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Vento7
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil45 Posts
August 13 2012 22:15 GMT
#1501
On August 14 2012 07:12 Westy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:10 Vento7 wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:05 Westy wrote:
I don't play terran, but I don't get why you don't see nukes against broodlord infestor army. Having ghosts to snipe/emp the infestors is useful on its own. But placing down a nuke in the middle of an engagement forces the zerg to either back up his broodlords, or lose them to the nuke due to their slow speed.

BL's range.


Broodlord range = 9, nuke range = 12

What will protect the nuking ghost? The point is that is easy to "snipe" that ghost.
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imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
August 13 2012 22:15 GMT
#1502
On August 14 2012 07:13 imallinson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:11 imallinson wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:08 ELA wrote:
According to Twitch.tv, there are 500 people still watching... You guys better start doing some live reporting man!


Major is meching, has 3 bases. JR is going for a pretty quick hive and is getting his 4th up.


17:00
Major taking his 4th JR taking his 5th. Both getting 3-3 and JR is getting greater spire and ultralisk cavern.


19:00
Major seiges up JR's center base but gets all his hellions fungalled to death and has lost most of his army. JR has countered taking out Major's 4th.
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Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
August 13 2012 22:15 GMT
#1503
On August 14 2012 07:12 yeint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:10 Porcelina wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:04 yeint wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:02 Porcelina wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:01 ELA wrote:
DId stream just die?


Waxangel tripped over yet another cable at TL offices.

R1ch will have to 'do something'.


You can mail me the royalty payment check for that joke.


You will have to split it with Wax I am afraid - he made the second part.

And yeah, that was a pure rip-off. Remember, the sincerest form of flattery is imitation. Or stealing. <3


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359965&currentpage=73#1459


Did you mean to reply to me? I know that you had the joke, it was in reply to Wax though. And my second statement was about Wax' saying something like 'Neat, R1ch did something and now it works' or similar.

This seems more suited for evidence in your upcoming patents law suit.

(And btw, the joke still makes me smile <3)
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
August 13 2012 22:15 GMT
#1504
On August 14 2012 07:14 Jono7272 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:12 Qikz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:09 Sroobz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:04 Qikz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:02 Terranist wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:02 Qikz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:00 Terranist wrote:
On August 14 2012 06:57 Schelim wrote:
god damn it Major t.t

no lategame transitions at all, no ghosts, no thors, no ravens...


ravens... ghosts... lol...


Ravens are good in TvZ.

PDD or Hunter Seeker does a lot against the corrupters making your vikings able to deal with them and the broodlords.


the only thing ravens are good at in tvz is getting fungal'd and making you instalose.


Only if you're an idiot with them. Keep them behind your tanks, pull your vikings back and they're damned useful.

Just because they look like they get fungalled and lead to your loss doesn't make them a bad unit. It's the players being really stupid.


Yeah he's right. Ravens are so good in TvZ when you micro your marines/marauders around perfectly, keep your vikings from getting clumped, siege at perfect moments, and move around your ravens above the tanks while stimming, sieging, focus firing, and casting PDD + seeker missile against the impossible to play with zerg army of multitasking goodness.


Why would you need to micro your marine marauder around? I'm not seeing why you'd ever want to when you have your tank line set up to deal with the infestors. If you move any bio forward it's going to get fungaled and you'll die and seriously I'm a high platinum/diamond Terran and I have 0 issues splitting vikings. It's almost impossible not to. just have them set into 3 groups over seperate hotkeys and attack from different angles.

Ahhh, High Plat. Awesome.

So how many hotkeys we talking, 1 for bio, 1 for tanks, 1 for ghosts and like 4 for you air units? Okay.. Cool.


it bothers me when other races theory craft about how terran should be played at a grandmaster+ level. if ravens actually worked and didnt die to fungal every time someone made them, they would be used far more often.
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bikefrog
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway451 Posts
August 13 2012 22:15 GMT
#1505
On August 14 2012 07:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
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On August 14 2012 07:06 bikefrog wrote:
biggest letdown result-wise... don't think I'll watch tournaments without stephano in the future, pretty sad that the best foreigners get dominated by code a koreans every damn time (not literally).

God, not more of you. He's not playing in here, piss off. God

I invite you to drink my piss instead, you fat irish cunt. Ban me, I don't care for this place anymore.

User was banned for this post.
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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
August 13 2012 22:16 GMT
#1506
On August 14 2012 07:14 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:12 Cele wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:11 sAsImre wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:09 Cele wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:07 yeint wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:06 Cele wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:04 yeint wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:02 Porcelina wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:01 ELA wrote:
DId stream just die?


Waxangel tripped over yet another cable at TL offices.

R1ch will have to 'do something'.


You can mail me the royalty payment check for that joke.


sorry bro, your out of luck. I joked around about it too. You shoulda claimed IP rights before posting it (;


I'll see you in court! I have prior art!


They have COURTS in Estonia? I thought civilization ended at western germany eastern border!


fixed for you

you realize i was joking around, now do you?


ofc :D Bielorussia isn't the whole eastern europe


oh get it, hahahaah ^^
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SevenShots
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany84 Posts
August 13 2012 22:16 GMT
#1507
On August 14 2012 07:14 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:12 Qikz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:09 Sroobz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:04 Qikz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:02 Terranist wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:02 Qikz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:00 Terranist wrote:
On August 14 2012 06:57 Schelim wrote:
god damn it Major t.t

no lategame transitions at all, no ghosts, no thors, no ravens...


ravens... ghosts... lol...


Ravens are good in TvZ.

PDD or Hunter Seeker does a lot against the corrupters making your vikings able to deal with them and the broodlords.


the only thing ravens are good at in tvz is getting fungal'd and making you instalose.


Only if you're an idiot with them. Keep them behind your tanks, pull your vikings back and they're damned useful.

Just because they look like they get fungalled and lead to your loss doesn't make them a bad unit. It's the players being really stupid.


Yeah he's right. Ravens are so good in TvZ when you micro your marines/marauders around perfectly, keep your vikings from getting clumped, siege at perfect moments, and move around your ravens above the tanks while stimming, sieging, focus firing, and casting PDD + seeker missile against the impossible to play with zerg army of multitasking goodness.


Why would you need to micro your marine marauder around? I'm not seeing why you'd ever want to when you have your tank line set up to deal with the infestors. If you move any bio forward it's going to get fungaled and you'll die and seriously I'm a high platinum/diamond Terran and I have 0 issues splitting vikings. It's almost impossible not to. just have them set into 3 groups over seperate hotkeys and attack from different angles.

Namely that having sieged up tanks is terrible against Broodlords because the splash does a ton of damage to your bio when the broodlings come in?


... Move behind your tanks? I play Mech but seriously it's not that difficult. The broodlords broodlings will not do anything as they get killed as soon as they land (this is with hellions, I'm sure mm can do it to) and if you do that he'll never be able to walk his infestors in meaning you can snipe the broodlords with your spread out vikings and if the corrupters clump you PDD or Hunter Seeker them.


yea this shows how much you know of tvz... your tanks splash your units isntantly the moment the broodlings land.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 22:16:27
August 13 2012 22:16 GMT
#1508
So stream not working? Or is it working fine but this is the NBC live broadcast?
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
August 13 2012 22:16 GMT
#1509
On August 14 2012 07:15 imallinson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:13 imallinson wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:11 imallinson wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:08 ELA wrote:
According to Twitch.tv, there are 500 people still watching... You guys better start doing some live reporting man!


Major is meching, has 3 bases. JR is going for a pretty quick hive and is getting his 4th up.


17:00
Major taking his 4th JR taking his 5th. Both getting 3-3 and JR is getting greater spire and ultralisk cavern.


19:00
Major seiges up JR's center base but gets all his hellions fungalled to death and has lost most of his army. JR has countered taking out Major's 4th.


Cheers man, keep it up
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Westy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
England808 Posts
August 13 2012 22:16 GMT
#1510
On August 14 2012 07:15 Vento7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:12 Westy wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:10 Vento7 wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:05 Westy wrote:
I don't play terran, but I don't get why you don't see nukes against broodlord infestor army. Having ghosts to snipe/emp the infestors is useful on its own. But placing down a nuke in the middle of an engagement forces the zerg to either back up his broodlords, or lose them to the nuke due to their slow speed.

BL's range.


Broodlord range = 9, nuke range = 12

What will protect the nuking ghost? The point is that is easy to "snipe" that ghost.


How is it easy to snipe a cloaked ghost being protected by a maxed terran army?
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
August 13 2012 22:16 GMT
#1511
On August 14 2012 07:14 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:12 Qikz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:09 Sroobz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:04 Qikz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:02 Terranist wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:02 Qikz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:00 Terranist wrote:
On August 14 2012 06:57 Schelim wrote:
god damn it Major t.t

no lategame transitions at all, no ghosts, no thors, no ravens...


ravens... ghosts... lol...


Ravens are good in TvZ.

PDD or Hunter Seeker does a lot against the corrupters making your vikings able to deal with them and the broodlords.


the only thing ravens are good at in tvz is getting fungal'd and making you instalose.


Only if you're an idiot with them. Keep them behind your tanks, pull your vikings back and they're damned useful.

Just because they look like they get fungalled and lead to your loss doesn't make them a bad unit. It's the players being really stupid.


Yeah he's right. Ravens are so good in TvZ when you micro your marines/marauders around perfectly, keep your vikings from getting clumped, siege at perfect moments, and move around your ravens above the tanks while stimming, sieging, focus firing, and casting PDD + seeker missile against the impossible to play with zerg army of multitasking goodness.


Why would you need to micro your marine marauder around? I'm not seeing why you'd ever want to when you have your tank line set up to deal with the infestors. If you move any bio forward it's going to get fungaled and you'll die and seriously I'm a high platinum/diamond Terran and I have 0 issues splitting vikings. It's almost impossible not to. just have them set into 3 groups over seperate hotkeys and attack from different angles.

Namely that having sieged up tanks is terrible against Broodlords because the splash does a ton of damage to your bio when the broodlings come in?


but seriously it's not that difficult.


It really is dude. That's why we are still seeing 99.999999% of terrans losing those lategame engagements. It's because the control required for the units is still so hard....


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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 22:17:32
August 13 2012 22:16 GMT
#1512
On August 14 2012 07:14 Rulker wrote:
ThorZaIN is doing a TvT, thats half of Major vs Jonnyrecco, it has at least terran...


I'm watching Ziktomini vs VeraLynn. One Scottish zerg there.

edit: oh fuck me, she's Irish. xD
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 13 2012 22:16 GMT
#1513
pfft of course major goes mech this game where I can't watch
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
August 13 2012 22:16 GMT
#1514
someone restream T__T
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
August 13 2012 22:16 GMT
#1515
Yet another day with stream problems. This time it's just black
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12033 Posts
August 13 2012 22:16 GMT
#1516
On August 14 2012 07:15 Terranist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:14 Jono7272 wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:12 Qikz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:09 Sroobz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:04 Qikz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:02 Terranist wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:02 Qikz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:00 Terranist wrote:
On August 14 2012 06:57 Schelim wrote:
god damn it Major t.t

no lategame transitions at all, no ghosts, no thors, no ravens...


ravens... ghosts... lol...


Ravens are good in TvZ.

PDD or Hunter Seeker does a lot against the corrupters making your vikings able to deal with them and the broodlords.


the only thing ravens are good at in tvz is getting fungal'd and making you instalose.


Only if you're an idiot with them. Keep them behind your tanks, pull your vikings back and they're damned useful.

Just because they look like they get fungalled and lead to your loss doesn't make them a bad unit. It's the players being really stupid.


Yeah he's right. Ravens are so good in TvZ when you micro your marines/marauders around perfectly, keep your vikings from getting clumped, siege at perfect moments, and move around your ravens above the tanks while stimming, sieging, focus firing, and casting PDD + seeker missile against the impossible to play with zerg army of multitasking goodness.


Why would you need to micro your marine marauder around? I'm not seeing why you'd ever want to when you have your tank line set up to deal with the infestors. If you move any bio forward it's going to get fungaled and you'll die and seriously I'm a high platinum/diamond Terran and I have 0 issues splitting vikings. It's almost impossible not to. just have them set into 3 groups over seperate hotkeys and attack from different angles.

Ahhh, High Plat. Awesome.

So how many hotkeys we talking, 1 for bio, 1 for tanks, 1 for ghosts and like 4 for you air units? Okay.. Cool.


it bothers me when other races theory craft about how terran should be played at a grandmaster+ level. if ravens actually worked and didnt die to fungal every time someone made them, they would be used far more often.


What are you talking about? I've played Terran since Broodwar and I've never even touched the other races. Ok I may only be high platinum but it doesn't take a genius to see ravens only get fucked by fungals if you're stupid enough to group them into one massive ball.
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Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
August 13 2012 22:17 GMT
#1517
DJR pushes MajOrs 4th and forces a lift, Major has a lot of CCsn but he can't take a fourth. Major sat at 150 supply and struggling to build more. DJR is starting to bank huge.


Ravens on the way, but it doesn't look like it will matter. Roach ling infestor ultra is killing Majors army again.

And major ggs.
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
August 13 2012 22:17 GMT
#1518
On August 14 2012 07:15 imallinson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:13 imallinson wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:11 imallinson wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:08 ELA wrote:
According to Twitch.tv, there are 500 people still watching... You guys better start doing some live reporting man!


Major is meching, has 3 bases. JR is going for a pretty quick hive and is getting his 4th up.


17:00
Major taking his 4th JR taking his 5th. Both getting 3-3 and JR is getting greater spire and ultralisk cavern.


19:00
Major seiges up JR's center base but gets all his hellions fungalled to death and has lost most of his army. JR has countered taking out Major's 4th.


22:00
Major taking his 4th again and trying to rebuild his army. JR attacks again crushing Major's army again Major ggs.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26760 Posts
August 13 2012 22:17 GMT
#1519
On August 14 2012 07:15 Terranist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:14 Jono7272 wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:12 Qikz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:09 Sroobz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:04 Qikz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:02 Terranist wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:02 Qikz wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:00 Terranist wrote:
On August 14 2012 06:57 Schelim wrote:
god damn it Major t.t

no lategame transitions at all, no ghosts, no thors, no ravens...


ravens... ghosts... lol...


Ravens are good in TvZ.

PDD or Hunter Seeker does a lot against the corrupters making your vikings able to deal with them and the broodlords.


the only thing ravens are good at in tvz is getting fungal'd and making you instalose.


Only if you're an idiot with them. Keep them behind your tanks, pull your vikings back and they're damned useful.

Just because they look like they get fungalled and lead to your loss doesn't make them a bad unit. It's the players being really stupid.


Yeah he's right. Ravens are so good in TvZ when you micro your marines/marauders around perfectly, keep your vikings from getting clumped, siege at perfect moments, and move around your ravens above the tanks while stimming, sieging, focus firing, and casting PDD + seeker missile against the impossible to play with zerg army of multitasking goodness.


Why would you need to micro your marine marauder around? I'm not seeing why you'd ever want to when you have your tank line set up to deal with the infestors. If you move any bio forward it's going to get fungaled and you'll die and seriously I'm a high platinum/diamond Terran and I have 0 issues splitting vikings. It's almost impossible not to. just have them set into 3 groups over seperate hotkeys and attack from different angles.

Ahhh, High Plat. Awesome.

So how many hotkeys we talking, 1 for bio, 1 for tanks, 1 for ghosts and like 4 for you air units? Okay.. Cool.


it bothers me when other races theory craft about how terran should be played at a grandmaster+ level. if ravens actually worked and didnt die to fungal every time someone made them, they would be used far more often.

God it pisses me off. I have a hotkey setup specifically to give 4 useable army control groups when I play Terran and it is beyond difficult to pull off these kind of things.

At least when I'm playing PvT, and losing or really working up a sweat I KNOW that my Terran opponent's hands are probably about to fall off, the discrepancy between Zerg and Terran army control is beyond a joke now.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
August 13 2012 22:17 GMT
#1520
On August 14 2012 07:09 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:07 yeint wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:06 Cele wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:04 yeint wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:02 Porcelina wrote:
On August 14 2012 07:01 ELA wrote:
DId stream just die?


Waxangel tripped over yet another cable at TL offices.

R1ch will have to 'do something'.


You can mail me the royalty payment check for that joke.


sorry bro, your out of luck. I joked around about it too. You shoulda claimed IP rights before posting it (;


I'll see you in court! I have prior art!


They have COURTS in Estonia? I thought civilization ended at germanys eastern border!


Courts and civilization were doing great for nearly a thousand years before you guys decided to sack Rome. Good going!
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