewing wrote: Hack and Bomber best terrans on startale? ST doesn't have that many, but I think Virus is more consistently good.
Not sure about Virus, he did lose to Shine 2-0, who is basically an unknown (and still is).
He's solid from what I've seen, at least decent code A and could scrape his way into code S at some point his control can leave much to be desired though as he can sometimes foreigner it with random a moving but people think he's a patchzerg.
Well, at least Virus is known for having great TvP, and Hack seems to be playing awful these games. Creator is rolling him right now, and he's pretty damn dead this game.
In an even game, Terran would be maxed right now to Creator's 170 supply not be 20 supply behind.
Well, Hack seemed underwhelming. His attacks this game were really bad, just seemed completely arbitrary, and at really bad timings with bad execution. He deserved to lose.
Creator is so good. I love spending my time watching him play. I just wish he wasn't so good cause there is a really annoying and stupid thought in the back of my head that he is cheating.-.-
On August 19 2012 07:00 Talin wrote: Of course it doesn't matter, it never does. :/
haha, you sound like a big creator anti, how come man?
Someone who doesn't ever bother/need to control his units individually (or at all) isn't going to be high on my fan list. :/
How on earth is he on the same team as MKP =p
To be fair, his style makes sense playing against MKP/Ghostking. Make micro not matter seems smart vs those players.
Everything he does makes perfect sense and is great and all. The problem I have is that it just shouldn't be possible to win just by having the right units positioned in the right places. :/
well tomorrow the last foreigner will play so more people will most likely look at that (hopefully). Also Creator stomping Hack isn't the most interesting match to stay up late for
12k isn't that bad though, is it? better than most IPL and NASL, etc viewers that i see fwiw it's quite early for me, TSL4 starts at 4am on sundays and mondays haha
On August 19 2012 07:29 Leonite7 wrote: I like the TSL as it is. A nice calm relaxing evening watching TSL sitting in bed while drinking lemonade and pretending it's champagne.
I like it too, I just wish I hadn't have seen a whole day of IEM already. I woke up at 10 and started watching starcraft, it's now 13 hours later and I really want to do something else like play but I can't bring myself to stop watching! >_<
It really makes you wonder what the guy was thinking when he thought that W was UU and not VV and how he managed to convince the others. That's some sleep-losing stuff right there.
On August 19 2012 07:35 Zarahtra wrote: Bit sad to watch this series as a terran. Such a beatdown, Creator is just so much better :/
its not the best from a protoss side of view either. It looks to me like Hack have done at least 1 really bad attack every game and that really does not work against someone as good as Creator
btw if I recall hack and creator have some degree of familiarity with each other, so I imagine hack's doing of all these funky strats is since he knows he's fucked in a straight up game
On August 19 2012 07:39 Hypemeup wrote: Creator really shows how bad-ass Zealots are even with little micro.
Thinking Creator TSL4 Champion.
It wasn't the zealots, it was Hack attacking at terrible times vs. an army he couldn't beat, the actually committing to the attack and throwing the army away, and getting way behind. Then he was just playing from behind against creator from that point on.
Curious I believe have the best chance against Creator but I still think Creator is the strongest player standing in TSL4 but you never know what will happen
On August 19 2012 07:39 Hypemeup wrote: Creator really shows how bad-ass Zealots are even with little micro.
Thinking Creator TSL4 Champion.
It wasn't the zealots, it was Hack attacking at terrible times vs. an army he couldn't beat, the actually committing to the attack and throwing the army away, and getting way behind. Then he was just playing from behind against creator from that point on.
Those were bad, but imo the worst thing I saw from his play were the hot pickups. It is kind of expected of these korean pros to be able to save most/all their bio with medivacs when they drop. Most the time Hack just unloaded his units into zlots and flew away with the medivacs empty leaving me going "errr wtf?".
Sad, I was hoping to see Hack go further in the tournament. Oh well, Creator is fun to watch too. What a funny/strange way to close out the day for TSL....Go Gangnam Style.
I had the games in the background while grinding UMVC3 combos, sounded like Creator smashed some faces hardcore. That kid is going to take it all, he's stupidly good.
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