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tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
July 22 2012 17:15 GMT
#781
Damn is Alicia on steroid lately?
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
July 22 2012 17:15 GMT
#782
I actually prefer a void ray / storm combination ultra lategame. Carriers are too slow and void rays are faster to get out + imo as cost efficient vs corruptors with storm to kill ITs.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
July 22 2012 17:15 GMT
#783
On July 23 2012 02:14 Chytilova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 02:12 Azarkon wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:11 Chytilova wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:10 ACrow wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:08 Dfgj wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:07 HolydaKing wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:04 Hassybaby wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:03 Coffin wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:02 MuseMike wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:01 DwD wrote:
And this is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER make carriers

?


He is right actually, they were falling so fast, that investment could have proved fatal in a closer game I think.


Start of fight: 27 Corrupters with infested Terran support vs 13 Carriers
End of fight: 4 Corrupters vs 7 Carriers

.....

Yeah, 3-3-3 upgrades carriers ARE cost efficiently. The upgrades are a must though.

Er

I tried maxed 3-3-3 carriers vs 3-3 corruptors in unit tester, all carriers die, 30% of corruptors die.

But an army maxed out on carriers is something you can actually use, and army solely consisting of corrupters is useless. Not sure what your point is.


This. When has anyone maxed on corrupters?


You understand that corrupters transform into brood lords, yes?


???

Corrupters are not broodlords though. I don't get it.


What's there to get? Carriers are good against ground after an air battle, Corruptors can be morphed into Broodlords after a battle, to be good against ground.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
July 22 2012 17:15 GMT
#784
On July 23 2012 02:14 Chytilova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 02:12 Azarkon wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:11 Chytilova wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:10 ACrow wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:08 Dfgj wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:07 HolydaKing wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:04 Hassybaby wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:03 Coffin wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:02 MuseMike wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:01 DwD wrote:
And this is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER make carriers

?


He is right actually, they were falling so fast, that investment could have proved fatal in a closer game I think.


Start of fight: 27 Corrupters with infested Terran support vs 13 Carriers
End of fight: 4 Corrupters vs 7 Carriers

.....

Yeah, 3-3-3 upgrades carriers ARE cost efficiently. The upgrades are a must though.

Er

I tried maxed 3-3-3 carriers vs 3-3 corruptors in unit tester, all carriers die, 30% of corruptors die.

But an army maxed out on carriers is something you can actually use, and army solely consisting of corrupters is useless. Not sure what your point is.


This. When has anyone maxed on corrupters?


You understand that corrupters transform into brood lords, yes?


???

Corrupters are not broodlords though. I don't get it.


Here's what you do when the Protoss MAXES OUT on carriers and you just lost your army.

Max out on corrupters.

Kill the carrier army, losing about 30-40% of your corrupters.

Transform half of them into brood lords, and kill the Protoss before he is able to remax on carriers.

The above requires you to be ahead of the Protoss in economy, which Zerg has to be.
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
July 22 2012 17:15 GMT
#785
On July 23 2012 02:04 Za7oX wrote:
so much for this

Poll: Who will win?

Taeja (119)
 
35%

Stephano (115)
 
34%

Oz (42)
 
12%

Alicia (41)
 
12%

LosirA (15)
 
4%

First (9)
 
3%

341 total votes

Your vote: Who will win?

(Vote): Oz
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): LosirA
(Vote): First
(Vote): Alicia
(Vote): Taeja



Just shows how many fanboys stephano has really. If Stephano wasn't in the loser bracket I would have voted for him, but he was in the losers having to beat Oz with an Extended series, but also needing to beat Alicia coming from the losers. Chances of that happening was very slim.

Taeja got my vote.
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
July 22 2012 17:16 GMT
#786
Depressing that we will see another extended series.

I hope its the last.
Off-season = best season
Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
July 22 2012 17:16 GMT
#787
On July 23 2012 02:15 tuho12345 wrote:
Damn is Alicia on steroid lately?


he's proposing to EG,, i got buff,, give me money..
We promise with a view to hope, but the reason to "accomplish" what we promised would be fear.
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
July 22 2012 17:16 GMT
#788
gsl with apollo almost happened :O
yo
johnny123
Profile Joined February 2012
521 Posts
July 22 2012 17:16 GMT
#789
On July 23 2012 02:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 02:11 vesicular wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:05 Shiori wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:04 Ziggitz wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
How are there so few posts in this thread? O_o

Insane game. So well played by Oz.


It's because of posts like this that I stopped coming to live report threads. Oz did not play amazingly well. Stephano misread his build and Oz executed a build that any low masters player can execute. Because Stephano cut essentially 10 drones or so to produce those lings that couldn't attack, the game was over at that point. Everything else was superfluous.

Too bad most low Masters players play less predictably than Stephano does. Maybe he should actually practice rather than relying on 1 build to win him everything.


Agreed with this. While Stephano does well tactically on the map, it always seems like he just does the same build over and over. Finally a toss caught on and made him pay for it.


Heh, and I got all this shit for saying that yesterday. Give people time to prepare builds and they'll run him over.



Yup, just like liquid hero had 2 weeks to prepare for his first round match vs stephano at NASL, Yep just like MC has faced stephano many times. YUP YUP. So much b.s in this thread.. Look at the other zergs ( violet), even he got stomped by OZ. This has nothign to do with OZ hard countering stephano. This is more in line with OZ once again evolving a matchup. He was doing the same wonky strats vs violet.
Favorite players,Stephano/MVP/Nestea/Gumiho/Life/Jaedong/MMA
Nausea
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden807 Posts
July 22 2012 17:16 GMT
#790
I don´t get it, so protoss can now win vs zerg? I thought it was impossible from what i´ve been hearing the last couple of months. Anyway, great play by Oz.
Set it ablaze!
Sorkoas
Profile Joined May 2010
549 Posts
July 22 2012 17:17 GMT
#791
On July 23 2012 02:14 eksert wrote:
stream down right??? they are at break???

Stream keeps going black for me during commercial breaks. I have a feeling people outside of US are not getting the same ads and length of them.
JimPanzer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany339 Posts
July 22 2012 17:17 GMT
#792
when will the next game start?
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
July 22 2012 17:17 GMT
#793
On July 23 2012 02:10 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 02:08 Dfgj wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:07 HolydaKing wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:04 Hassybaby wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:03 Coffin wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:02 MuseMike wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:01 DwD wrote:
And this is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER make carriers

?


He is right actually, they were falling so fast, that investment could have proved fatal in a closer game I think.


Start of fight: 27 Corrupters with infested Terran support vs 13 Carriers
End of fight: 4 Corrupters vs 7 Carriers

.....

Yeah, 3-3-3 upgrades carriers ARE cost efficiently. The upgrades are a must though.

Er

I tried maxed 3-3-3 carriers vs 3-3 corruptors in unit tester, all carriers die, 30% of corruptors die.

But an army maxed out on carriers is something you can actually use, and army solely consisting of corrupters is useless. Not sure what your point is.

its not like you won't lose supply when you atk with carriers vs corruptors, and corruptors can be morphed to BLs.
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
July 22 2012 17:17 GMT
#794
On July 23 2012 02:14 vesicular wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 02:12 Dfgj wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:11 Chytilova wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:10 ACrow wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:08 Dfgj wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:07 HolydaKing wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:04 Hassybaby wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:03 Coffin wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:02 MuseMike wrote:
On July 23 2012 02:01 DwD wrote:
And this is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER make carriers

?


He is right actually, they were falling so fast, that investment could have proved fatal in a closer game I think.


Start of fight: 27 Corrupters with infested Terran support vs 13 Carriers
End of fight: 4 Corrupters vs 7 Carriers

.....

Yeah, 3-3-3 upgrades carriers ARE cost efficiently. The upgrades are a must though.

Er

I tried maxed 3-3-3 carriers vs 3-3 corruptors in unit tester, all carriers die, 30% of corruptors die.

But an army maxed out on carriers is something you can actually use, and army solely consisting of corrupters is useless. Not sure what your point is.


This. When has anyone maxed on corrupters?

The question was 'cost effectiveness', so you compare costs.


Oz won with Carriers. Seems cost effective to me.

I don't really know how to answer this.

'Cost' implies taking into account costs, you see. 14 carriers and a mothership or whatever is a lot more than 21 corruptors (idk exactly how many dts/infestors were on the field).

Oz fielded a much bigger air army that Stephano wasn't ready for because he had the money to do so.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4737 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 17:17:52
July 22 2012 17:17 GMT
#795
This threads reads now as if Stephano did disappoint. He made top6 and took out 3 koreans on the way. Even if he was the best player in the world (which he probably isn't), he wouldn't win tournaments every week. Top6 in such a stacked lineup after winning last week is superb. And some people still talk stuff like "One build, doesn't train, that's what you get for that"-nonsense. Get a grip. Oz played fantastically all 5 games against Stephano and won convincingly. It happens.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
July 22 2012 17:17 GMT
#796
On July 23 2012 01:57 HowardRoark wrote:
Damn, PvZ really shows how badly Protoss is designed from a spectator point of view. The ball is boring to watch.

Agree 100%. There is almost imposible to get back and forth games nearly as close to the other races match ups.
Chicken gank op
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
July 22 2012 17:17 GMT
#797
On July 23 2012 02:16 Nausea wrote:
I don´t get it, so protoss can now win vs zerg? I thought it was impossible from what i´ve been hearing the last couple of months. Anyway, great play by Oz.

I'd say those games had a lot to do with Stephano being one-dimensional and vulnerable to metagame plays than the state of standard PvZ.
Dandy_Moustachu
Profile Joined July 2010
France422 Posts
July 22 2012 17:17 GMT
#798
On July 23 2012 02:15 Figgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 02:04 Za7oX wrote:
so much for this

Poll: Who will win?

Taeja (119)
 
35%

Stephano (115)
 
34%

Oz (42)
 
12%

Alicia (41)
 
12%

LosirA (15)
 
4%

First (9)
 
3%

341 total votes

Your vote: Who will win?

(Vote): Oz
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): LosirA
(Vote): First
(Vote): Alicia
(Vote): Taeja



Just shows how many fanboys stephano has really. If Stephano wasn't in the loser bracket I would have voted for him, but he was in the losers having to beat Oz with an Extended series, but also needing to beat Alicia coming from the losers. Chances of that happening was very slim.

Taeja got my vote.


If Stephano have'nt said that he doesn't care about arena as long as he get a good seed for MLG I would have voted for him :D
Pif Paf Pouf
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
July 22 2012 17:17 GMT
#799
On July 23 2012 02:16 Redox wrote:
Depressing that we will see another extended series.

I hope its the last.


Would have been the exact same result if it was a traditional double elim, Oz would have won the Bo3 and that would have been that.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
July 22 2012 17:18 GMT
#800
On July 23 2012 02:16 Nausea wrote:
I don´t get it, so protoss can now win vs zerg? I thought it was impossible from what i´ve been hearing the last couple of months. Anyway, great play by Oz.


you shouldn't believe everything you hear
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