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Slimijs
Profile Joined December 2010
Latvia65 Posts
July 22 2012 18:33 GMT
#1281
On July 23 2012 03:32 Kurumi wrote:
I was away for like 10 minutes and it's already Game 4? What happened?!


Chill, it's an extended series.
VIVA LA FRANCE!
RawrbHero
Profile Joined September 2010
United States165 Posts
July 22 2012 18:33 GMT
#1282
On July 23 2012 03:32 Kurumi wrote:
I was away for like 10 minutes and it's already Game 4? What happened?!

Alicia went for DT's, got spotted, LOL PVP
Its not today that im worried about, but tomorrow that scares the shit out of me...
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
July 22 2012 18:33 GMT
#1283
On July 23 2012 03:32 Kurumi wrote:
I was away for like 10 minutes and it's already Game 4? What happened?!

Nah, game two. Don't forget extended series.
+ Show Spoiler +
Now please don't say anything about whether this is fair or not.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
July 22 2012 18:33 GMT
#1284
Is this best of 7 or what?
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
July 22 2012 18:33 GMT
#1285
On July 23 2012 03:29 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 03:28 Kevan wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:26 yeint wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:23 nojok wrote:
I don't think the extended series rule is fair, double elimination bracket means to me that if you lose twice you're out but a player getting the advantage because of this rule can lose twice and still be in. How is this fair?


Starcraft is a game of limited information. If two players have met once, they've played their hand, and the winner has shown his best, winning strategy. The loser now knows what that strategy is, and can counter it specifically. Thereby, if the same players meet again, the loser needs to win more games, to remove that advantage.

Didn't they say that it's specifically about not being able to get knocked out by one player even though you didn't have a worse head to head score?


That would be a dumb reason to keep it. They really need to get rid of extended series.

I believe the reason previously was people don't tank pool games to avoid certain opponents or help teammates, but it's not guaranteed anyway, and it definitely should not be used in Open Bracket / Arena play.

Well it does kind of make some sense. If I would get knocked out by Sven123 in the losers bracket 1-2 despite having an overall score of 3-2 against him since I won 2-0 in the winners bracket then that would suck. That's what they said on Lo3(?) recently atleast.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
July 22 2012 18:33 GMT
#1286
I overslept badly, but at least I got to miss Stephano being beaten. But I really hope I'll get to see Taeja win Go go!
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
July 22 2012 18:33 GMT
#1287
On July 23 2012 03:32 Kurumi wrote:
I was away for like 10 minutes and it's already Game 4? What happened?!

extended series
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
July 22 2012 18:34 GMT
#1288
On July 23 2012 03:29 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 03:25 FairForever wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:22 yeint wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:21 FairForever wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:20 yeint wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:17 FairForever wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:15 Darpa wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:14 tree.hugger wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:12 Yaki wrote:
Is MLG going to remove extended series some day ? I mean are they just keeping it to annoy everyone ? I see no valid point in keeping it and it is really unfair.
Ironically, the only positive of extended series is actually that it is fair.



Pretty much this, its gives the person who won an advantage and the person who lost a disadvantage, how is that no fair.


You don't understand what fair means.

It's fair but it's stupid. Saying that the person who lost the match starts with a 2-0 advantage in the extended series (instead of the winner) is also fair. But it's also stupid.


What? No, that's NOT fair. It's fair to give an advantage to the player who already beat the guy once, it's not fair to do the opposite.

If player A and player B meet in round 7, and player B loses, it's decidedly unfair to let player B get a clean slate in round 3 if they meet again.

The only problem with extended series is that it makes for terribad finals.


You don't understand what fair means. It's still fair.

I hate Extended Series and hope they get rid of it. Just tree.hugger based his post on semantics (the word "fair"), and none of you understand.

Trust me, my name has the word "fair" in it, I know what it means.


I wish my name had "facedesk" in it, because it's what I'm doing right now.


I understand what you said, and I agree that's why they should get rid of extended series. Because it's stupid.

But extended series is technically, as tree.hugger said, fair. Each player has an equal opportunity to be advantaged by the rule as disadvantaged. Unfair would be something like Idra starting with a 1-0 lead in every series, or if the bracket was configured in such a way that, prior to any games being played, certain individuals were more likely to start with an extended series lead than a deficit (which is not the case at all).

So, the rule is actually fair.



you just spent your last three posts telling us we didnt know what fair was.... and now your switching and saying its stupid but fair... well played.


Read again.

Go back to my history - I've never liked the Extended Series rule. But it is technically fair, by the definition of fair.

Read this for a definition of fair

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091217130340AAs0gh2

And tell me how extended series is not fair.

The issue is that people are saying "how is it fair? The one who lost the original series is less likely to win the subsequent one"

^ That is true. But the tournament structure is fair because prior to anyone winning or losing, all results are equally likely.
Alvin853
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany149 Posts
July 22 2012 18:34 GMT
#1289
On July 23 2012 03:32 Kurumi wrote:
I was away for like 10 minutes and it's already Game 4? What happened?!

It's actually game 5, because extended series tied at 2-2 now
Production has been almost perfect all weekend, but today they messed up the colors on the Losira-First game and now can't even add 2+2
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 22 2012 18:34 GMT
#1290
Thanks guys, was wondering if that's the case!
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 22 2012 18:35 GMT
#1291
On July 23 2012 03:33 Mozdk wrote:
Is this best of 7 or what?

yes and the score is 2-2 from extended series
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Robson13
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom248 Posts
July 22 2012 18:35 GMT
#1292
On July 23 2012 03:33 Yaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 03:32 Kurumi wrote:
I was away for like 10 minutes and it's already Game 4? What happened?!

extended series

This ISN'T extended series. This is normal double elimination rules.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
July 22 2012 18:35 GMT
#1293
On July 23 2012 03:32 Crushinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 03:27 FairForever wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:26 Yaki wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:21 FairForever wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:20 yeint wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:17 FairForever wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:15 Darpa wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:14 tree.hugger wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:12 Yaki wrote:
Is MLG going to remove extended series some day ? I mean are they just keeping it to annoy everyone ? I see no valid point in keeping it and it is really unfair.
Ironically, the only positive of extended series is actually that it is fair.



Pretty much this, its gives the person who won an advantage and the person who lost a disadvantage, how is that no fair.


You don't understand what fair means.

It's fair but it's stupid. Saying that the person who lost the match starts with a 2-0 advantage in the extended series (instead of the winner) is also fair. But it's also stupid.


What? No, that's NOT fair. It's fair to give an advantage to the player who already beat the guy once, it's not fair to do the opposite.

If player A and player B meet in round 7, and player B loses, it's decidedly unfair to let player B get a clean slate in round 3 if they meet again.

The only problem with extended series is that it makes for terribad finals.


You don't understand what fair means. It's still fair.

I hate Extended Series and hope they get rid of it. Just tree.hugger based his post on semantics (the word "fair"), and none of you understand.

Trust me, my name has the word "fair" in it, I know what it means.

If 2 players meet in the winners bracket and player A beats player B, then play B loses against player C in the winners bracket, player A and player B meet again in the losers bracket and they should start at 0-0 because they both lost once in the winners bracket and their first match should be irrevelant. That's how I see it but I might be wrong.


I'm going to assume you meant Player A lost against Player C, since that would make logical sense.

Let's say all the games were 2-0, for simplicity's sake.

Player A now has a 2-0 lead on Player B. This is stupid.

BUT: Equally as likely, Player B could've beaten Player A and had a 2-0 lead on Player A.

So it goes both ways - the rule is fair.

Again, I hate extended series and want it gone, but as tree.hugger said, the one thing about the rule that is okay is it is applied equally to all players, hence fair.


I completely disagree that it is fair. I think the person the advantage given to the winner of the previous series is unfair because he has done nothing to deserve it. At the moment of the match both people have lost an equal amount of games, and the loser has won more to make up for losing earlier. There is no valid rationale why the previous series should count. I don't think your definition of fair makes any sense, I don't think the only requirement for fairness is equal application.


I agree that the winner doesn't "deserve" a 2-0 or 2-1 advantage. But that doesn't change the mathematical definition of fair.
Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
July 22 2012 18:36 GMT
#1294
On July 23 2012 03:33 Yaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 03:32 Kurumi wrote:
I was away for like 10 minutes and it's already Game 4? What happened?!

extended series

I thought MLG got rid of the extented series..?
"Everybody poops.... after Tasteless kills them" Artosis
skrotcyk
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden432 Posts
July 22 2012 18:36 GMT
#1295
On July 23 2012 03:33 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 03:29 FairForever wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:28 Kevan wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:26 yeint wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:23 nojok wrote:
I don't think the extended series rule is fair, double elimination bracket means to me that if you lose twice you're out but a player getting the advantage because of this rule can lose twice and still be in. How is this fair?


Starcraft is a game of limited information. If two players have met once, they've played their hand, and the winner has shown his best, winning strategy. The loser now knows what that strategy is, and can counter it specifically. Thereby, if the same players meet again, the loser needs to win more games, to remove that advantage.

Didn't they say that it's specifically about not being able to get knocked out by one player even though you didn't have a worse head to head score?


That would be a dumb reason to keep it. They really need to get rid of extended series.

I believe the reason previously was people don't tank pool games to avoid certain opponents or help teammates, but it's not guaranteed anyway, and it definitely should not be used in Open Bracket / Arena play.

Well it does kind of make some sense. If I would get knocked out by Sven123 in the losers bracket 1-2 despite having an overall score of 3-2 against him since I won 2-0 in the winners bracket then that would suck. That's what they said on Lo3(?) recently atleast.


Yeah, but you have still lost 1 more series so you have more losses overall than Sven123, therefore it's fair and doesn't make sense.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
July 22 2012 18:36 GMT
#1296
On July 23 2012 03:36 Titorelli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 03:33 Yaki wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:32 Kurumi wrote:
I was away for like 10 minutes and it's already Game 4? What happened?!

extended series

I thought MLG got rid of the extented series..?


I thought so too
RawrbHero
Profile Joined September 2010
United States165 Posts
July 22 2012 18:36 GMT
#1297
On July 23 2012 03:35 Robson13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 03:33 Yaki wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:32 Kurumi wrote:
I was away for like 10 minutes and it's already Game 4? What happened?!

extended series

This ISN'T extended series. This is normal double elimination rules.

This. A thousand times this.
Its not today that im worried about, but tomorrow that scares the shit out of me...
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
July 22 2012 18:36 GMT
#1298
On July 23 2012 03:35 Robson13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 03:33 Yaki wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:32 Kurumi wrote:
I was away for like 10 minutes and it's already Game 4? What happened?!

extended series

This ISN'T extended series. This is normal double elimination rules.

they started the series at 2-1, how is that not extended series ????
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 22 2012 18:36 GMT
#1299
On July 23 2012 03:35 Robson13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 03:33 Yaki wrote:
On July 23 2012 03:32 Kurumi wrote:
I was away for like 10 minutes and it's already Game 4? What happened?!

extended series

This ISN'T extended series. This is normal double elimination rules.

Yes it is. It's extended series and the score started at 2-1 in favor of alicia
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yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
July 22 2012 18:36 GMT
#1300
I'm going to need a new desk, and possibly a new face. Yahoo Answers citations and the "mathematical definition of fair".
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
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