• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 15:08
CET 21:08
KST 05:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT25Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book18Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0241LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker16
StarCraft 2
General
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Liquipedia WCS Portal Launched Kaelaris on the futue of SC2 and much more...
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) How do the "codes" work in GSL? LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare Mutation # 512 Overclocked
Brood War
General
CasterMuse Youtube A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone A new season just kicks off Recent recommended BW games BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [LIVE] [S:21] ASL Season Open Day 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Fighting Spirit mining rates Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread New broswer game : STG-World Diablo 2 thread ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Mexico's Drug War Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Ask and answer stupid questions here!
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1401 users

[TSL] Ro8 Day 1 Preview

Forum Index > News
18 CommentsPost a Reply

[TSL] Ro8 Day 1 Preview

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
August 18th, 2012 10:04 GMT
  • First vs Sting
  • Creator vs Hack
  • Liquipedia
  • Website


LG-IM_First vs Sting

[image loading] (P)LG-IM_First < Cloud Kingdom > [image loading] (T)Sting
[image loading] (P)LG-IM_First < Daybreak > [image loading] (T)Sting
[image loading] (P)LG-IM_First < Ohana > [image loading] (T)Sting
[image loading] (P)LG-IM_First < Antiga Shipyard > [image loading] (T)Sting
[image loading] (P)LG-IM_First < Metropolis > [image loading] (T)Sting
[image loading] (P)LG-IM_First < Entombed Valley > [image loading] (T)Sting
[image loading] (P)LG-IM_First < Cloud Kingdom > [image loading] (T)Sting

Last week we got to watch First cap off a great weekend for LG-IM after he defeated the IPL TAC MVP, Taeja. In doing so he proved Taeja was human and put himself on the radar as one of the remaining heavyweights in the TSL. What is really important to note about this series is that First changed up his normal style of templar first with upgrades into a colossus heavy style specifically tailored to counter Taeja. What this shows is that if First is able to prepare for an opponent he could take down any player in the world, including any player left in the TSL.

While First has made himself ‘the man to beat’, Sting probably couldn’t be any further from this. The former NSHoSeo player has cruised through his two previous opponents – Beastyqt and Darkforce – without any real difficulty. So little difficulty, in fact, that he isn’t on anyone’s radar. Indeed Sting has no other tournament commitments at the moment and consequently very few people have bothered to study his playstyle, and well, there isn’t much information out there about him anyway. To give you an idea about how under the radar he is, his only recent tournament participation has been ESV Grand Prix and the TSL Qualifiers.

So what can we expect from this series? First traditionally prefers his templar play, as alluded to earlier, typically with fast +1 armor and adding a second forge when that is done. What is clear about First's play is that once he’s in a position he is comfortable with then he truly excels. He very rarely loses a game once he gets to that point. His series against Taeja isn’t really representative of that; traditionally First only really used colossus as a two base all in rather than a playstyle. So the longer games didn’t really play out in a way that screams ‘LG-IM.First played this game’ and didn't showcase his ability to control the game when he is playing in his element.

Sting could be a big problem for First because there isn’t much information out there about him. There are some things, however, that we do know. Sting is more aggressive than your average Terran, in fact, I would go so far as to say he plays a dirty style of TvP. What does that mean? It means he is willing to do whatever it takes to win the game getting ‘down and dirty’ if he needs to – more often than not with some kind of cheese or timing attack. Some of his favorite builds include the hellion/marauder timing attack and the 5 rax marauder/marine timing attack.

Incidentally, First and Sting met in the finals of a TSL qualifier and this might give us some indication about how the series is going to play out. Sting defeated First 3-0 in this final. The games played out as you might expect from this preview; Sting got right into Firsts face with proxy marauder, hellion/marauder and a 5 rax timing and won decisively. Sting never let First get into his rhythm, and that is why the series looked so one sided. If Sting had let First get into his rhythm the score might have looked very different. The sticking point of the upcoming series will be if the game goes into a ‘normal’ game or not. A normal game would favor First, but anything else would work to Sting's advantage.

Ro16 in Pictures



CreatorPrime vs ST_Hack


kr (P)CreatorPrime < Cloud Kingdom > kr (T)Startale_Hack
kr (P)CreatorPrime < Ohana > kr (T)Startale_Hack
kr (P)CreatorPrime < Antiga Shipyard > kr (T)Startale_Hack
kr (P)CreatorPrime < Daybreak > kr (T)Startale_Hack
kr (P)CreatorPrime < Entombed Valley > kr (T)Startale_Hack
kr (P)CreatorPrime < Metropolis > kr (T)Startale_Hack
kr (P)CreatorPrime < Cloud Kingdom > kr (T)Startale_Hack


Although Creator now claims that PvZ is his best match-up and PvP is statistically his best match-up, it was Creator's PvT that first brought widespread attention to the 15 year old prodigy. Creator made his first big splash onto the Starcraft 2 scene when Prime was down 4-1 in the semifinals of GSTL against TSL. No one thought this newbie could do it, but amazingly he took out the entirety of TSL's then Terran-dominated lineup, including Clide, Heart, Alive, and Revival. Perhaps even more impressively, however, Creator used the same exact build against each Terran opponent, and even when these Terrans knew exactly what Creator was going to do to the tee, they could do nothing to stop the avalanche of skill. And so, both Creator and the CreatorPrime build were forever immortalized. The very next day, Genius copied the build and used it to take two wins off of NSH's best Terrans. And after that, almost every top Protoss player including Hero, Brown, Squirtle, Alicia, Vines, MacSed, Vines, Puzzle, Sage, and most recently, even GSL champion Seed has used the build to great success.

Still, none do it better than Creator, as he has currently at least a 10-3 record with the build. And while he does not use the exact build nearly as much anymore, he'll almost always default to some version of it after he's stabilized into a macro game. For example, in two of his three games versus Select in the round of 32, we saw some unique opening into some iteration of robo into 2 forge into twilight into blink into robo bay into archons, just standard Creator.

And Hack, while he is probably not as successful as Creator, seems to just be omnipresent in the scene. He is that guy who qualifies for and plays in just about everything, but never really gets too far in anything big. He first burst onto the scene by winning TLOpen after TLOpen, and then managed to all-kill an inexperienced and fledgling FXO. He has since played in many ESV tournaments, but only made the finals once where he lost 0-4. He plays for Startale in many team leagues, but never really takes more than small number of kills we expect from him. He is regularly in Code A or on the cusp of Code A, but never makes it too far, and even lost to JYP's PvT last season. Impressively though, he took a prestigious round of 32 WCS Korea qualifier spot. But then again, he quickly exited the tournament by taking a forfeit win off of MC and losing to both Roro and Miya. And he did not even win a TSL4 qualifier, but rather, true to his nature, qualified to the TSL with points instead.

While Hack has beaten two rather passive European Protosses in Mana and Hasuobs on his way to the round of 8 , he now faces the king of solid passive play in Creator. Against these previous two Protosses, Hack employed strange early game timings to obtain substantial early game advantages, riding these advantages to easy wins, and going a combined 6-1 against the Mouz players. The one time these early aggressive moves did not work, against Hasuobs on Metropolis, Hack just fell apart, demonstrating on how much he depends on crippling a Protoss opponent early on. Against Creator, however, the Protoss king of ladder who once held ranks 1, 2, 3, AND 66 on the Korean ladder at the very same time, it will be hard to pull off any new and surprising tactics.

Strangely, these two actually met on their way to the TSL. In the third Korean TSL qualifier, Creator and Hack clashed in the finals, producing both some of the most epic and the most lackluster PvTs we've ever seen. Most interesting was Hack's mech play he employed in a few games, something that gave even Creator a bit of trouble. But since then, Hack has not shown any hint of mech play and Creator implied in his last TSL interview that he hasn't seen mech from anyone else recently and does not expect it form Hack this time. Unless Hack has been saving strategies in anticipation of meeting Creator in the quarterfinals, these games should go rather predictably: funky early aggression into standard bio play from Hack, and passive play, mixed with some gateway pressure from Creator. Rather than a battle of wits, this will be a battle of execution.

CreatorPrime and Startale_Hack now meet, each player at a different point in his career. With Hack seems to continually struggle to separate himself from the pack of middling Korean Terrans, Creator has been slowly, but steadily making a rise to the very top. With the tournament drawing out to a close, and top competitors, Squirtle and Taeja, already eliminated, one can't help but wonder if Hack is just a mere stepping stone for Creator. Will TSL4 be for Creator as TSL3 was for Thorzain? That is, will we look back someday, and remember TSL as tournament where Creator finally broke out and became widely regarded as a top player? Or will he continue to under-perform and only have the very hipster-iest of fans, those who truly and deeply follow the scene.

Ro16 in Pictures







Sponsors:
sponsor
TwitchTV is the world’s largest video game entertainment and chat community. TwitchTV features the top gaming personalities, players, tournaments and commentary, in addition to the most active and interesting discussions around video games. TwitchTV provides publishers and advertisers a platform to create long term engagement and commitment from gamers.

Learn more at www.twitch.tv
sponsor
Razer has been a pioneering supporter of e-Sports since its conception. It is in our blood and we are driven to further the culture of professional gaming in all that we do. We work hand in hand with our pros to forge weaponry for the players who stake their livelihood on podium placements. Our gear is designed to perform flawlessly in high-stress tournament conditions where winning is everything and mistakes cost championships. Those who compete with our equipment will attest – We live by our words: For Gamers. By Gamers.

For more information, please visit www.razerzone.com



Art by:

sponsor


Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
August 18 2012 10:13 GMT
#2
So amped I can't wait !
Team Overklocked Gaming! That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested this claim. - G.C. Lichtenberg
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 18 2012 10:16 GMT
#3
GO CREATOR! <3
more fashion shows~
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Xtreme94
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia282 Posts
August 18 2012 10:18 GMT
#4
Now I realize both are rematch of tsl qualifier finals!
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
August 18 2012 10:22 GMT
#5
First/Creator PLEASE!
scared of too many protoss tho
can i get my estro logo back pls
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
August 18 2012 11:09 GMT
#6
sting, craetor
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
VariousTence
Profile Joined August 2011
Belgium68 Posts
August 18 2012 12:49 GMT
#7
Go First! Make LG-IM proud! like you did in MLG Summer Arena!!
Incredible Miracle for my life! :D
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 18 2012 13:12 GMT
#8
Be my hero, Hack. Don't let me down like everyone else did this TSL. -_-
laerteis
Profile Joined August 2012
United States78 Posts
August 18 2012 13:50 GMT
#9
Creator 3:0 Hack
First 3: 1 Sting

I really hope I'm wrong. In a perfect world Hack would revolutionize the TvP meta with brilliant mech play and Sting avenges Taeja.

But I'd bet my TL hoodie and the charred remnants of my soul that Creator advances.
support Axiom eSports http://www.axiomesports.com/
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
August 18 2012 14:30 GMT
#10
Go Hack! Get some revenge for Creator defeating you in the qualifiers!
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50632 Posts
August 18 2012 15:10 GMT
#11
hack and anyppi(first)
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Giga
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United Kingdom114 Posts
August 18 2012 17:28 GMT
#12
Gogo Creatorr! So good especially for his age.
은하
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
August 18 2012 18:14 GMT
#13
wow, TSL being delayed pretty long for IEM Cologne i guess. Couldn't TL.net have announced that TSL was to be delayed if the IEM broadcast took too long?
Broodwar for life!
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
August 18 2012 18:27 GMT
#14
On August 19 2012 03:14 Cele wrote:
wow, TSL being delayed pretty long for IEM Cologne i guess. Couldn't TL.net have announced that TSL was to be delayed if the IEM broadcast took too long?


Its last week all over again.

I had so much fun watching TSL3, so I am sad that I can only watch 10% of TSL4 because someone on TL decided 11pm-4am is better time than 7pm-11pm.
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
August 18 2012 18:39 GMT
#15
I'm gonna go with Creator and First.
Maybe, Sting could win though.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 18 2012 18:54 GMT
#16
Come on Hack mech for me pls
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 18 2012 23:47 GMT
#17
wooo creator~
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
August 19 2012 02:56 GMT
#18
i'm pretty sad this didn't even get 1 page in comments =(
Moderator
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 19 2012 06:54 GMT
#19
On August 19 2012 11:56 NrGmonk wrote:
i'm pretty sad this didn't even get 1 page in comments =(

it didn't get featured though did it? IEM was always the big article
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
17:00
#41
RotterdaM1383
TKL 618
IndyStarCraft 285
SteadfastSC253
BRAT_OK 197
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1383
TKL 618
IndyStarCraft 285
SteadfastSC 253
BRAT_OK 197
ProTech144
UpATreeSC 108
Livibee 79
JuggernautJason65
StarCraft: Brood War
ggaemo 106
nyoken 1
Dota 2
Gorgc7134
canceldota39
Counter-Strike
adren_tv203
Heroes of the Storm
MindelVK6
Other Games
Grubby3869
FrodaN2428
summit1g701
ceh9663
ToD201
KnowMe179
Liquid`Hasu173
uThermal160
C9.Mang0157
ArmadaUGS134
QueenE98
Dewaltoss82
Trikslyr76
ZombieGrub8
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL882
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 170
• Reevou 4
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 22
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV372
League of Legends
• Nemesis7572
• TFBlade1441
Other Games
• imaqtpie1110
• Shiphtur346
Upcoming Events
OSC
3h 52m
WardiTV Winter Champion…
15h 52m
Replay Cast
1d 12h
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 15h
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
SC Evo Complete
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-22
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS5
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.