On July 23 2012 02:16 Zinnwaldite wrote:
he's proposing to EG,, i got buff,, give me money..
he's proposing to EG,, i got buff,, give me money..
No chinstrap, your theory is false.
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
On July 23 2012 02:16 Zinnwaldite wrote: he's proposing to EG,, i got buff,, give me money.. No chinstrap, your theory is false. | ||
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Silentenigma
Turkey2037 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On July 23 2012 02:14 HaXXspetten wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2012 02:13 TeeTS wrote: On July 23 2012 02:10 Quintum_ wrote: Those Carriers seemed to melt so fast, seemed like he almost got broken. Without the dts i think oz might of lost. Mass VRs would do just as good in that situation and i think would of been better. Yeah, if you support them with colossi or Templar against infested Terrans, I think there is nothing a Void Ray can't do, that a Carrier does.... how bout surviving fungal? the 250 HP make them much more durable to fungal growth than Vikings are with their 125 HP.... | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On July 23 2012 02:17 Dandy_Moustachu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2012 02:15 Figgy wrote: On July 23 2012 02:04 Za7oX wrote: so much for this Just shows how many fanboys stephano has really. If Stephano wasn't in the loser bracket I would have voted for him, but he was in the losers having to beat Oz with an Extended series, but also needing to beat Alicia coming from the losers. Chances of that happening was very slim. Taeja got my vote. If Stephano have'nt said that he doesn't care about arena as long as he get a good seed for MLG I would have voted for him :D Didn't he say " don't expect anything from me at NASL " too? And he won that, so I wouldn't say just because he says he " only cares about getting the pool play seed " he won't try his best to win 10k. | ||
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masterchip27
United States284 Posts
On July 23 2012 02:05 Shiori wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2012 02:04 Ziggitz wrote: On July 23 2012 02:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote: How are there so few posts in this thread? O_o Insane game. So well played by Oz. It's because of posts like this that I stopped coming to live report threads. Oz did not play amazingly well. Stephano misread his build and Oz executed a build that any low masters player can execute. Because Stephano cut essentially 10 drones or so to produce those lings that couldn't attack, the game was over at that point. Everything else was superfluous. Too bad most low Masters players play less predictably than Stephano does. Maybe he should actually practice rather than relying on 1 build to win him everything. Right, because Stephano was using the roach all in in every ZvP for the past week. ...........derp did you even watch the games? | ||
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
On July 23 2012 02:14 DwD wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2012 02:11 MuseMike wrote: On July 23 2012 02:03 DwD wrote: On July 23 2012 02:02 MuseMike wrote: On July 23 2012 02:01 DwD wrote: And this is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER make carriers ? If Stephano had 5 more corruptors he would've died. They are sooo weak for the investment you make 5 more corrupters? Oz had like 12-13 carriers left. We only saw one clump on screen. What? No way.. He lost surely some 10~ when the fight was over. There is no way he had 23 of them in the start He had 7 left. So 5 corruptors still would have done nothing. | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On July 23 2012 02:14 vesicular wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2012 02:12 Dfgj wrote: On July 23 2012 02:11 Chytilova wrote: On July 23 2012 02:10 ACrow wrote: On July 23 2012 02:08 Dfgj wrote: On July 23 2012 02:07 HolydaKing wrote: On July 23 2012 02:04 Hassybaby wrote: On July 23 2012 02:03 Coffin wrote: On July 23 2012 02:02 MuseMike wrote: On July 23 2012 02:01 DwD wrote: And this is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER make carriers ? He is right actually, they were falling so fast, that investment could have proved fatal in a closer game I think. Start of fight: 27 Corrupters with infested Terran support vs 13 Carriers End of fight: 4 Corrupters vs 7 Carriers ..... Yeah, 3-3-3 upgrades carriers ARE cost efficiently. The upgrades are a must though. Er I tried maxed 3-3-3 carriers vs 3-3 corruptors in unit tester, all carriers die, 30% of corruptors die. But an army maxed out on carriers is something you can actually use, and army solely consisting of corrupters is useless. Not sure what your point is. This. When has anyone maxed on corrupters? The question was 'cost effectiveness', so you compare costs. Oz won with Carriers. Seems cost effective to me. Oz won. Seems cost effective to me ![]() | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On July 23 2012 02:16 Nausea wrote: I don´t get it, so protoss can now win vs zerg? I thought it was impossible from what i´ve been hearing the last couple of months. Anyway, great play by Oz. Impossible isn't the same as more difficult than it should be. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On July 23 2012 02:19 TeeTS wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2012 02:14 HaXXspetten wrote: On July 23 2012 02:13 TeeTS wrote: On July 23 2012 02:10 Quintum_ wrote: Those Carriers seemed to melt so fast, seemed like he almost got broken. Without the dts i think oz might of lost. Mass VRs would do just as good in that situation and i think would of been better. Yeah, if you support them with colossi or Templar against infested Terrans, I think there is nothing a Void Ray can't do, that a Carrier does.... how bout surviving fungal? the 250 HP make them much more durable to fungal growth than Vikings are with their 125 HP.... still nothing compared to carriers, plus a totally different level of clumping tendencies | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On July 23 2012 02:15 Azarkon wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2012 02:14 Chytilova wrote: On July 23 2012 02:12 Azarkon wrote: On July 23 2012 02:11 Chytilova wrote: On July 23 2012 02:10 ACrow wrote: On July 23 2012 02:08 Dfgj wrote: On July 23 2012 02:07 HolydaKing wrote: On July 23 2012 02:04 Hassybaby wrote: On July 23 2012 02:03 Coffin wrote: On July 23 2012 02:02 MuseMike wrote: [quote] ? He is right actually, they were falling so fast, that investment could have proved fatal in a closer game I think. Start of fight: 27 Corrupters with infested Terran support vs 13 Carriers End of fight: 4 Corrupters vs 7 Carriers ..... Yeah, 3-3-3 upgrades carriers ARE cost efficiently. The upgrades are a must though. Er I tried maxed 3-3-3 carriers vs 3-3 corruptors in unit tester, all carriers die, 30% of corruptors die. But an army maxed out on carriers is something you can actually use, and army solely consisting of corrupters is useless. Not sure what your point is. This. When has anyone maxed on corrupters? You understand that corrupters transform into brood lords, yes? ??? Corrupters are not broodlords though. I don't get it. Here's what you do when the Protoss MAXES OUT on carriers and you just lost your army. Max out on corrupters. Kill the carrier army, losing about 30-40% of your corrupters. Transform half of them into brood lords, and kill the Protoss before he is able to remax on carriers. The above requires you to be ahead of the Protoss in economy, which Zerg has to be. ~70workers vs ~70workers. It's not possible to be ahead in economy in the lategame. You can mine a bit more gas. Basically 2geysers. Also you know, the point of carriers is, that you go carrier AFTER you forced mass Broodlords with a massive Deathball army. So once he is on Broodlords and a Protoss trades ground army for ground army (or does a counter like Oz did), Zerg would have to kill his own Broodlords to make room for more corruptors, at which point the Protoss could easily warp in 20stalkers at once. --> Carriers in the lategame are a clever move, the transition is questionable, due to the amount of time it takes, but the Carrier itself is great. | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
Btw, the carrier debate is retarded. In a even top level game you just don't have time to get the carrier uber expensive ball. Oz got it because he was REALLY ahead. | ||
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ratbert
Germany1041 Posts
On July 23 2012 02:17 Malinor wrote: This threads reads now as if Stephano did disappoint. He made top6 and took out 3 koreans on the way. Even if he was the best player in the world (which he probably isn't), he wouldn't win tournaments every week. Top6 in such a stacked lineup after winning last week is superb. And some people still talk stuff like "One build, doesn't train, that's what you get for that"-nonsense. Get a grip. Oz played fantastically all 5 games against Stephano and won convincingly. It happens. someone with a brain. thanks for posting that. couln't be said any better | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On July 23 2012 02:19 Silentenigma wrote: Why do we still have extended series rule.I remember they removed it sometime. They never removed it, in the last arenas they had a different format that didn't use extended series. Alas, they changed the format to this weird dual, loser's bracket thingie. | ||
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
On July 23 2012 02:18 yeint wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2012 02:16 Zinnwaldite wrote: On July 23 2012 02:15 tuho12345 wrote: Damn is Alicia on steroid lately? he's proposing to EG,, i got buff,, give me money.. No chinstrap, your theory is false. He's too STEEL to grow one,, hair can't grow on STEEL... EG will forgive the STEEL.. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On July 23 2012 02:19 MuseMike wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2012 02:14 DwD wrote: On July 23 2012 02:11 MuseMike wrote: On July 23 2012 02:03 DwD wrote: On July 23 2012 02:02 MuseMike wrote: On July 23 2012 02:01 DwD wrote: And this is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER make carriers ? If Stephano had 5 more corruptors he would've died. They are sooo weak for the investment you make 5 more corrupters? Oz had like 12-13 carriers left. We only saw one clump on screen. What? No way.. He lost surely some 10~ when the fight was over. There is no way he had 23 of them in the start He had 7 left. So 5 corruptors still would have done nothing. I don't think he's suggesting 5 corruptors arrive at the end of the fight. 5 being there at the start are going to be pretty effective since they kill more carriers quicker and etc Still not enough, but coulda helped. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On July 23 2012 02:19 masterchip27 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2012 02:05 Shiori wrote: On July 23 2012 02:04 Ziggitz wrote: On July 23 2012 02:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote: How are there so few posts in this thread? O_o Insane game. So well played by Oz. It's because of posts like this that I stopped coming to live report threads. Oz did not play amazingly well. Stephano misread his build and Oz executed a build that any low masters player can execute. Because Stephano cut essentially 10 drones or so to produce those lings that couldn't attack, the game was over at that point. Everything else was superfluous. Too bad most low Masters players play less predictably than Stephano does. Maybe he should actually practice rather than relying on 1 build to win him everything. Right, because Stephano was using the roach all in in every ZvP for the past week. ...........derp did you even watch the games? I've watched every single Stephano game from NASL and MLG Arena. He's doing Roach/Ling every single game, as far as I can recall. Not a single Muta or Ultralisk or anything in sight. | ||
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
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Hiea
Denmark1538 Posts
On July 23 2012 02:15 Figgy wrote: Just shows how many fanboys stephano has really. If Stephano wasn't in the loser bracket I would have voted for him, but he was in the losers having to beat Oz with an Extended series, but also needing to beat Alicia coming from the losers. Chances of that happening was very slim. Taeja got my vote. By how many fan boys you mean 104? thats not a lot, the vast majority of people don't participate in these polls. | ||
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iwearcapes
France157 Posts
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