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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 13:40:49
August 10 2012 13:36 GMT
#1181
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Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
August 10 2012 13:37 GMT
#1182
Roro is fuckin good, didn't expect him to beat Leenock :O
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
August 10 2012 13:38 GMT
#1183
On August 10 2012 22:36 Sated wrote:
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On August 10 2012 22:30 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:27 Sated wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:53 Simsallabin wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:48 Sated wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:43 Simsallabin wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:41 Clafou wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:41 Uni1987 wrote:
elephant



Don't bring this crap here.


Roro slapped Leenock with a Elephant Trunk of massive force.

And all the other Kespa players are doing well, too... Oh, wait -.-;

This tournament has already proven the elephant in the room article wrong. Drop this bullshit and focus on the games.


I did focus on the game and what I saw was Roro using his trunk and slapping players left and right. Maybe he will loose at one point but still damn he's a sexy elephant. Tuut-tuut!

That article suggested that BW players would dominate SC2 players en masse within months of switching. Since that hasn't happened, the "elephant in the room" is dead.

We don't need all this elephant bullshit in every SC2 thread.

EDIT:

"More importantly, we are perfectly fine with Kespa pros needing as much as a year to dominate. As long as they dominate, they have proven their superiority. And they will."

Wrong, after a year they will be no better than people like DJRecco bursting onto the scene


The last OSL just ended last week. And you talk about the elephant being dead? These guys are still playing 2 games. Roro was playing SC1 in proleague just this week.

The article said within months of starting to play SC2. They've had that time. The article was wrong, the elephant is dead, shut the fuck up about it.


Not really. The article didn't predict them not being able to focus on SC2 and have to switch between games on a weekly/every other week basis. No one saw that coming. I think it also predicted the pros to come over sooner rather than hold onto BW so long. At this point, the GSL players have been able to have such a huge headstart.

This isn't saying I believe in the article either. It's saying it simply hasn't been disproven.
Simsallabin
Profile Joined June 2012
Nepal216 Posts
August 10 2012 13:40 GMT
#1184
On August 10 2012 22:36 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 22:30 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:27 Sated wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:53 Simsallabin wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:48 Sated wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:43 Simsallabin wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:41 Clafou wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:41 Uni1987 wrote:
elephant



Don't bring this crap here.


Roro slapped Leenock with a Elephant Trunk of massive force.

And all the other Kespa players are doing well, too... Oh, wait -.-;

This tournament has already proven the elephant in the room article wrong. Drop this bullshit and focus on the games.


I did focus on the game and what I saw was Roro using his trunk and slapping players left and right. Maybe he will loose at one point but still damn he's a sexy elephant. Tuut-tuut!

That article suggested that BW players would dominate SC2 players en masse within months of switching. Since that hasn't happened, the "elephant in the room" is dead.

We don't need all this elephant bullshit in every SC2 thread.

EDIT:

"More importantly, we are perfectly fine with Kespa pros needing as much as a year to dominate. As long as they dominate, they have proven their superiority. And they will."

Wrong, after a year they will be no better than people like DJRecco bursting onto the scene


The last OSL just ended last week. And you talk about the elephant being dead? These guys are still playing 2 games. Roro was playing SC1 in proleague just this week.

The article said within months of starting to play SC2. They've had that time. The article was wrong, the elephant is dead, shut the fuck up about it.


Article was right you just have to live with it my dear sir. Gogo Kespa players and the mighty elephant.
Woop!
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 13:42:18
August 10 2012 13:40 GMT
#1185
On August 10 2012 22:36 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 22:30 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:27 Sated wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:53 Simsallabin wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:48 Sated wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:43 Simsallabin wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:41 Clafou wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:41 Uni1987 wrote:
elephant



Don't bring this crap here.


Roro slapped Leenock with a Elephant Trunk of massive force.

And all the other Kespa players are doing well, too... Oh, wait -.-;

This tournament has already proven the elephant in the room article wrong. Drop this bullshit and focus on the games.


I did focus on the game and what I saw was Roro using his trunk and slapping players left and right. Maybe he will loose at one point but still damn he's a sexy elephant. Tuut-tuut!

That article suggested that BW players would dominate SC2 players en masse within months of switching. Since that hasn't happened, the "elephant in the room" is dead.

We don't need all this elephant bullshit in every SC2 thread.

EDIT:

"More importantly, we are perfectly fine with Kespa pros needing as much as a year to dominate. As long as they dominate, they have proven their superiority. And they will."

Wrong, after a year they will be no better than people like DJRecco bursting onto the scene


The last OSL just ended last week. And you talk about the elephant being dead? These guys are still playing 2 games. Roro was playing SC1 in proleague just this week.

The article said within months of starting to play SC2. They've had that time. The article was wrong, the elephant is dead, shut the fuck up about it.


Don't get so pissed about it.People are just having fun about the term " elephant ".
You know they aren't playing this game full time because they are still playing hybrid BW and SC2 in PL.
Until they started to fully transition into SC2 and started playing a few months later, then we will see again.
But i don't think they just rolled face over all the GOM player.
I think GOM and Kespa players will have an even footing in the end with Kespa players having a slight lead in the future IMO.


Play your best
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 13:41:26
August 10 2012 13:40 GMT
#1186
"The elephant in the room", or in other words "how to tear down in 2 pieces what could have been a great family otherwise".

Oh, well... nvm, seems thrashing each other's game seems to be the trend...

Seriously, I don't care that BW pros over-dominate the scene or not (currently, they aren't at all...), i'll look forward a great community, great players and great matches...

I really don't like this article. I mean, wth, according to its logic, ForGG should've been quite dominating in SC2 since he's won an MSL and no other SC2 players from BW did even reached Ro32 (or Ro16) in BW tournaments... And yet, he's never got past Code S Ro32... Does that mean that it's impossible for BW pros to dominate ? No. But come on, they won't automatically dominate either...
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StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
August 10 2012 13:42 GMT
#1187
On August 10 2012 22:36 FabledIntegral wrote:
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On August 10 2012 22:24 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:11 FabledIntegral wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:08 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:05 bgx wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:03 FabledIntegral wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:42 mikedebo wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:42 FabledIntegral wrote:
Really cool seeing Roro perform well since I've watched him for so long in BW, but I honestly feel ZvZ is the least satisfying victory.


PvP?


Ok, I should have said for Zerg. You're completely right . TvT is fine though (although 1 base allins aren't anything special to me either).

Mirrors that go to the lategame can be another story, although PvP is pretty boring throughout (although I find it surprisingly tense to playmid-lategame due to DT drops, warp prism mass zealot warp ins, and the volatility of the battles and lack of information. That, and I've lost 3 PvPs super lategame because I had a single observer in a maxed mothership vs mothership battle T_T).

BoX ZvZ is one of a kind MU. Its true that not understanding it missing 80% of joy. I still have goosebumps left from Dimaga vs nestea... how we figured out Nestea terrifing build order that basically made Nestea a god in korean ZvZ. He figured out it in 2 days.


ZvZ is an incredibly skill based mu. At every point in the game, ZvZ is tense, exciting, and volatile. Banes are not just right click and watch shit blow up. Tons and tons of micro. There are a TON of different openings that can be used. A ton of transitions into mid-game. In mid-game there is fast infestor tech for defense/harass, muta tech for map control, roach busts. In late game shit goes absolutely bonkers with roach/hydra/infestor wars. I don't get how anyone can say it is a boring or luck-based matchup. Either total chobos or just clueless never played it before type kids.


It's highly skilled, but that doesn't mean it's highly volatile. And the volatility is what I was referring to. ZvZ is a game where a single misclick can lose you the game in an instant. While a better player will prevent that from happening more often, that doesn't mean in individually isolated circumstances the element of luck isn't more heavily present than other matchups. This compounding with the fact BO is one of the more significant factors out of any MU, that's how I gather such a conclusion.

ZvZ has also always been one of my better matchups, so it's not like I've given up on it or anything. When I was on top of my game I could beat any foreign pro out there that I encountered on ladder, with the exception of Slush, who I remember going like 0-8 vs.


Yeah but that's what I've always loved about ZvZ. It's a stressful as hell MU and a single misclick can lose you the game but arguably that's how all zerg games go. ZvP is probably the most forgiving micro-wise, but ZvT and ZvZ are both super fragile. If you engage at all wrong or misclick at a crucial moment you can lose EVERYTHING. Especially back in the day when metagame vs T was to go that heavy muta cloud and try to just dissect them with it before critical thor mass.

Also, I think at the least ZvZ in SC2 is less volatile than BW. BW was seriously coin-flippy BOs into muta-scourge wars all day.

I dno, I feel like the volatility and the intensity of the matchup just elevates it to an art-form. The better player will drop a game here and there, but in a BoX or over a few seasons, the better player will always emerge victorious. And for me, what I saw in tonight's games, Roro just plain outplayed Leenock. It wasn't like a crazy bane detonation on a drone drill or some queen bugging out while trying to block ramp. It was just straight up late-game brilliance by Roro.

Especially game 3. He cold-clocked Leenock. He did exactly the transition Leenock did to him in game 2, except way better. He dropped spines to protect his 3rd and 4th while trading, instead of just lazily sitting on 2k mineral bank like Leenock did. He kept his drone count in the 50s to get an edge in army supply, yet still always managed to squeeze out the units he needed. Constantly scouted with overseers and changelings to keep track of Leenock's army, and spread creep aggressively. He just used the typical BW level of mechanics with constant roaming armies, multi-prongs, and insane amounts of scouting. It's what I've been dying to see for so long in SC2 and NOT getting it from the GSL players. Thank god Kespa has arrived.



But see, that volatility in individual games and Bo3's is what causes it to be somewhat more luck based. For example, I think a Bo7 ZvZ will much more likely have the winner with "more skill" than a Bo7 in PvP.

My ZvT slightly off topic opinion
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ZvT is honestly not that fragile, imo. You generally have time to prepare what's coming, etc. The only way it could be fragile is if a siege tank shot aggros your unit into running into battle. Otherwise, it's highly microable on both sides, although definitely more on the Terran side (siege tanks focus firing banelings, marines and potentially marauders splitting, and keeping medivacs safe from mutas) while Zerg needs to ensure banelings don't clump up (an issue if you use move command) but at the same time don't smash into tanks (if you use A move), while mutas need to target either medivacs/tanks, and then of course the infestors come into the equation. But really, you lose a handful of units, and you can still come back on either side np.


You lose all your lings in a ZvZ battle midgame results in your opponent taking your third and yours being denied, save for some counterattack fuckup.

I play Random on NA btw, high masters level. Haven't gotten GM in a while, but I'll go on midseason streaks where I'm playing for the most part top 20 GM's, so I get exposure to pretty much all our ladder has to offer. Still get beat down by players like Vines every time though when he was playing more regularly.


Yeah, I don't disagree with anything you're saying. You obv understand the game and MUs. I'm just a mid-level masters and have been inactive since season 4-5ish? I've only obsed the scene since, but I always did like ZvZ and ZvP. I think in this particular set though it didn't come down to volatility. I think Roro just flat out outplayed Leenock.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 10 2012 13:43 GMT
#1188
lol this argument all over again sigh haha
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United States6994 Posts
August 10 2012 13:43 GMT
#1189
MC is probably not happy that Leenock lost lol
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
August 10 2012 13:44 GMT
#1190
I just wanted to come here to congratulate RorO on the upset, but I think I will just leave...
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
August 10 2012 13:44 GMT
#1191
On August 10 2012 21:48 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 21:43 Simsallabin wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:41 Clafou wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:41 Uni1987 wrote:
elephant



Don't bring this crap here.


Roro slapped Leenock with a Elephant Trunk of massive force.

And all the other Kespa players are doing well, too... Oh, wait -.-;

This tournament has already proven the elephant in the room article wrong. Drop this bullshit and focus on the games.

Lol dude. That article didn't include practicing two games at once lol and you have no right to speak on all the other Kespa players because you have no idea how they are doing. The fact that even one Kespa player has even made it this far while playing two games at once in a span of 3 months is scary enough for the current SC2 players. Like I have said before, there was a reason why these players were in Kespa at the end of Brood War and a reason why players like Leenock and the current SC2 pros didn't make it in and those reasons are starting to show. Even some of the worst the worst ex 2010 and below Kespa players are at the top of SC2 (MC,MVP, and Nestea) so it is only natural that they will eventually surpass them.
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
August 10 2012 13:45 GMT
#1192
On August 10 2012 22:36 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 22:30 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:27 Sated wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:53 Simsallabin wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:48 Sated wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:43 Simsallabin wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:41 Clafou wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:41 Uni1987 wrote:
elephant



Don't bring this crap here.


Roro slapped Leenock with a Elephant Trunk of massive force.

And all the other Kespa players are doing well, too... Oh, wait -.-;

This tournament has already proven the elephant in the room article wrong. Drop this bullshit and focus on the games.


I did focus on the game and what I saw was Roro using his trunk and slapping players left and right. Maybe he will loose at one point but still damn he's a sexy elephant. Tuut-tuut!

That article suggested that BW players would dominate SC2 players en masse within months of switching. Since that hasn't happened, the "elephant in the room" is dead.

We don't need all this elephant bullshit in every SC2 thread.

EDIT:

"More importantly, we are perfectly fine with Kespa pros needing as much as a year to dominate. As long as they dominate, they have proven their superiority. And they will."

Wrong, after a year they will be no better than people like DJRecco bursting onto the scene


The last OSL just ended last week. And you talk about the elephant being dead? These guys are still playing 2 games. Roro was playing SC1 in proleague just this week.

The article said within months of starting to play SC2. They've had that time. The article was wrong, the elephant is dead, shut the fuck up about it.

EDIT:

And don't mistake this as malice towards those players or BW. I hope they do change over and show us some good games. My point is that they haven't done what that article said they would (completely roflstomp everyone within months of switching) and so everyone should stop mentioning fucking elephants.


But the elephant in the room was never that they would stomp within months. The elephant was that they are better than your MCs and Nesteas. The elephant is only defeated if your MCs and Nesteas remain competetive. Why is such a simple argument constantly misunderstood? I don't understand. Of course in the article it was stated that they could (at the time) come and potentially dominate within few months. But that was not the elephant. The elephant was that MCs and Nesteas are inferior.
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setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
August 10 2012 13:47 GMT
#1193
On August 10 2012 22:36 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 22:30 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On August 10 2012 22:27 Sated wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:53 Simsallabin wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:48 Sated wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:43 Simsallabin wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:41 Clafou wrote:
On August 10 2012 21:41 Uni1987 wrote:
elephant



Don't bring this crap here.


Roro slapped Leenock with a Elephant Trunk of massive force.

And all the other Kespa players are doing well, too... Oh, wait -.-;

This tournament has already proven the elephant in the room article wrong. Drop this bullshit and focus on the games.


I did focus on the game and what I saw was Roro using his trunk and slapping players left and right. Maybe he will loose at one point but still damn he's a sexy elephant. Tuut-tuut!

That article suggested that BW players would dominate SC2 players en masse within months of switching. Since that hasn't happened, the "elephant in the room" is dead.

We don't need all this elephant bullshit in every SC2 thread.

EDIT:

"More importantly, we are perfectly fine with Kespa pros needing as much as a year to dominate. As long as they dominate, they have proven their superiority. And they will."

Wrong, after a year they will be no better than people like DJRecco bursting onto the scene


The last OSL just ended last week. And you talk about the elephant being dead? These guys are still playing 2 games. Roro was playing SC1 in proleague just this week.

The article said within months of starting to play SC2. They've had that time. The article was wrong, the elephant is dead, shut the fuck up about it.

EDIT:

And don't mistake this as malice towards those players or BW. I hope they do change over and show us some good games. My point is that they haven't done what that article said they would (completely roflstomp everyone within months of switching) and so everyone should stop mentioning fucking elephants.


They haven't even fully switched yet, and when they do, who cares if it is 1 month or 4? KeSPA players will be the best sooner or later mostly due to their training environment, probably soon after HotS releases.
DeCoder
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland236 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 13:50:45
August 10 2012 13:48 GMT
#1194
To me the games with Leenock and RorO were about Leenock making mistakes and coming back through superior understanding of the game. Sadly for him he got behind too often and eventually lost. Leenock lost the match more so than RorO won it.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 13:51:06
August 10 2012 13:48 GMT
#1195
On August 10 2012 22:40 Ragnarork wrote:
"The elephant in the room", or in other words "how to tear down in 2 pieces what could have been a great family otherwise".

Oh, well... nvm, seems thrashing each other's game seems to be the trend...

Seriously, I don't care that BW pros over-dominate the scene or not (currently, they aren't at all...), i'll look forward a great community, great players and great matches...

I really don't like this article. I mean, wth, according to its logic, ForGG should've been quite dominating in SC2 since he's won an MSL and no other SC2 players from BW did even reached Ro32 (or Ro16) in BW tournaments... And yet, he's never got past Code S Ro32... Does that mean that it's impossible for BW pros to dominate ? No. But come on, they won't automatically dominate either...


ForGG is kind of a special case. On one hand, he beat the motherfucking Tyrant in an MSL finals. On the other, he was always laughed at for his utterly horrible micro and multi-tasking, as in he didn't even bother microing. He was very much a gimmicky ee-han timing player, sort of like a baby OOV. He came up with these great little builds that somehow gave him a ridic amount of units at timings where it shouldn't be possible. Then he'd just smash into the other player with it and keep on rallying reinforcements in to keep up the attack.

He had that one great run in MSL with that playstyle, but the most important thing to note is that ForGG won that MSL vs a fellow teammate. Vs a guy he's played a ridic # of times in practice. Team-kill matches are always really really strange, because the players know each other so damn well it comes down to all kinds of mind games where even a Bo5 can turn into a coinflip.

After that one MSL, ForGG just sort of died on the vine. He never did anything else of note. Lost a ton of games in PL and then got benched. So, no, ForGG is not really a top-tier Kespa player despite medalling once in a star league. He's probably one of the wonkiest fluke winners there's been in recent BW history.

Edit: Also, it was never going to be one big happy family lol. Ofc BW fans are going to have a chip on their shoulder, especially when SC2 is what killed their game. If you want to blame anyone, blame Morhaime and their legal shenanigans to shut down the BW scene. Also, BW fans have a ton of pride. No way we want to see our gods humbled by some newbie upstarts.
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
August 10 2012 13:50 GMT
#1196
On August 10 2012 22:40 Ragnarork wrote:
"The elephant in the room", or in other words "how to tear down in 2 pieces what could have been a great family otherwise".

Oh, well... nvm, seems thrashing each other's game seems to be the trend...

Seriously, I don't care that BW pros over-dominate the scene or not (currently, they aren't at all...), i'll look forward a great community, great players and great matches...

I really don't like this article. I mean, wth, according to its logic, ForGG should've been quite dominating in SC2 since he's won an MSL and no other SC2 players from BW did even reached Ro32 (or Ro16) in BW tournaments... And yet, he's never got past Code S Ro32... Does that mean that it's impossible for BW pros to dominate ? No. But come on, they won't automatically dominate either...


Just because ForGG ended up not crushing is in no way in contrast with the article. Sure, it does not further the elephant in any way, but in the article it was mentioned that they have the potential to dominate. Potential. Not automatic domination.
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BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
August 10 2012 13:51 GMT
#1197
On August 10 2012 22:48 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 22:40 Ragnarork wrote:
"The elephant in the room", or in other words "how to tear down in 2 pieces what could have been a great family otherwise".

Oh, well... nvm, seems thrashing each other's game seems to be the trend...

Seriously, I don't care that BW pros over-dominate the scene or not (currently, they aren't at all...), i'll look forward a great community, great players and great matches...

I really don't like this article. I mean, wth, according to its logic, ForGG should've been quite dominating in SC2 since he's won an MSL and no other SC2 players from BW did even reached Ro32 (or Ro16) in BW tournaments... And yet, he's never got past Code S Ro32... Does that mean that it's impossible for BW pros to dominate ? No. But come on, they won't automatically dominate either...


ForGG is kind of a special case. On one hand, he beat the motherfucking Tyrant in an MSL finals. On the other, he was always laughed at for his utterly horrible micro and multi-tasking, as in he didn't even bother microing. He was very much a gimmicky ee-han timing player, sort of like a baby OOV. He came up with these great little builds that somehow gave him a ridic amount of units at timings where it shouldn't be possible. Then he'd just smash into the other player with it and keep on rallying reinforcements in to keep up the attack.

He had that one great run in MSL with that playstyle, but the most important thing to note is that ForGG won that MSL vs a fellow teammate. Vs a guy he's played a ridic # of times in practice. Team-kill matches are always really really strange, because the players know each other so damn well it comes down to all kinds of mind games where even a Bo5 can turn into a coinflip.

After that one MSL, ForGG just sort of died on the vine. He never did anything else of note. Lost a ton of games in PL and then got benched. So, no, ForGG is not really a top-tier Kespa player despite medalling once in a star league. He's probably one of the wonkiest fluke winners there's been in recent BW history.


Dude. Preach this shit!
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
August 10 2012 13:51 GMT
#1198
On August 10 2012 22:48 DeCoder wrote:
To me the games with Leenock and RorO were about Leenock making mistakes and coming back through superior understanding of the game. Sadly for him he got behind too often and eventually lost. Leenock lost the match more so than RorO won it.


Perhaps that speaks more about the level of GSL players if they always lose their games rather than their opponent winning.
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BlindKill
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Australia1508 Posts
August 10 2012 13:53 GMT
#1199
I would give the elephant theory until end of this year, which is a few months from now ( consistent with that paragraph everyone quotes from elephant thread). My prediction is that they will be capable of competing with the GOMs but not dominate. I dont really know what is the requirement for "domination" so how about >65% winrate between Kespa v GOM by the end of this year. ( or 60%, since the stats will be pulled down by the Bisus :> )
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Sweden16951 Posts
August 10 2012 13:54 GMT
#1200
It's pretty stupid to talk about the elephant until they actually make a full switch. Kespa players are currently playing two games professionally, it's not a fair playing field yet.
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