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Noc-
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 12:58:33
August 17 2012 12:57 GMT
#1501
On August 17 2012 21:55 Ana_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 21:48 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 17 2012 21:46 Noc- wrote:
On August 17 2012 21:04 Thobrik wrote:
finnish accents <3


Elfi has the worst. Im (we) are always laughing when he speaks english, sounds so funny.

Why do Finnish girls sound kinda more lively than your menfolk btw? A lot of the guys I've met are so dour!


It is Finnish characteristic I would say

edit* and Finnish girls are interested in foreigners...if you know what I mean.


Isnt it the same everywhere you go? Girls like foreigners, well not all of them, but you know what I mean.

Does it even matter who wins Elfi - Slivko? Both are already qualified, right? Well anyways, ELFI GOGO!
SEKO SEKO MMA<3 SEKO SEKO
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7384 Posts
August 17 2012 12:58 GMT
#1502
On August 17 2012 21:56 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 21:55 Zambrah wrote:
On August 17 2012 21:54 Schelim wrote:
seriously, can we just make ZvP illegal in tournaments? i know i'm a bit biased as a terran player, but goddamn it is this matchup boring lately, and i used to enjoy it.


Excluding certain players. :-D (such as HerO)

I think a no colossus/no brood lord gentlemen's agreement would be better.


I'd rather see no Infestors. :-P
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Rain.100
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany946 Posts
August 17 2012 12:58 GMT
#1503
On August 17 2012 21:57 gcruz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 21:54 Schelim wrote:
seriously, can we just make ZvP illegal in tournaments? i know i'm a bit biased as a terran player, but goddamn it is this matchup boring lately, and i used to enjoy it.


id be okay with giving up pvz if TvT is never allowed to be played ever

tvt easily the most entertaining matchup oO
just take a look at gumiho-mma
I have to return some videotapes. Maru and MarineLorD <3
gcruz
Profile Joined January 2011
United States82 Posts
August 17 2012 12:58 GMT
#1504
On August 17 2012 21:56 Doko wrote:
Really starting to wonder if some of these maps are just too big. Every PvZ going into broodlords vs archon toilet is boring as hell. Can't wait for HoTs


I think the answer is to go bigger. Make it be like SC1 with more small engagements, if one player keeps their army together then just counterattack.
BlindKill
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Australia1508 Posts
August 17 2012 13:00 GMT
#1505
On August 17 2012 21:58 gcruz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 21:56 Doko wrote:
Really starting to wonder if some of these maps are just too big. Every PvZ going into broodlords vs archon toilet is boring as hell. Can't wait for HoTs


I think the answer is to go bigger. Make it be like SC1 with more small engagements, if one player keeps their army together then just counterattack.

third base is too safe, make it riskier to get and the matchup would get exciting again
“Life is a grindstone, and whether it grinds a man down or polishes him up depends on the stuff he's made of.”
gcruz
Profile Joined January 2011
United States82 Posts
August 17 2012 13:00 GMT
#1506
On August 17 2012 21:58 Rain.100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 21:57 gcruz wrote:
On August 17 2012 21:54 Schelim wrote:
seriously, can we just make ZvP illegal in tournaments? i know i'm a bit biased as a terran player, but goddamn it is this matchup boring lately, and i used to enjoy it.


id be okay with giving up pvz if TvT is never allowed to be played ever

tvt easily the most entertaining matchup oO
just take a look at gumiho-mma


I feel like the majority of TvT are tank line wars with maps split in half, there is always the possiblity for cool games but are there consistently entertaining games for TvT, I don't feel like there are.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
August 17 2012 13:00 GMT
#1507
On August 17 2012 21:57 gcruz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 21:54 Schelim wrote:
seriously, can we just make ZvP illegal in tournaments? i know i'm a bit biased as a terran player, but goddamn it is this matchup boring lately, and i used to enjoy it.


id be okay with giving up pvz if TvT is never allowed to be played ever

wat

You're okay with the most stale and predictable matchup but you want to get rid of the only one remaining with genuine stylistic variation and viable early, mid, and lategame play?
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
August 17 2012 13:01 GMT
#1508
On August 17 2012 21:57 gcruz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 21:54 Schelim wrote:
seriously, can we just make ZvP illegal in tournaments? i know i'm a bit biased as a terran player, but goddamn it is this matchup boring lately, and i used to enjoy it.


id be okay with giving up pvz if TvT is never allowed to be played ever


but.... but... but that's my second favorite matchup!
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
August 17 2012 13:02 GMT
#1509
On August 17 2012 21:53 Rain.100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 21:52 Psyclon wrote:
On August 17 2012 21:51 Azurues wrote:
is it just me or every zerg just rushes for brood lords infestors corruptors now in ZvT and ZvP?

Yes, we do. Why? Because we have nothing better.

nobody has, thats the problem

This.
Infestor Broodlord is like an army of flying colossus and a caster that counters every type of unit and can spawn an army of stimmed marines just for the lols
you no take candle
gcruz
Profile Joined January 2011
United States82 Posts
August 17 2012 13:03 GMT
#1510
On August 17 2012 22:00 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 21:57 gcruz wrote:
On August 17 2012 21:54 Schelim wrote:
seriously, can we just make ZvP illegal in tournaments? i know i'm a bit biased as a terran player, but goddamn it is this matchup boring lately, and i used to enjoy it.


id be okay with giving up pvz if TvT is never allowed to be played ever

wat

You're okay with the most stale and predictable matchup but you want to get rid of the only one remaining with genuine stylistic variation and viable early, mid, and lategame play?


let me clairify what I mean my typing is bad right now beacuse I haven't slept in 30 something hours. PvZ is boring I feel like TvT tends to be more boring.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
August 17 2012 13:03 GMT
#1511
On August 17 2012 22:03 gcruz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 22:00 forsooth wrote:
On August 17 2012 21:57 gcruz wrote:
On August 17 2012 21:54 Schelim wrote:
seriously, can we just make ZvP illegal in tournaments? i know i'm a bit biased as a terran player, but goddamn it is this matchup boring lately, and i used to enjoy it.


id be okay with giving up pvz if TvT is never allowed to be played ever

wat

You're okay with the most stale and predictable matchup but you want to get rid of the only one remaining with genuine stylistic variation and viable early, mid, and lategame play?


let me clairify what I mean my typing is bad right now beacuse I haven't slept in 30 something hours. PvZ is boring I feel like TvT tends to be more boring.

Well that's just insane.
!LL
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria256 Posts
August 17 2012 13:04 GMT
#1512
no healthbars tt
<(^-^<) (>^-^)>
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10132 Posts
August 17 2012 13:05 GMT
#1513
On August 17 2012 22:03 gcruz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 22:00 forsooth wrote:
On August 17 2012 21:57 gcruz wrote:
On August 17 2012 21:54 Schelim wrote:
seriously, can we just make ZvP illegal in tournaments? i know i'm a bit biased as a terran player, but goddamn it is this matchup boring lately, and i used to enjoy it.


id be okay with giving up pvz if TvT is never allowed to be played ever

wat

You're okay with the most stale and predictable matchup but you want to get rid of the only one remaining with genuine stylistic variation and viable early, mid, and lategame play?


let me clairify what I mean my typing is bad right now beacuse I haven't slept in 30 something hours. PvZ is boring I feel like TvT tends to be more boring.


The thing is, PvZ is boring because the match up is bad, stupid and totally dependent on the same late game stupid vortex/neural. TvT is just boring for you and some "omg tank marine vs tank marine!1!11" naysayers.
MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
August 17 2012 13:06 GMT
#1514
On August 17 2012 22:03 forsooth wrote:
Well that's just insane.

It's almost as if people have different opinions
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 17 2012 13:06 GMT
#1515
Why are we watching this instead of MC - Vortix and Supernova - ReaL?
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
August 17 2012 13:07 GMT
#1516
On August 17 2012 22:06 MangoMountain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 22:03 forsooth wrote:
Well that's just insane.

It's almost as if people have different opinions

Nah, insanity is insanity.
gcruz
Profile Joined January 2011
United States82 Posts
August 17 2012 13:07 GMT
#1517
On August 17 2012 22:03 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 22:03 gcruz wrote:
On August 17 2012 22:00 forsooth wrote:
On August 17 2012 21:57 gcruz wrote:
On August 17 2012 21:54 Schelim wrote:
seriously, can we just make ZvP illegal in tournaments? i know i'm a bit biased as a terran player, but goddamn it is this matchup boring lately, and i used to enjoy it.


id be okay with giving up pvz if TvT is never allowed to be played ever

wat

You're okay with the most stale and predictable matchup but you want to get rid of the only one remaining with genuine stylistic variation and viable early, mid, and lategame play?


let me clairify what I mean my typing is bad right now beacuse I haven't slept in 30 something hours. PvZ is boring I feel like TvT tends to be more boring.

Well that's just insane.


It could just be that I don't understand the matchup that well but it seems all the same to me. Having played toss through SC1 and 2 then switching to zerg I understand that matchup really well.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
August 17 2012 13:07 GMT
#1518
On August 17 2012 22:05 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 22:03 gcruz wrote:
On August 17 2012 22:00 forsooth wrote:
On August 17 2012 21:57 gcruz wrote:
On August 17 2012 21:54 Schelim wrote:
seriously, can we just make ZvP illegal in tournaments? i know i'm a bit biased as a terran player, but goddamn it is this matchup boring lately, and i used to enjoy it.


id be okay with giving up pvz if TvT is never allowed to be played ever

wat

You're okay with the most stale and predictable matchup but you want to get rid of the only one remaining with genuine stylistic variation and viable early, mid, and lategame play?


let me clairify what I mean my typing is bad right now beacuse I haven't slept in 30 something hours. PvZ is boring I feel like TvT tends to be more boring.


The thing is, PvZ is boring because the match up is bad, stupid and totally dependent on the same late game stupid vortex/neural. TvT is just boring for you and some "omg tank marine vs tank marine!1!11" naysayers.

No pvz is boring because protoss is boring.
Cackle™
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
August 17 2012 13:08 GMT
#1519
On August 17 2012 22:06 syllogism wrote:
Why are we watching this instead of MC - Vortix and Supernova - ReaL?

Because it's an interesting example of how you can lose 60+ workers but still win.
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
August 17 2012 13:09 GMT
#1520
On August 17 2012 22:07 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 22:05 Godwrath wrote:
On August 17 2012 22:03 gcruz wrote:
On August 17 2012 22:00 forsooth wrote:
On August 17 2012 21:57 gcruz wrote:
On August 17 2012 21:54 Schelim wrote:
seriously, can we just make ZvP illegal in tournaments? i know i'm a bit biased as a terran player, but goddamn it is this matchup boring lately, and i used to enjoy it.


id be okay with giving up pvz if TvT is never allowed to be played ever

wat

You're okay with the most stale and predictable matchup but you want to get rid of the only one remaining with genuine stylistic variation and viable early, mid, and lategame play?


let me clairify what I mean my typing is bad right now beacuse I haven't slept in 30 something hours. PvZ is boring I feel like TvT tends to be more boring.


The thing is, PvZ is boring because the match up is bad, stupid and totally dependent on the same late game stupid vortex/neural. TvT is just boring for you and some "omg tank marine vs tank marine!1!11" naysayers.

No pvz is boring because protoss is boring.


Can we stop with this? Personally, I find any match-up with Terran to be kind of boring, TvT most of all. Opinions.
Big water
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