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Please everyone, stop the balance whining.

This is the only warning before bans will be handed out, effective page 53.
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
August 03 2012 16:23 GMT
#1801
He needed more SCVs
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 03 2012 16:23 GMT
#1802
On August 04 2012 01:22 Type|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 01:21 sAsImre wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:18 Type|NarutO wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:17 sAsImre wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:16 Type|NarutO wrote:
After watching a lot of replays, I don't understand why Protoss doesn't go for a well executed 4 gate pressure after expansion against Naama. Cloak would not be in time (after expansion) to kill or damage the protoss even with a very delayed robotics and 1 or 2 bunkers can be easily broken by the 4 gate pressure with chrono'ing the gates.

Makes me wonder. Does any Protoss want to give me info on that?


he sometimes does 1rax FE into 4raxes and bad things happen to the 4gater. I think they just don't want to throw the coin.


How is 4 barracks pressure a problem to a 4gate after expansion? At best the Terran player will see it and deny it, but cannot counter nor pressure. You have 4 gateways and will at worst be behind in economy a bit, but still with superior tech as you have gas while he has not...

Now again, whats the reason not to do it :D?


hmm you're a bit better than me but in my experience 4rax 2gas has a nice window against 1gFe 4g.
i don't remember which foreigner T who said that kor P almost never do this build and don't do quick pressure after 1g FE in PvT.


Would just love to see a bit of aggression out of HerO ! Guess we won't find out sadly.

just a 3gate expo would do wonders if you can prevent scouting
Zest fanboy.
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
August 03 2012 16:24 GMT
#1803
On August 04 2012 01:15 revel8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 01:12 Shiori wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:11 Plansix wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:09 Shiori wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:08 Poisonblack wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:07 Mouzone wrote:
How did Naama beat Suppy 3-0? :D

by outplaying him like he just did with hero game 2? :D

Lol, if you think that was "outplay" rather than a massive gamble you need to take off your biased goggles.


Shiori, I normally agree with you, but a hidden CC is a good plan against protoss. Most standard builds are so thin on units and rely on turtling, sneaking in a CC isn't bad if you plan to deal with it once it is found.

Losing is getting outplayed.

I didn't say it was a bad idea. I said it's basically a build order win. I mean, yes, Naama obviously deserved to win the game, but there wasn't any showcase of immense skill to "shut up the haters" or whatever.


You shouldn't need to showcase immense skill to shut the haters up. Hating on players is pointless and damages the SC2 foreign scene, as well as this website.


Doesn't mean it doesn't happen
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
August 03 2012 16:24 GMT
#1804
fOrGG-PuMa on Millenium TV.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
August 03 2012 16:24 GMT
#1805
On August 04 2012 01:17 n0ise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 01:16 Type|NarutO wrote:
After watching a lot of replays, I don't understand why Protoss doesn't go for a well executed 4 gate pressure after expansion against Naama. Cloak would not be in time (after expansion) to kill or damage the protoss even with a very delayed robotics and 1 or 2 bunkers can be easily broken by the 4 gate pressure with chrono'ing the gates.

Makes me wonder. Does any Protoss want to give me info on that?


this

I'm looking at Naama's build and still can't understand how he just doesn't die to any 3-4-5 gate


I would hazard a guess as to it being because not a lot of pro players have studied a lot of Naama replays.
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
August 03 2012 16:24 GMT
#1806
Smart by Hero to engage at the middle with storms and shit before he gets to the high ground
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
August 03 2012 16:25 GMT
#1807
Such patient play by HerO, very well handled.. Naama must be feeling like he's running out of options here, HerO held that very convincingly.. Wouldn't be surprised to see some heavy proxy rax action in this game
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 03 2012 16:25 GMT
#1808
Sure is nice that I don't need to gringe when watching these commercials because everything they've said about the Asus DirectCu II is actually true, they tend to be really cheap as well.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
August 03 2012 16:25 GMT
#1809
Puma losing the techlab researching siege...he's pretty much dead
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 03 2012 16:25 GMT
#1810
On August 04 2012 01:22 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 01:21 Plansix wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:12 Shiori wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:11 Plansix wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:09 Shiori wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:08 Poisonblack wrote:
On August 04 2012 01:07 Mouzone wrote:
How did Naama beat Suppy 3-0? :D

by outplaying him like he just did with hero game 2? :D

Lol, if you think that was "outplay" rather than a massive gamble you need to take off your biased goggles.


Shiori, I normally agree with you, but a hidden CC is a good plan against protoss. Most standard builds are so thin on units and rely on turtling, sneaking in a CC isn't bad if you plan to deal with it once it is found.

Losing is getting outplayed.

I didn't say it was a bad idea. I said it's basically a build order win. I mean, yes, Naama obviously deserved to win the game, but there wasn't any showcase of immense skill to "shut up the haters" or whatever.


I don't really judge skill based on my opinion of a paticular build. As far as we know, Naama watched 20 of Hero's games on this map and knew that he never scouted that location. People downplay the thought that may go into those sorts of risks and just assume that it is a thoughtless "Well, this will either win or it won't".

No one ever downlplays a players skill when a poker player is bluffing, or a football team for doing a pass fake. I get tried of it in SC2.

But the proof will be if Naama can follow it up and win the set.


Maybe it's just me, but I find Naama's tactical genius difficult to maintain in light of how weirdly poorly he engaged that Chargelot/Archon force.


I did not notice that part, since I am watching on "crappo-vision" on my Iphone. You could be proven right in the next 2 games, but we will see. Naama is not going to be able to take that big of a risk again, so he will need to dig a bit deeper to find something else.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
August 03 2012 16:25 GMT
#1811
If haters criplle the sc2 foreign scene then it could never survive anyways
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
August 03 2012 16:25 GMT
#1812
Khaldor sponsored by monster ?
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 03 2012 16:25 GMT
#1813
On August 04 2012 01:25 Whatson wrote:
Puma losing the techlab researching siege...he's pretty much dead


horrible building placement.
Zest fanboy.
Taktik
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland680 Posts
August 03 2012 16:26 GMT
#1814
EG.Khaldor??
Maitolasi
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland441 Posts
August 03 2012 16:26 GMT
#1815
I hope Naama can atleast take it to a 5th game. I want to see more games by him
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 03 2012 16:26 GMT
#1816
ForGG already kicking ass i see.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
August 03 2012 16:26 GMT
#1817
DON'T STOP ME NOW!
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
nikoYO
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany131 Posts
August 03 2012 16:27 GMT
#1818
On August 04 2012 01:24 Boucot wrote:
fOrGG-PuMa on Millenium TV.


anyone knows a english stream or german? :D i cant watch forgg, but i can watch 4x naama vs hero....nice :D
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
August 03 2012 16:28 GMT
#1819
On August 04 2012 01:27 nikoYO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 01:24 Boucot wrote:
fOrGG-PuMa on Millenium TV.


anyone knows a english stream or german? :D i cant watch forgg, but i can watch 4x naama vs hero....nice :D


Millenium TV got their player to start his game before any other Group C or D game started. So the only broadcast is in French.

Go figure.
@followMVT
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
August 03 2012 16:28 GMT
#1820
(T)PuMa vs. (T)fOrGG currently 1-1, g3 has started, map is cloud kingdom
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
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