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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
August 09 2012 12:15 GMT
#1221
On August 09 2012 21:08 raga4ka wrote:

You can't control a big army in BW like that if you don't use more then 3 control groups . Jaedong may only use 3 control groups for units , because he has small hands , but other players use 4 - 5 sometimes even more . How the hell do you think that terran and protoss move a maxed army in PvT ?


I don't know how many hotkeys other bw pros use but hotkeys are more for army movement, not control. 1a2a3a4a of the same unit type is no different from 1a in sc2.
SC2ShoWTimE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany722 Posts
August 09 2012 12:15 GMT
#1222
On August 09 2012 21:13 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:12 Kreb wrote:
Zergs dying at BL morph time..... Im starting to think Zergs really need to be less commited to getting BLs out and focusing on surviving the push instead....


Problem is that you need broodlords to hold that push at all


not really. look how stephano defends such a push. he builds a lot of corrupter to snipe the colossai and then reinforces with mass ling/infestor because protoss will only have blink stalker left.
Progamer
Mtuhk
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland129 Posts
August 09 2012 12:16 GMT
#1223
If MC takes this 2-0, he will be up 14-0 in maps vZ in a row. Gogo! Make it happen! :D
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 12:18:45
August 09 2012 12:17 GMT
#1224
On August 09 2012 21:13 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:12 Kreb wrote:
Zergs dying at BL morph time..... Im starting to think Zergs really need to be less commited to getting BLs out and focusing on surviving the push instead....


Problem is that you need broodlords to hold that push at all

Maybe, not saying it easy. But roach/ling/infestor can trade very efficiently agaisnt stalker/immortal/sentry if you setup flanks. If they have colossi, add corruptors.

Not saying it wouldve been a win, but I think it wouldve been much closer had Leenock not thrown away 50+ ling for 12ish probes (to free up supply) and then maxed out on roaches + corruptors with the 18 (?) infestors he had and all the lings he'd had if he didnt throw them away. Reinforce with pure lings (supposing he killed all colossi with corruptors). Then morph BLs with leftover corruptors once all colossi are down and counterattack. I've seen other Zergs (mostly stephano) crush Ps when they move into spine range with that comp.
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
August 09 2012 12:17 GMT
#1225
On August 09 2012 21:15 ShoWTimE94 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:13 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:12 Kreb wrote:
Zergs dying at BL morph time..... Im starting to think Zergs really need to be less commited to getting BLs out and focusing on surviving the push instead....


Problem is that you need broodlords to hold that push at all


not really. look how stephano defends such a push. he builds a lot of corrupter to snipe the colossai and then reinforces with mass ling/infestor because protoss will only have blink stalker left.


No way you hold against a 200/200 protoss army like that with roach/ling/infestor corrupters. Just no way. Corrupter just don't scale well at all in big fights. And masses of Blink Stalkers are super strong either way.
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bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 12:17:45
August 09 2012 12:17 GMT
#1226
On August 09 2012 21:08 raga4ka wrote:
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On August 09 2012 21:04 babysimba wrote:
No, you guys don't get what i mean. Move command banelings clump up automatically, if you box a certain area and move command them to spread them out manually again, the lings that are in that area also get move commanded which is not ideal.
This is why korean zergs don't even bother move commanding banelings against spread army. Just get a large surface and blast everything in, even if banelings hit tanks it's still reliable.

and 5 control groups is not normal even in BW -_-. Progamers rely primarily on mouse control for micro. JD used only 3 control grps for units. Flash used 2 control grps in MLG like most code s terrans do until vikings are out.




You can't control a big army in BW like that if you don't use more then 3 control groups . Jaedong may only use 3 control groups for units , because he has small hands , but other players use 4 - 5 sometimes even more .

And some players use mouse by big extent. Like Stephano, yes he is headbutting his infestors but he has like one of the best drop defenses because he is fast with click deselects. And this type of customed control helps him going toe-to-toe with players who were capable of using full range of 1-0 hotkey in BW.
Stork[gm]
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Korea (South)2440 Posts
August 09 2012 12:17 GMT
#1227
On August 09 2012 21:13 MCDayC wrote:
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On August 09 2012 21:11 Scarlett` wrote:
If Leenock started hive at same time as he did spire he would've won that game 100% >< I don't understand...............

Can you explain what you mean by that? He looked too far behind no matter what the brood lord timing to me, MC had cancelled Leenock's 5th twice and defended multiple without any probe loss.

He can't take the 5th anyway on that map, as that collosus stalker timing will kill it no matter what (can't put spines in position to defend it really), and having 8 brood lords finished -before the fight- on top of that large spine wall, with that many infestors means it is impossible for MC to break that
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firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
August 09 2012 12:18 GMT
#1228
talkin bout australia!!! f&*( yea!
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MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
August 09 2012 12:18 GMT
#1229
On August 09 2012 21:13 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:11 Scarlett` wrote:
If Leenock started hive at same time as he did spire he would've won that game 100% >< I don't understand...............

Can you explain what you mean by that? He looked too far behind no matter what the brood lord timing to me, MC had cancelled Leenock's 5th twice and defended multiple without any probe loss.

I think that if leenock had done his spire timing correctly he would've had broodlords in time before the spine wall was broken and also wouldn't have had to waste all his infestor energy trying to delay the push
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
August 09 2012 12:19 GMT
#1230
Moonglade getting a shout out. Wish I could go to WCS this weekend. ><
Long live the King of Wings
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
August 09 2012 12:19 GMT
#1231
On August 09 2012 21:17 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:15 ShoWTimE94 wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:13 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:12 Kreb wrote:
Zergs dying at BL morph time..... Im starting to think Zergs really need to be less commited to getting BLs out and focusing on surviving the push instead....


Problem is that you need broodlords to hold that push at all


not really. look how stephano defends such a push. he builds a lot of corrupter to snipe the colossai and then reinforces with mass ling/infestor because protoss will only have blink stalker left.


No way you hold against a 200/200 protoss army like that with roach/ling/infestor corrupters. Just no way. Corrupter just don't scale well at all in big fights. And masses of Blink Stalkers are super strong either way.


You have to be careful with the Corruptor count and also need to take a good engagement with Spine support, then you can actually hold that push with Roach-Corruptor-Infestor-Spine and good reinforcements.
Well, you need the right army, the bank and the Spine Crawlers.
Definitely not easy to hold without Broodlords but it is possible.
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SC2ShoWTimE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany722 Posts
August 09 2012 12:19 GMT
#1232
On August 09 2012 21:17 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 21:15 ShoWTimE94 wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:13 DrPandaPhD wrote:
On August 09 2012 21:12 Kreb wrote:
Zergs dying at BL morph time..... Im starting to think Zergs really need to be less commited to getting BLs out and focusing on surviving the push instead....


Problem is that you need broodlords to hold that push at all


not really. look how stephano defends such a push. he builds a lot of corrupter to snipe the colossai and then reinforces with mass ling/infestor because protoss will only have blink stalker left.


No way you hold against a 200/200 protoss army like that with roach/ling/infestor corrupters. Just no way. Corrupter just don't scale well at all in big fights. And masses of Blink Stalkers are super strong either way.


you have to know it i guess.
Progamer
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
August 09 2012 12:20 GMT
#1233
rofl Khaldor saying Spinecrawlers sounded like a .wav file - particularly the last one hahahah
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
August 09 2012 12:20 GMT
#1234
On August 09 2012 21:20 liberate71 wrote:
rofl Khaldor saying Spinecrawlers sounded like a .wav file - particularly the last one hahahah


We need a ringtone with that line.
The Bomber boy
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
August 09 2012 12:21 GMT
#1235
That's because a majority of Australia's landmass is an inhospitable desert that no one in their right mind would want to live in.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 09 2012 12:21 GMT
#1236
Btw guys, are there any vods of yesterday's games?
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
August 09 2012 12:22 GMT
#1237
On August 09 2012 21:21 Vindicare605 wrote:
That's because a majority of Australia's landmass is an inhospitable desert that no one in their right mind would want to live in.

are you saying native australians are not in their right mind?
bisu
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 09 2012 12:22 GMT
#1238
wow nice play
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valentine1
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia129 Posts
August 09 2012 12:23 GMT
#1239
On August 09 2012 21:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Btw guys, are there any vods of yesterday's games?


yeah, but they're subscription only on gomtv not sure where else you could find them.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
August 09 2012 12:23 GMT
#1240
That's a lot of Mutalisks.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
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