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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
August 14 2012 13:05 GMT
#2461
On August 14 2012 22:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 22:03 Fragile51 wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:00 opterown wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote:
It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator...

aside from creator's mistake in engaging the guardian shield in game 1, creator played better imo


I think HerO played better in the third game until he lost his stalkers in the middle and the game with them...


It appeared that HerO played better because he went for a 1 base blink build vs a robo expand. He simply had more mobility and more units to work with. Creator defended that brilliantly.


I think losing the robo isn't defending brilliantly... HerO was in a way better position with 3 immortals and higher probe count until he lost his stalkers in the middle.


The defense was sufficient. Hero needed more damage to be dealt.
The Bomber boy
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3710 Posts
August 14 2012 13:05 GMT
#2462
On August 14 2012 22:01 skrotcyk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote:
It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator...


No it does not. That's just your biased opinion because ur a liquid fan or whatever.

Creator simply outplayed hero.


Might be true for game 3, but game 1 was just creator turning off his brain and in game 2 I don't see much skill in turtling on 3 bases and then a moving your colossi into your opponents third.
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
August 14 2012 13:06 GMT
#2463
On August 14 2012 22:01 skrotcyk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote:
It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator...


No it does not. That's just your biased opinion because ur a liquid fan or whatever.

Creator simply outplayed hero.


That seems harsh. Would you say that HerO outplayed Creator in game one? I would not. And it was reversed in game three, the offensive blink while still on the retreat coupled with not actually escaping with the Stalkers that he managed to save doomed HerO in game three, just as Creator's engagement doomed him in game one at the end.

Game two was pretty decisive for Creator, so he was the one who really deserved to go through. And there is little doubt that he generally is better at the matchup. And he has absolutely stomped HerO in the past. So yeah.

But whatever.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 14 2012 13:06 GMT
#2464
On August 14 2012 22:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 22:03 Fragile51 wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:00 opterown wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote:
It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator...

aside from creator's mistake in engaging the guardian shield in game 1, creator played better imo


I think HerO played better in the third game until he lost his stalkers in the middle and the game with them...


It appeared that HerO played better because he went for a 1 base blink build vs a robo expand. He simply had more mobility and more units to work with. Creator defended that brilliantly.


I think losing the robo isn't defending brilliantly... HerO was in a way better position with 3 immortals and higher probe count until he lost his stalkers in the middle.

creator was ahead in supply pretty much the whole time though - some of which were due to probes, but the extra mining meant he could lose stuff but still stay ahead?
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
August 14 2012 13:06 GMT
#2465
On August 14 2012 22:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 22:03 Fragile51 wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:00 opterown wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote:
It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator...

aside from creator's mistake in engaging the guardian shield in game 1, creator played better imo


I think HerO played better in the third game until he lost his stalkers in the middle and the game with them...


It appeared that HerO played better because he went for a 1 base blink build vs a robo expand. He simply had more mobility and more units to work with. Creator defended that brilliantly.


I think losing the robo isn't defending brilliantly... HerO was in a way better position with 3 immortals and higher probe count until he lost his stalkers in the middle.


Losing the robo isn't a big deal, as long as he doesn't lose any eco creator is in a fine position.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
August 14 2012 13:08 GMT
#2466
On August 14 2012 22:05 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 22:01 skrotcyk wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote:
It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator...


No it does not. That's just your biased opinion because ur a liquid fan or whatever.

Creator simply outplayed hero.


Might be true for game 3, but game 1 was just creator turning off his brain and in game 2 I don't see much skill in turtling on 3 bases and then a moving your colossi into your opponents third.


uh, he didn't amove, but whatever. Just because HerO did a more gimmicky style and got punished for it doesn't mean he played better than Creator.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 13:09:39
August 14 2012 13:08 GMT
#2467
On August 14 2012 22:06 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 22:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:03 Fragile51 wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:00 opterown wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote:
It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator...

aside from creator's mistake in engaging the guardian shield in game 1, creator played better imo


I think HerO played better in the third game until he lost his stalkers in the middle and the game with them...


It appeared that HerO played better because he went for a 1 base blink build vs a robo expand. He simply had more mobility and more units to work with. Creator defended that brilliantly.


I think losing the robo isn't defending brilliantly... HerO was in a way better position with 3 immortals and higher probe count until he lost his stalkers in the middle.


Losing the robo isn't a big deal, as long as he doesn't lose any eco creator is in a fine position.


Losing the robo is a huge deal because Hero got out three immortals while Creator couldn't build any. I mean... what advantage did Creator have at the point when HerO lost his stalkers at the watchtower? HerO was ahead in every possible way iirc.

Not saying Creator didn't deserve the win, he did. It's just sad to see one mistake like that cost HerO the series...
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37107 Posts
August 14 2012 13:09 GMT
#2468
On August 14 2012 20:05 Dodgin wrote:
This is a 5 star game, Seeker.

What a game. Just wow.

Duly noted
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 13:10:33
August 14 2012 13:09 GMT
#2469
On August 14 2012 22:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 22:06 Fragile51 wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:03 Fragile51 wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:00 opterown wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote:
It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator...

aside from creator's mistake in engaging the guardian shield in game 1, creator played better imo


I think HerO played better in the third game until he lost his stalkers in the middle and the game with them...


It appeared that HerO played better because he went for a 1 base blink build vs a robo expand. He simply had more mobility and more units to work with. Creator defended that brilliantly.


I think losing the robo isn't defending brilliantly... HerO was in a way better position with 3 immortals and higher probe count until he lost his stalkers in the middle.


Losing the robo isn't a big deal, as long as he doesn't lose any eco creator is in a fine position.


Losing the robo is a huge deal because Hero got out three immortals while Creator couldn't build any. I mean... what advantage did Creator have at the point when HerO lost his stalkers at the watchtower? HerO was ahead in every possible way iirc.

Not saying Creator didn't deserve the win, he did. It's just sad to see one mistake like that cost HerO the series...


economy; creator's was up for several minutes by that time already he had mined much more than he lost

also without creator's bigger mistake in game 1, he would have won 2-0.

i agree seeing a player you like lose sucks though T_T
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
August 14 2012 13:10 GMT
#2470
suuucks. Would've benefitted HerO so much to stay in WR... :/

Long and arduous road from here on out, but YOU CAN DO IT!!!
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 14 2012 13:11 GMT
#2471
On August 14 2012 22:09 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 22:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:06 Fragile51 wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:03 Fragile51 wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:00 opterown wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote:
It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator...

aside from creator's mistake in engaging the guardian shield in game 1, creator played better imo


I think HerO played better in the third game until he lost his stalkers in the middle and the game with them...


It appeared that HerO played better because he went for a 1 base blink build vs a robo expand. He simply had more mobility and more units to work with. Creator defended that brilliantly.


I think losing the robo isn't defending brilliantly... HerO was in a way better position with 3 immortals and higher probe count until he lost his stalkers in the middle.


Losing the robo isn't a big deal, as long as he doesn't lose any eco creator is in a fine position.


Losing the robo is a huge deal because Hero got out three immortals while Creator couldn't build any. I mean... what advantage did Creator have at the point when HerO lost his stalkers at the watchtower? HerO was ahead in every possible way iirc.

economy; creator's was up for several minutes by that time already he had mined much more than he lost


Yeah but he lost the robo... he put down like 3 additional gates but HerO would have had equal stalker count and three immortals + a defensive position and was ahead in probes at that point...
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
August 14 2012 13:12 GMT
#2472
Holy crap, can't believe 3 Kespa players beat 3 GSL players.
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3710 Posts
August 14 2012 13:12 GMT
#2473
On August 14 2012 22:08 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 22:05 Lorch wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:01 skrotcyk wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote:
It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator...


No it does not. That's just your biased opinion because ur a liquid fan or whatever.

Creator simply outplayed hero.


Might be true for game 3, but game 1 was just creator turning off his brain and in game 2 I don't see much skill in turtling on 3 bases and then a moving your colossi into your opponents third.


uh, he didn't amove, but whatever. Just because HerO did a more gimmicky style and got punished for it doesn't mean he played better than Creator.


Oh yeah shit I forgot the insane micro that goes into poking and setting up a decent concave. Hero obviously doesn't like to build the least micro intensive and most retarded unit in the game, gave his everything to make it work, and lost. IMO creator winning just showed how retarded pvp truly is.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 14 2012 13:15 GMT
#2474
guys; please relax. we avoided a big crapfest about elephants, let's not go into pvp crapfest too much now...
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Darkthorn
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania912 Posts
August 14 2012 13:15 GMT
#2475
On August 14 2012 22:05 Zealot Lord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 22:01 Xoronius wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:01 Zealot Lord wrote:
Can someone fill me in on why MC withdrew ?


Playing IEM open bracket.


Ah okay - thanks!

But isn't WCS considerably more prestigious compared to IEM? Or is he going after the more guaranteed money in IEM haha.

mc might have done that for the money but what about mvp?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 14 2012 13:16 GMT
#2476
On August 14 2012 22:15 Darkthorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 22:05 Zealot Lord wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:01 Xoronius wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:01 Zealot Lord wrote:
Can someone fill me in on why MC withdrew ?


Playing IEM open bracket.


Ah okay - thanks!

But isn't WCS considerably more prestigious compared to IEM? Or is he going after the more guaranteed money in IEM haha.

mc might have done that for the money but what about mvp?

-teamkill in wcs
-represent LG (maybe sponsor obligations)
-difficult road in WCS

? i don't know, we can only speculate
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
August 14 2012 13:17 GMT
#2477
On August 14 2012 22:12 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 22:08 AxionSteel wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:05 Lorch wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:01 skrotcyk wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote:
It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator...


No it does not. That's just your biased opinion because ur a liquid fan or whatever.

Creator simply outplayed hero.


Might be true for game 3, but game 1 was just creator turning off his brain and in game 2 I don't see much skill in turtling on 3 bases and then a moving your colossi into your opponents third.


uh, he didn't amove, but whatever. Just because HerO did a more gimmicky style and got punished for it doesn't mean he played better than Creator.


Oh yeah shit I forgot the insane micro that goes into poking and setting up a decent concave. Hero obviously doesn't like to build the least micro intensive and most retarded unit in the game, gave his everything to make it work, and lost. IMO creator winning just showed how retarded pvp truly is.

lol yeah totally
rave[wcr]
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1166 Posts
August 14 2012 13:18 GMT
#2478
mvp... well i guess IEM is more improtant atm
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
August 14 2012 13:18 GMT
#2479
On August 14 2012 22:12 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 22:08 AxionSteel wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:05 Lorch wrote:
On August 14 2012 22:01 skrotcyk wrote:
On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote:
It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator...


No it does not. That's just your biased opinion because ur a liquid fan or whatever.

Creator simply outplayed hero.


Might be true for game 3, but game 1 was just creator turning off his brain and in game 2 I don't see much skill in turtling on 3 bases and then a moving your colossi into your opponents third.


uh, he didn't amove, but whatever. Just because HerO did a more gimmicky style and got punished for it doesn't mean he played better than Creator.


Oh yeah shit I forgot the insane micro that goes into poking and setting up a decent concave. Hero obviously doesn't like to build the least micro intensive and most retarded unit in the game, gave his everything to make it work, and lost. IMO creator winning just showed how retarded pvp truly is.


hero lost because his riskier style cost him a bit. he likes to play harassment low unit count but it matters less in pvp.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
August 14 2012 13:18 GMT
#2480
On August 14 2012 22:15 opterown wrote:
guys; please relax. we avoided a big crapfest about elephants, let's not go into pvp crapfest too much now...

What about Lazer elephants? Best of both worlds?:>
Stork[gm]
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