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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 10 2012 22:36 Sated wrote: The article said within months of starting to play SC2. They've had that time. The article was wrong, the elephant is dead, shut the fuck up about it. Not really. The article didn't predict them not being able to focus on SC2 and have to switch between games on a weekly/every other week basis. No one saw that coming. I think it also predicted the pros to come over sooner rather than hold onto BW so long. At this point, the GSL players have been able to have such a huge headstart. This isn't saying I believe in the article either. It's saying it simply hasn't been disproven. | ||
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Simsallabin
Nepal216 Posts
On August 10 2012 22:36 Sated wrote: The article said within months of starting to play SC2. They've had that time. The article was wrong, the elephant is dead, shut the fuck up about it. Article was right you just have to live with it my dear sir. Gogo Kespa players and the mighty elephant. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On August 10 2012 22:36 Sated wrote: The article said within months of starting to play SC2. They've had that time. The article was wrong, the elephant is dead, shut the fuck up about it. Don't get so pissed about it.People are just having fun about the term " elephant ". You know they aren't playing this game full time because they are still playing hybrid BW and SC2 in PL. Until they started to fully transition into SC2 and started playing a few months later, then we will see again. But i don't think they just rolled face over all the GOM player. I think GOM and Kespa players will have an even footing in the end with Kespa players having a slight lead in the future IMO. | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
Oh, well... nvm, seems thrashing each other's game seems to be the trend... Seriously, I don't care that BW pros over-dominate the scene or not (currently, they aren't at all...), i'll look forward a great community, great players and great matches... I really don't like this article. I mean, wth, according to its logic, ForGG should've been quite dominating in SC2 since he's won an MSL and no other SC2 players from BW did even reached Ro32 (or Ro16) in BW tournaments... And yet, he's never got past Code S Ro32... Does that mean that it's impossible for BW pros to dominate ? No. But come on, they won't automatically dominate either... | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On August 10 2012 22:36 FabledIntegral wrote: But see, that volatility in individual games and Bo3's is what causes it to be somewhat more luck based. For example, I think a Bo7 ZvZ will much more likely have the winner with "more skill" than a Bo7 in PvP. My ZvT slightly off topic opinion + Show Spoiler + ZvT is honestly not that fragile, imo. You generally have time to prepare what's coming, etc. The only way it could be fragile is if a siege tank shot aggros your unit into running into battle. Otherwise, it's highly microable on both sides, although definitely more on the Terran side (siege tanks focus firing banelings, marines and potentially marauders splitting, and keeping medivacs safe from mutas) while Zerg needs to ensure banelings don't clump up (an issue if you use move command) but at the same time don't smash into tanks (if you use A move), while mutas need to target either medivacs/tanks, and then of course the infestors come into the equation. But really, you lose a handful of units, and you can still come back on either side np. You lose all your lings in a ZvZ battle midgame results in your opponent taking your third and yours being denied, save for some counterattack fuckup. I play Random on NA btw, high masters level. Haven't gotten GM in a while, but I'll go on midseason streaks where I'm playing for the most part top 20 GM's, so I get exposure to pretty much all our ladder has to offer. Still get beat down by players like Vines every time though when he was playing more regularly. Yeah, I don't disagree with anything you're saying. You obv understand the game and MUs. I'm just a mid-level masters and have been inactive since season 4-5ish? I've only obsed the scene since, but I always did like ZvZ and ZvP. I think in this particular set though it didn't come down to volatility. I think Roro just flat out outplayed Leenock. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On August 10 2012 21:48 Sated wrote: And all the other Kespa players are doing well, too... Oh, wait -.-; This tournament has already proven the elephant in the room article wrong. Drop this bullshit and focus on the games. Lol dude. That article didn't include practicing two games at once lol and you have no right to speak on all the other Kespa players because you have no idea how they are doing. The fact that even one Kespa player has even made it this far while playing two games at once in a span of 3 months is scary enough for the current SC2 players. Like I have said before, there was a reason why these players were in Kespa at the end of Brood War and a reason why players like Leenock and the current SC2 pros didn't make it in and those reasons are starting to show. Even some of the worst the worst ex 2010 and below Kespa players are at the top of SC2 (MC,MVP, and Nestea) so it is only natural that they will eventually surpass them. | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On August 10 2012 22:36 Sated wrote: The article said within months of starting to play SC2. They've had that time. The article was wrong, the elephant is dead, shut the fuck up about it. EDIT: And don't mistake this as malice towards those players or BW. I hope they do change over and show us some good games. My point is that they haven't done what that article said they would (completely roflstomp everyone within months of switching) and so everyone should stop mentioning fucking elephants. But the elephant in the room was never that they would stomp within months. The elephant was that they are better than your MCs and Nesteas. The elephant is only defeated if your MCs and Nesteas remain competetive. Why is such a simple argument constantly misunderstood? I don't understand. Of course in the article it was stated that they could (at the time) come and potentially dominate within few months. But that was not the elephant. The elephant was that MCs and Nesteas are inferior. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On August 10 2012 22:36 Sated wrote: The article said within months of starting to play SC2. They've had that time. The article was wrong, the elephant is dead, shut the fuck up about it. EDIT: And don't mistake this as malice towards those players or BW. I hope they do change over and show us some good games. My point is that they haven't done what that article said they would (completely roflstomp everyone within months of switching) and so everyone should stop mentioning fucking elephants. They haven't even fully switched yet, and when they do, who cares if it is 1 month or 4? KeSPA players will be the best sooner or later mostly due to their training environment, probably soon after HotS releases. | ||
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DeCoder
Finland236 Posts
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On August 10 2012 22:40 Ragnarork wrote: "The elephant in the room", or in other words "how to tear down in 2 pieces what could have been a great family otherwise". Oh, well... nvm, seems thrashing each other's game seems to be the trend... Seriously, I don't care that BW pros over-dominate the scene or not (currently, they aren't at all...), i'll look forward a great community, great players and great matches... I really don't like this article. I mean, wth, according to its logic, ForGG should've been quite dominating in SC2 since he's won an MSL and no other SC2 players from BW did even reached Ro32 (or Ro16) in BW tournaments... And yet, he's never got past Code S Ro32... Does that mean that it's impossible for BW pros to dominate ? No. But come on, they won't automatically dominate either... ForGG is kind of a special case. On one hand, he beat the motherfucking Tyrant in an MSL finals. On the other, he was always laughed at for his utterly horrible micro and multi-tasking, as in he didn't even bother microing. He was very much a gimmicky ee-han timing player, sort of like a baby OOV. He came up with these great little builds that somehow gave him a ridic amount of units at timings where it shouldn't be possible. Then he'd just smash into the other player with it and keep on rallying reinforcements in to keep up the attack. He had that one great run in MSL with that playstyle, but the most important thing to note is that ForGG won that MSL vs a fellow teammate. Vs a guy he's played a ridic # of times in practice. Team-kill matches are always really really strange, because the players know each other so damn well it comes down to all kinds of mind games where even a Bo5 can turn into a coinflip. After that one MSL, ForGG just sort of died on the vine. He never did anything else of note. Lost a ton of games in PL and then got benched. So, no, ForGG is not really a top-tier Kespa player despite medalling once in a star league. He's probably one of the wonkiest fluke winners there's been in recent BW history. Edit: Also, it was never going to be one big happy family lol. Ofc BW fans are going to have a chip on their shoulder, especially when SC2 is what killed their game. If you want to blame anyone, blame Morhaime and their legal shenanigans to shut down the BW scene. Also, BW fans have a ton of pride. No way we want to see our gods humbled by some newbie upstarts. | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On August 10 2012 22:40 Ragnarork wrote: "The elephant in the room", or in other words "how to tear down in 2 pieces what could have been a great family otherwise". Oh, well... nvm, seems thrashing each other's game seems to be the trend... Seriously, I don't care that BW pros over-dominate the scene or not (currently, they aren't at all...), i'll look forward a great community, great players and great matches... I really don't like this article. I mean, wth, according to its logic, ForGG should've been quite dominating in SC2 since he's won an MSL and no other SC2 players from BW did even reached Ro32 (or Ro16) in BW tournaments... And yet, he's never got past Code S Ro32... Does that mean that it's impossible for BW pros to dominate ? No. But come on, they won't automatically dominate either... Just because ForGG ended up not crushing is in no way in contrast with the article. Sure, it does not further the elephant in any way, but in the article it was mentioned that they have the potential to dominate. Potential. Not automatic domination. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On August 10 2012 22:48 StorkHwaiting wrote: ForGG is kind of a special case. On one hand, he beat the motherfucking Tyrant in an MSL finals. On the other, he was always laughed at for his utterly horrible micro and multi-tasking, as in he didn't even bother microing. He was very much a gimmicky ee-han timing player, sort of like a baby OOV. He came up with these great little builds that somehow gave him a ridic amount of units at timings where it shouldn't be possible. Then he'd just smash into the other player with it and keep on rallying reinforcements in to keep up the attack. He had that one great run in MSL with that playstyle, but the most important thing to note is that ForGG won that MSL vs a fellow teammate. Vs a guy he's played a ridic # of times in practice. Team-kill matches are always really really strange, because the players know each other so damn well it comes down to all kinds of mind games where even a Bo5 can turn into a coinflip. After that one MSL, ForGG just sort of died on the vine. He never did anything else of note. Lost a ton of games in PL and then got benched. So, no, ForGG is not really a top-tier Kespa player despite medalling once in a star league. He's probably one of the wonkiest fluke winners there's been in recent BW history. Dude. Preach this shit! | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On August 10 2012 22:48 DeCoder wrote: To me the games with Leenock and RorO were about Leenock making mistakes and coming back through superior understanding of the game. Sadly for him he got behind too often and eventually lost. Leenock lost the match more so than RorO won it. Perhaps that speaks more about the level of GSL players if they always lose their games rather than their opponent winning. | ||
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BlindKill
Australia1508 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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. TvT is fine though (although 1 base allins aren't anything special to me either).
