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Please everyone, stop the balance whining.

This is the only warning before bans will be handed out, effective page 53.
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
August 03 2012 16:17 GMT
#1781
On August 04 2012 01:16 MVTaylor wrote:
Okay well the french decided to go ahead and get fOrGG to start his match with PuMa on their stream, no english coverage of it.


wtf is that "legal" ?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 03 2012 16:17 GMT
#1782
On August 04 2012 01:12 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 01:11 Plansix wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:09 Shiori wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:08 Poisonblack wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:07 Mouzone wrote:
How did Naama beat Suppy 3-0? :D

by outplaying him like he just did with hero game 2? :D

Lol, if you think that was "outplay" rather than a massive gamble you need to take off your biased goggles.


Shiori, I normally agree with you, but a hidden CC is a good plan against protoss. Most standard builds are so thin on units and rely on turtling, sneaking in a CC isn't bad if you plan to deal with it once it is found.

Losing is getting outplayed.

I didn't say it was a bad idea. I said it's basically a build order win. I mean, yes, Naama obviously deserved to win the game, but there wasn't any showcase of immense skill to "shut up the haters" or whatever.

Why do you need to show "immense skill" to shut up the haters?

He's showed he can play well straight-up numerous times. "fluking" a win against a top player shouldn't be a negative there, even the first game he lost was very well played by him.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 03 2012 16:17 GMT
#1783
On August 04 2012 01:16 Type|NarutO wrote:
After watching a lot of replays, I don't understand why Protoss doesn't go for a well executed 4 gate pressure after expansion against Naama. Cloak would not be in time (after expansion) to kill or damage the protoss even with a very delayed robotics and 1 or 2 bunkers can be easily broken by the 4 gate pressure with chrono'ing the gates.

Makes me wonder. Does any Protoss want to give me info on that?


he sometimes does 1rax FE into 4raxes and bad things happen to the 4gater. I think they just don't want to throw the coin.
Zest fanboy.
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
August 03 2012 16:17 GMT
#1784
On August 04 2012 01:16 Type|NarutO wrote:
After watching a lot of replays, I don't understand why Protoss doesn't go for a well executed 4 gate pressure after expansion against Naama. Cloak would not be in time (after expansion) to kill or damage the protoss even with a very delayed robotics and 1 or 2 bunkers can be easily broken by the 4 gate pressure with chrono'ing the gates.

Makes me wonder. Does any Protoss want to give me info on that?


this

I'm looking at Naama's build and still can't understand how he just doesn't die to any 3-4-5 gate
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-03 16:19:25
August 03 2012 16:18 GMT
#1785
On August 04 2012 01:17 n0ise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 01:16 Type|NarutO wrote:
After watching a lot of replays, I don't understand why Protoss doesn't go for a well executed 4 gate pressure after expansion against Naama. Cloak would not be in time (after expansion) to kill or damage the protoss even with a very delayed robotics and 1 or 2 bunkers can be easily broken by the 4 gate pressure with chrono'ing the gates.

Makes me wonder. Does any Protoss want to give me info on that?


this

I'm looking at Naama's build and still can't understand how he just doesn't die to any 3-4-5 gate


he can get tanks first and it should be okish, here it's greedy but nice scv scout so...
my dreams of chocho train are about to be real.
Zest fanboy.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 03 2012 16:18 GMT
#1786
On August 04 2012 01:17 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 01:16 Type|NarutO wrote:
After watching a lot of replays, I don't understand why Protoss doesn't go for a well executed 4 gate pressure after expansion against Naama. Cloak would not be in time (after expansion) to kill or damage the protoss even with a very delayed robotics and 1 or 2 bunkers can be easily broken by the 4 gate pressure with chrono'ing the gates.

Makes me wonder. Does any Protoss want to give me info on that?


he sometimes does 1rax FE into 4raxes and bad things happen to the 4gater. I think they just don't want to throw the coin.


How is 4 barracks pressure a problem to a 4gate after expansion? At best the Terran player will see it and deny it, but cannot counter nor pressure. You have 4 gateways and will at worst be behind in economy a bit, but still with superior tech as you have gas while he has not...

Now again, whats the reason not to do it :D?
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
starception
Profile Joined August 2012
205 Posts
August 03 2012 16:19 GMT
#1787
On August 04 2012 01:15 revel8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 01:12 Shiori wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:11 Plansix wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:09 Shiori wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:08 Poisonblack wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:07 Mouzone wrote:
How did Naama beat Suppy 3-0? :D

by outplaying him like he just did with hero game 2? :D

Lol, if you think that was "outplay" rather than a massive gamble you need to take off your biased goggles.


Shiori, I normally agree with you, but a hidden CC is a good plan against protoss. Most standard builds are so thin on units and rely on turtling, sneaking in a CC isn't bad if you plan to deal with it once it is found.

Losing is getting outplayed.

I didn't say it was a bad idea. I said it's basically a build order win. I mean, yes, Naama obviously deserved to win the game, but there wasn't any showcase of immense skill to "shut up the haters" or whatever.


You shouldn't need to showcase immense skill to shut the haters up. Hating on players is pointless and damages the SC2 foreign scene, as well as this website.


how does hating a player hurt sc2? players like major who do stupid shit like bming and changing names every week deserves the hate... or how about hating on orb for being a blatant biggot?

it's like in real sports like when athletes like kobe bryant raped someone or michael vick who did dog fights.. hating on them brings them attention, which also brings attention to esports, which is a good thing
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-03 16:20:10
August 03 2012 16:19 GMT
#1788
On August 04 2012 01:17 BlitzerSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 01:16 MVTaylor wrote:
Okay well the french decided to go ahead and get fOrGG to start his match with PuMa on their stream, no english coverage of it.


wtf is that "legal" ?


I'm not there but it seems to have basically just been Mill dudes got fOrGG to start his game. Weppas/Trance had no clue what was happening so they are just going to roll with it.

After HerO/Naama is done and they've had a short break Khaldor + Wolf will be back on Stream 2 with SortOf vs Titan so I assume that'll leave Stream 1 with TLO/Apollo and Moon/IdrA
@followMVT
KonohaFlash
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1590 Posts
August 03 2012 16:19 GMT
#1789
On August 04 2012 01:19 starception wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 01:15 revel8 wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:12 Shiori wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:11 Plansix wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:09 Shiori wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:08 Poisonblack wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:07 Mouzone wrote:
How did Naama beat Suppy 3-0? :D

by outplaying him like he just did with hero game 2? :D

Lol, if you think that was "outplay" rather than a massive gamble you need to take off your biased goggles.


Shiori, I normally agree with you, but a hidden CC is a good plan against protoss. Most standard builds are so thin on units and rely on turtling, sneaking in a CC isn't bad if you plan to deal with it once it is found.

Losing is getting outplayed.

I didn't say it was a bad idea. I said it's basically a build order win. I mean, yes, Naama obviously deserved to win the game, but there wasn't any showcase of immense skill to "shut up the haters" or whatever.


You shouldn't need to showcase immense skill to shut the haters up. Hating on players is pointless and damages the SC2 foreign scene, as well as this website.


how does hating a player hurt sc2? players like major who do stupid shit like bming and changing names every week deserves the hate... or how about hating on orb for being a blatant biggot?

it's like in real sports like when athletes like kobe bryant raped someone or michael vick who did dog fights.. hating on them brings them attention, which also brings attention to esports, which is a good thing

I think you need to calm down.
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
August 03 2012 16:20 GMT
#1790
On August 04 2012 01:18 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 01:17 n0ise wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:16 Type|NarutO wrote:
After watching a lot of replays, I don't understand why Protoss doesn't go for a well executed 4 gate pressure after expansion against Naama. Cloak would not be in time (after expansion) to kill or damage the protoss even with a very delayed robotics and 1 or 2 bunkers can be easily broken by the 4 gate pressure with chrono'ing the gates.

Makes me wonder. Does any Protoss want to give me info on that?


this

I'm looking at Naama's build and still can't understand how he just doesn't die to any 3-4-5 gate


he can get tanks first and it should be okish, here it's greedy but nice scv scout so...
my dreams of chocho train are about to be real.


this game he doesn't even have siege for the latest 6gate, not even talking about 4/5 gate

but ok, maybe it's a bit coin-flippy
escobari
Profile Joined July 2010
Finland192 Posts
August 03 2012 16:20 GMT
#1791
Ah bad luck naama got hero
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
August 03 2012 16:20 GMT
#1792
BIIIIIIIT BYYYYYY BIIIIIIIIT !!!!!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 03 2012 16:21 GMT
#1793
On August 04 2012 01:12 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 01:11 Plansix wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:09 Shiori wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:08 Poisonblack wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:07 Mouzone wrote:
How did Naama beat Suppy 3-0? :D

by outplaying him like he just did with hero game 2? :D

Lol, if you think that was "outplay" rather than a massive gamble you need to take off your biased goggles.


Shiori, I normally agree with you, but a hidden CC is a good plan against protoss. Most standard builds are so thin on units and rely on turtling, sneaking in a CC isn't bad if you plan to deal with it once it is found.

Losing is getting outplayed.

I didn't say it was a bad idea. I said it's basically a build order win. I mean, yes, Naama obviously deserved to win the game, but there wasn't any showcase of immense skill to "shut up the haters" or whatever.


I don't really judge skill based on my opinion of a paticular build. As far as we know, Naama watched 20 of Hero's games on this map and knew that he never scouted that location. People downplay the thought that may go into those sorts of risks and just assume that it is a thoughtless "Well, this will either win or it won't".

No one ever downlplays a players skill when a poker player is bluffing, or a football team for doing a pass fake. I get tried of it in SC2.

But the proof will be if Naama can follow it up and win the set.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
August 03 2012 16:21 GMT
#1794
Gogogo HerO!
Long live the King of Wings
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 03 2012 16:21 GMT
#1795
On August 04 2012 01:18 Type|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 01:17 sAsImre wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:16 Type|NarutO wrote:
After watching a lot of replays, I don't understand why Protoss doesn't go for a well executed 4 gate pressure after expansion against Naama. Cloak would not be in time (after expansion) to kill or damage the protoss even with a very delayed robotics and 1 or 2 bunkers can be easily broken by the 4 gate pressure with chrono'ing the gates.

Makes me wonder. Does any Protoss want to give me info on that?


he sometimes does 1rax FE into 4raxes and bad things happen to the 4gater. I think they just don't want to throw the coin.


How is 4 barracks pressure a problem to a 4gate after expansion? At best the Terran player will see it and deny it, but cannot counter nor pressure. You have 4 gateways and will at worst be behind in economy a bit, but still with superior tech as you have gas while he has not...

Now again, whats the reason not to do it :D?


hmm you're a bit better than me but in my experience 4rax 2gas has a nice window against 1gFe 4g.
i don't remember which foreigner T who said that kor P almost never do this build and don't do quick pressure after 1g FE in PvT.
Zest fanboy.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
August 03 2012 16:22 GMT
#1796
lol mirror builds for these guys
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
August 03 2012 16:22 GMT
#1797
On August 04 2012 01:21 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 01:12 Shiori wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:11 Plansix wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:09 Shiori wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:08 Poisonblack wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:07 Mouzone wrote:
How did Naama beat Suppy 3-0? :D

by outplaying him like he just did with hero game 2? :D

Lol, if you think that was "outplay" rather than a massive gamble you need to take off your biased goggles.


Shiori, I normally agree with you, but a hidden CC is a good plan against protoss. Most standard builds are so thin on units and rely on turtling, sneaking in a CC isn't bad if you plan to deal with it once it is found.

Losing is getting outplayed.

I didn't say it was a bad idea. I said it's basically a build order win. I mean, yes, Naama obviously deserved to win the game, but there wasn't any showcase of immense skill to "shut up the haters" or whatever.


I don't really judge skill based on my opinion of a paticular build. As far as we know, Naama watched 20 of Hero's games on this map and knew that he never scouted that location. People downplay the thought that may go into those sorts of risks and just assume that it is a thoughtless "Well, this will either win or it won't".

No one ever downlplays a players skill when a poker player is bluffing, or a football team for doing a pass fake. I get tried of it in SC2.

But the proof will be if Naama can follow it up and win the set.

Maybe it's just me, but I find Naama's tactical genius difficult to maintain in light of how weirdly poorly he engaged that Chargelot/Archon force.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
August 03 2012 16:22 GMT
#1798
On August 04 2012 01:21 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 01:18 Type|NarutO wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:17 sAsImre wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:16 Type|NarutO wrote:
After watching a lot of replays, I don't understand why Protoss doesn't go for a well executed 4 gate pressure after expansion against Naama. Cloak would not be in time (after expansion) to kill or damage the protoss even with a very delayed robotics and 1 or 2 bunkers can be easily broken by the 4 gate pressure with chrono'ing the gates.

Makes me wonder. Does any Protoss want to give me info on that?


he sometimes does 1rax FE into 4raxes and bad things happen to the 4gater. I think they just don't want to throw the coin.


How is 4 barracks pressure a problem to a 4gate after expansion? At best the Terran player will see it and deny it, but cannot counter nor pressure. You have 4 gateways and will at worst be behind in economy a bit, but still with superior tech as you have gas while he has not...

Now again, whats the reason not to do it :D?


hmm you're a bit better than me but in my experience 4rax 2gas has a nice window against 1gFe 4g.
i don't remember which foreigner T who said that kor P almost never do this build and don't do quick pressure after 1g FE in PvT.


Would just love to see a bit of aggression out of HerO ! Guess we won't find out sadly.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
August 03 2012 16:22 GMT
#1799
Blood massacre!
ヾ(@⌒_⌒@)ノ
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
August 03 2012 16:23 GMT
#1800
Choo choo!
I've got moves like Jagger
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