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On August 06 2012 21:06 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
welcome to sc2 where there are 200x more variables you have to keep in mind compared to BW...
gotta tech to infestors faster... and not good broods on antiga...
nonetheless mechanics were spot on as expected.
Maybe you can explain how the former BW b-team pros couldn't handle 200x less variables in BW?
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Someone who's only been playing Starcraft 2 for a few months while also practicing Brood War isn't yet as good as people who've been playing for two years and practice full time? WOW. O_O
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On August 06 2012 21:10 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:05 Myrddraal wrote:On August 06 2012 20:59 aRyuujin wrote:really agree with clide. It’s just they still lack experiences in early game. In mid-to-late game, KeSPA and GSL players are almost the same level. Hmm I don't really see how that works, considering that early game is where they would have the most practice as every game you play the early game. I think late game would favour GSL players a lot more not because they would necessarily have better multitasking, but they would know what to do with their multitasking, and what to potentially expect from their opponents. Clide was making a point about many different builds that exist in SC2, compared to BW.
basically what this guy said. there are so many random cheeses and rushes in sc2 that the players simply haven't played against enough to hold as well. That's why you see people fold to proxy marauder, 2 rax, etc. so easily.
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On August 06 2012 21:09 Causality~ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:04 mememolly wrote:
roaches are probably the worst unit to build there, even gold leaguers know this, sad to watch, BW mechanics but gold league unit comp and builds and execution It was the only thing he could have gone with the time given, after that fuck up against the marines in the start, and roach bane ling is pretty good against MMM, if your banes connect, which they didnt do, so stfu plox.
ling/bling is also pretty good if the blings connect... i don't know how it's inferior, in fact it's probably better given he did not upgrade roach attack but melee attack.
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On August 06 2012 21:10 bgx wrote:
Well to be frank Jaedong is not the best Kespa player, Reality, Jangbi, Baby gave me a better impression. Seems like JD have problems with drone timings and tech. And a decision making. You can still feel his mindset is still favoring BW a little.
I admit I haven't seen too much of Jangbi or Baby's play in SC2, but I do agree with Reality leaving a good impression. I think Reality is one to watch out in the future, his future in SC2 looks bright imo.
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On August 06 2012 21:09 grungust wrote:
JD would have won that first game on a more balanced map. JD could have very easily won this match against a legit code s terran. Despite the 0-2 loss, JD still looked impressive.
Blaming balance (even if its map balance) is a really stupid thing to do, JD lost straight up, don't try to dodge it.
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On August 06 2012 21:11 Bromazepam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:08 TheDougler wrote:Alright, so I'm gonna be asking this question a bunch over the coming months, and I figure tonight is a good night to start asking: Poll: Has the Elephant been slain tonight?Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer. (58) 58% No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene (32) 32% Not yet, but it's looking like it will be. (10) 10% 100 total votes Your vote: Has the Elephant been slain tonight? (Vote): No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene
(Vote): Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer.
(Vote): Not yet, but it's looking like it will be.
How about "no, give them a few months and they'll be at the same level"?
Because that's not what the alleged elephant in the room is. If they're at the same level then that article is WRONG. There isn't an elephant in the room and the SC2 pros that were good before the switch over weren't ONLY good because the Kespa players didn't switch over.
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Everything went as expected. The Kespa players looked decent and showed their potential but of course they are not on the same level as the GSL players quite yet. I guess the Kespa players got unlucky that the WCS qualifier still happens in the time they have to play that stupid (my opinion) Hybrid league system and can't fully practice SC2
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On August 06 2012 21:11 Bromazepam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:08 TheDougler wrote:Alright, so I'm gonna be asking this question a bunch over the coming months, and I figure tonight is a good night to start asking: Poll: Has the Elephant been slain tonight?Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer. (58) 58% No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene (32) 32% Not yet, but it's looking like it will be. (10) 10% 100 total votes Your vote: Has the Elephant been slain tonight? (Vote): No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene
(Vote): Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer.
(Vote): Not yet, but it's looking like it will be.
How about "no, give them a few months and they'll be at the same level"?
The elephant is that KeSPA will dominate the SC2 scene. The elephant being slain could mean either that they'll catch up and compete on an even level with current SC2 pros or that they'll never catch up (highly unlikely).
Which means, there's two options that you could vote on with your opinion.
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Now it's time for all the idiots to come out and tell everyone that Jaedong has only been practicing SC2 for a few weeks and that he will roflstomp Alive in a matter of days.
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I think Jaedong got the worse possible out of the maps . Daybreak and Entombed would have favour him more . Kespa players are better on biger maps .
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On August 06 2012 21:09 Shock710 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:06 aRyuujin wrote:On August 06 2012 21:05 Chenz wrote:On August 06 2012 21:03 shineq wrote:I'm kinda sad now, I wanted to see the Kespa players do well  Reality is still in the tournament, and he's actually quite good. If a KeSPA player would have a decent shot in this tournament, it's him. sad to see Light not in this, he's one of the best kespa players at sc2. lights fangirl is sooo pretty ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hePIO.jpg)
more pics of lightgirl pls :D
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On August 06 2012 21:13 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:11 Bromazepam wrote:On August 06 2012 21:08 TheDougler wrote:Alright, so I'm gonna be asking this question a bunch over the coming months, and I figure tonight is a good night to start asking: Poll: Has the Elephant been slain tonight?Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer. (58) 58% No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene (32) 32% Not yet, but it's looking like it will be. (10) 10% 100 total votes Your vote: Has the Elephant been slain tonight? (Vote): No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene
(Vote): Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer.
(Vote): Not yet, but it's looking like it will be.
How about "no, give them a few months and they'll be at the same level"? Because that's not what the alleged elephant in the room is. If they're at the same level then that article is WRONG. There isn't an elephant in the room and the SC2 pros that were good before the switch over weren't ONLY good because the Kespa players didn't switch over.
How about the thread is wrong because it was made over a year ago?
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I agree he should have gone infestors at that point (or taken a big risk and gone muta, though he might have died before he had a good muta count). Roach ling bane is good vs marine tank but not really against mmm.
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Does someone have a list of songs that was played today?
If no, does somebody know what the song was the was played before the Jaedong vs Alive match. + Show Spoiler +Raised in the hood, made in the hood, something along those lines
Thanks
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On August 06 2012 21:12 Aeceus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:10 mememolly wrote:On August 06 2012 21:09 Aeceus wrote:On August 06 2012 21:07 mememolly wrote:On August 06 2012 21:05 Thinasy wrote:On August 06 2012 21:04 mememolly wrote:
roaches are probably the worst unit to build there, even gold leaguers know this, sad to watch, BW mechanics but gold league unit comp and builds and execution Just stop posting please. why? because I have a different opinion to you? No because you are wrong. how is it wrong? just saying something is wrong or telling someone to go away isn't exactly convincing Like 10 other people are telling you why its wrong, look at them plz.
errr, one other person told me to "go away" and you said that roaches are good in JD's situation in g2 without explaining why, plz explain how roaches are good against rine marauder and medivac
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On August 06 2012 21:13 Yello wrote:
Everything went as expected. The Kespa players looked decent and showed their potential but of course they are not on the same level as the GSL players quite yet. I guess the Kespa players got unlucky that the WCS qualifier still happens in the time they have to play that stupid (my opinion) Hybrid league system and can't fully practice SC2
No, the hybrid league being stupid isn't an opinion, it's a universally accepted fact. :p
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On August 06 2012 21:11 moochu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:05 aRyuujin wrote:On August 06 2012 21:01 Nekovivie wrote:On August 06 2012 20:59 xrapture wrote:
What's the point of even having this type of tournament? These Kespa players play at a masters level... These GSL players were shit as well back in the open season days. Give these Kespa players a while and they'll get good too. To be fair, GSL players didn't all have access to the training houses, weren't all the most talented RTS players on the planet, (or if they were really talented, were fairly old and past their prime (aka July, Boxer, NaDa), many didn't have access to years of training in starcraft full time, and most of all, had to develop their own strategies and figure stuff out, while the KeSPA players come into a far more mature metagame with builds ripe for the stealing. I think generally build stealing is a terrible way to train because as soon as something cause unaccording to plan everything falls apart.
yeah most of the bw pros have played the game for so long and understand it so well, that there are all these tiny small adjustments set in their build orders to respond to anothers play to cut corners and gain a tiny advantage which they can carry and use later into the game, its pretty quite cool to see when u try and copy their build orders on iccup and get crushed by something and realised that they have ways of dealing with it and you didnt know about because u only had a variation of a build order, i suspect the gom players have that as well, so i guess the bw players need to get up to there before their true colours shine!
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On August 06 2012 21:13 raga4ka wrote:
I think Jaedong got the worse possible out of the maps . Daybreak and Entombed would have favour him more . Kespa players are better on biger maps .
Wut.
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On August 06 2012 21:08 TheDougler wrote:Alright, so I'm gonna be asking this question a bunch over the coming months, and I figure tonight is a good night to start asking: Poll: Has the Elephant been slain tonight?Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer. (58) 58% No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene (32) 32% Not yet, but it's looking like it will be. (10) 10% 100 total votes Your vote: Has the Elephant been slain tonight? (Vote): No, give them six months and they will dominate the scene
(Vote): Yes, if GSL pro gaming is a farce these games would have been closer.
(Vote): Not yet, but it's looking like it will be.
This poll seems to have rather extreme choices. Neither do i feel that GSL is a farce and that the games would have been closer, nor do am i VERY SURE that in 6 months time kespa players will dominate.
What I feel is something more moderate where more kespa players will eventually compete at Code S level, but they won't be dominating the scenes either. Code S players will still have the slight edge but eventually the gap will be closed and both kespa and gsl players have almost equal representation in tourneys.
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