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On August 14 2012 22:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 22:03 Fragile51 wrote:On August 14 2012 22:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2012 22:00 opterown wrote:On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote: It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator... aside from creator's mistake in engaging the guardian shield in game 1, creator played better imo I think HerO played better in the third game until he lost his stalkers in the middle and the game with them... It appeared that HerO played better because he went for a 1 base blink build vs a robo expand. He simply had more mobility and more units to work with. Creator defended that brilliantly. I think losing the robo isn't defending brilliantly... HerO was in a way better position with 3 immortals and higher probe count until he lost his stalkers in the middle.
The defense was sufficient. Hero needed more damage to be dealt.
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On August 14 2012 22:01 skrotcyk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote: It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator... No it does not. That's just your biased opinion because ur a liquid fan or whatever. Creator simply outplayed hero. Might be true for game 3, but game 1 was just creator turning off his brain and in game 2 I don't see much skill in turtling on 3 bases and then a moving your colossi into your opponents third.
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United Kingdom3249 Posts
On August 14 2012 22:01 skrotcyk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote: It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator... No it does not. That's just your biased opinion because ur a liquid fan or whatever. Creator simply outplayed hero.
That seems harsh. Would you say that HerO outplayed Creator in game one? I would not. And it was reversed in game three, the offensive blink while still on the retreat coupled with not actually escaping with the Stalkers that he managed to save doomed HerO in game three, just as Creator's engagement doomed him in game one at the end.
Game two was pretty decisive for Creator, so he was the one who really deserved to go through. And there is little doubt that he generally is better at the matchup. And he has absolutely stomped HerO in the past. So yeah.
But whatever.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 14 2012 22:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 22:03 Fragile51 wrote:On August 14 2012 22:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2012 22:00 opterown wrote:On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote: It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator... aside from creator's mistake in engaging the guardian shield in game 1, creator played better imo I think HerO played better in the third game until he lost his stalkers in the middle and the game with them... It appeared that HerO played better because he went for a 1 base blink build vs a robo expand. He simply had more mobility and more units to work with. Creator defended that brilliantly. I think losing the robo isn't defending brilliantly... HerO was in a way better position with 3 immortals and higher probe count until he lost his stalkers in the middle. creator was ahead in supply pretty much the whole time though - some of which were due to probes, but the extra mining meant he could lose stuff but still stay ahead?
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On August 14 2012 22:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 22:03 Fragile51 wrote:On August 14 2012 22:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2012 22:00 opterown wrote:On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote: It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator... aside from creator's mistake in engaging the guardian shield in game 1, creator played better imo I think HerO played better in the third game until he lost his stalkers in the middle and the game with them... It appeared that HerO played better because he went for a 1 base blink build vs a robo expand. He simply had more mobility and more units to work with. Creator defended that brilliantly. I think losing the robo isn't defending brilliantly... HerO was in a way better position with 3 immortals and higher probe count until he lost his stalkers in the middle.
Losing the robo isn't a big deal, as long as he doesn't lose any eco creator is in a fine position.
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United States7754 Posts
On August 14 2012 22:05 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 22:01 skrotcyk wrote:On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote: It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator... No it does not. That's just your biased opinion because ur a liquid fan or whatever. Creator simply outplayed hero. Might be true for game 3, but game 1 was just creator turning off his brain and in game 2 I don't see much skill in turtling on 3 bases and then a moving your colossi into your opponents third.
uh, he didn't amove, but whatever. Just because HerO did a more gimmicky style and got punished for it doesn't mean he played better than Creator.
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Austria24417 Posts
On August 14 2012 22:06 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 22:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2012 22:03 Fragile51 wrote:On August 14 2012 22:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2012 22:00 opterown wrote:On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote: It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator... aside from creator's mistake in engaging the guardian shield in game 1, creator played better imo I think HerO played better in the third game until he lost his stalkers in the middle and the game with them... It appeared that HerO played better because he went for a 1 base blink build vs a robo expand. He simply had more mobility and more units to work with. Creator defended that brilliantly. I think losing the robo isn't defending brilliantly... HerO was in a way better position with 3 immortals and higher probe count until he lost his stalkers in the middle. Losing the robo isn't a big deal, as long as he doesn't lose any eco creator is in a fine position.
Losing the robo is a huge deal because Hero got out three immortals while Creator couldn't build any. I mean... what advantage did Creator have at the point when HerO lost his stalkers at the watchtower? HerO was ahead in every possible way iirc.
Not saying Creator didn't deserve the win, he did. It's just sad to see one mistake like that cost HerO the series...
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36996 Posts
On August 14 2012 20:05 Dodgin wrote: This is a 5 star game, Seeker.
What a game. Just wow. Duly noted
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 14 2012 22:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 22:06 Fragile51 wrote:On August 14 2012 22:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2012 22:03 Fragile51 wrote:On August 14 2012 22:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2012 22:00 opterown wrote:On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote: It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator... aside from creator's mistake in engaging the guardian shield in game 1, creator played better imo I think HerO played better in the third game until he lost his stalkers in the middle and the game with them... It appeared that HerO played better because he went for a 1 base blink build vs a robo expand. He simply had more mobility and more units to work with. Creator defended that brilliantly. I think losing the robo isn't defending brilliantly... HerO was in a way better position with 3 immortals and higher probe count until he lost his stalkers in the middle. Losing the robo isn't a big deal, as long as he doesn't lose any eco creator is in a fine position. Losing the robo is a huge deal because Hero got out three immortals while Creator couldn't build any. I mean... what advantage did Creator have at the point when HerO lost his stalkers at the watchtower? HerO was ahead in every possible way iirc. Not saying Creator didn't deserve the win, he did. It's just sad to see one mistake like that cost HerO the series...
economy; creator's was up for several minutes by that time already he had mined much more than he lost
also without creator's bigger mistake in game 1, he would have won 2-0.
i agree seeing a player you like lose sucks though T_T
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suuucks. Would've benefitted HerO so much to stay in WR... :/
Long and arduous road from here on out, but YOU CAN DO IT!!!
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Austria24417 Posts
On August 14 2012 22:09 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 22:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2012 22:06 Fragile51 wrote:On August 14 2012 22:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2012 22:03 Fragile51 wrote:On August 14 2012 22:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 14 2012 22:00 opterown wrote:On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote: It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator... aside from creator's mistake in engaging the guardian shield in game 1, creator played better imo I think HerO played better in the third game until he lost his stalkers in the middle and the game with them... It appeared that HerO played better because he went for a 1 base blink build vs a robo expand. He simply had more mobility and more units to work with. Creator defended that brilliantly. I think losing the robo isn't defending brilliantly... HerO was in a way better position with 3 immortals and higher probe count until he lost his stalkers in the middle. Losing the robo isn't a big deal, as long as he doesn't lose any eco creator is in a fine position. Losing the robo is a huge deal because Hero got out three immortals while Creator couldn't build any. I mean... what advantage did Creator have at the point when HerO lost his stalkers at the watchtower? HerO was ahead in every possible way iirc. economy; creator's was up for several minutes by that time already  he had mined much more than he lost
Yeah but he lost the robo... he put down like 3 additional gates but HerO would have had equal stalker count and three immortals + a defensive position and was ahead in probes at that point...
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United States4126 Posts
Holy crap, can't believe 3 Kespa players beat 3 GSL players.
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On August 14 2012 22:08 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 22:05 Lorch wrote:On August 14 2012 22:01 skrotcyk wrote:On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote: It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator... No it does not. That's just your biased opinion because ur a liquid fan or whatever. Creator simply outplayed hero. Might be true for game 3, but game 1 was just creator turning off his brain and in game 2 I don't see much skill in turtling on 3 bases and then a moving your colossi into your opponents third. uh, he didn't amove, but whatever. Just because HerO did a more gimmicky style and got punished for it doesn't mean he played better than Creator.
Oh yeah shit I forgot the insane micro that goes into poking and setting up a decent concave. Hero obviously doesn't like to build the least micro intensive and most retarded unit in the game, gave his everything to make it work, and lost. IMO creator winning just showed how retarded pvp truly is.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
guys; please relax. we avoided a big crapfest about elephants, let's not go into pvp crapfest too much now...
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On August 14 2012 22:05 Zealot Lord wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 22:01 Xoronius wrote:On August 14 2012 22:01 Zealot Lord wrote: Can someone fill me in on why MC withdrew ? Playing IEM open bracket. Ah okay - thanks! But isn't WCS considerably more prestigious compared to IEM? Or is he going after the more guaranteed money in IEM haha. mc might have done that for the money but what about mvp?
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 14 2012 22:15 Darkthorn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 22:05 Zealot Lord wrote:On August 14 2012 22:01 Xoronius wrote:On August 14 2012 22:01 Zealot Lord wrote: Can someone fill me in on why MC withdrew ? Playing IEM open bracket. Ah okay - thanks! But isn't WCS considerably more prestigious compared to IEM? Or is he going after the more guaranteed money in IEM haha. mc might have done that for the money but what about mvp? -teamkill in wcs -represent LG (maybe sponsor obligations) -difficult road in WCS
? i don't know, we can only speculate
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United States7754 Posts
On August 14 2012 22:12 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 22:08 AxionSteel wrote:On August 14 2012 22:05 Lorch wrote:On August 14 2012 22:01 skrotcyk wrote:On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote: It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator... No it does not. That's just your biased opinion because ur a liquid fan or whatever. Creator simply outplayed hero. Might be true for game 3, but game 1 was just creator turning off his brain and in game 2 I don't see much skill in turtling on 3 bases and then a moving your colossi into your opponents third. uh, he didn't amove, but whatever. Just because HerO did a more gimmicky style and got punished for it doesn't mean he played better than Creator. Oh yeah shit I forgot the insane micro that goes into poking and setting up a decent concave. Hero obviously doesn't like to build the least micro intensive and most retarded unit in the game, gave his everything to make it work, and lost. IMO creator winning just showed how retarded pvp truly is. lol yeah totally
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mvp... well i guess IEM is more improtant atm
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On August 14 2012 22:12 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 22:08 AxionSteel wrote:On August 14 2012 22:05 Lorch wrote:On August 14 2012 22:01 skrotcyk wrote:On August 14 2012 21:59 Big-t wrote: It feels like HerO played so much better then Creator... No it does not. That's just your biased opinion because ur a liquid fan or whatever. Creator simply outplayed hero. Might be true for game 3, but game 1 was just creator turning off his brain and in game 2 I don't see much skill in turtling on 3 bases and then a moving your colossi into your opponents third. uh, he didn't amove, but whatever. Just because HerO did a more gimmicky style and got punished for it doesn't mean he played better than Creator. Oh yeah shit I forgot the insane micro that goes into poking and setting up a decent concave. Hero obviously doesn't like to build the least micro intensive and most retarded unit in the game, gave his everything to make it work, and lost. IMO creator winning just showed how retarded pvp truly is.
hero lost because his riskier style cost him a bit. he likes to play harassment low unit count but it matters less in pvp.
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On August 14 2012 22:15 opterown wrote: guys; please relax. we avoided a big crapfest about elephants, let's not go into pvp crapfest too much now... What about Lazer elephants? Best of both worlds?:>
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