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On July 23 2012 02:19 Silentenigma wrote: Why do we still have extended series rule.I remember they removed it sometime.
Silly rule, but would not have mattered anyways in Stephano Oz series.
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I hope Losira will lose so we avoid a 2 P 1 T 1 Z top4. All those imbalanced haters will come to say "hey stop complaining, you see the game is balanced, enjoy the game, stop whining". Really can't bear them.
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I knew Oz wouldn't disappoint against Stephano
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On July 23 2012 02:17 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:16 Nausea wrote: I don´t get it, so protoss can now win vs zerg? I thought it was impossible from what i´ve been hearing the last couple of months. Anyway, great play by Oz. I'd say those games had a lot to do with Stephano being one-dimensional and vulnerable to metagame plays than the state of standard PvZ. oh please boy... even IF stephano is as you say one dimensional, he still has one of the best zvp world wide. that said, stop your fucking qq and l2p.
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On July 23 2012 02:20 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:19 MuseMike wrote:On July 23 2012 02:14 DwD wrote:On July 23 2012 02:11 MuseMike wrote:On July 23 2012 02:03 DwD wrote:On July 23 2012 02:02 MuseMike wrote:On July 23 2012 02:01 DwD wrote: And this is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER make carriers ? If Stephano had 5 more corruptors he would've died. They are sooo weak for the investment you make 5 more corrupters? Oz had like 12-13 carriers left. We only saw one clump on screen. What? No way.. He lost surely some 10~ when the fight was over. There is no way he had 23 of them in the start He had 7 left. So 5 corruptors still would have done nothing. I don't think he's suggesting 5 corruptors arrive at the end of the fight. 5 being there at the start are going to be pretty effective since they kill more carriers quicker and etc Still not enough, but coulda helped. Yes, but 5 corruptors would not have finished the remaining 7. You need so many more corrupters than carriers in the situation. Stephano is also lucky the infested terrans did so much damage. HTs would have made it even more lopsided.
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On July 23 2012 02:20 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:19 Silentenigma wrote: Why do we still have extended series rule.I remember they removed it sometime. They never removed it, in the last arenas they had a different format that didn't use extended series. Alas, they changed the format to this weird dual, loser's bracket thingie. A.K.A. standard double elim? (with a touch of extended series that is)
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nice so happy for oz
and it looks like losira is doing great aswell
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On July 23 2012 02:20 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:19 masterchip27 wrote:On July 23 2012 02:05 Shiori wrote:On July 23 2012 02:04 Ziggitz wrote:On July 23 2012 02:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote: How are there so few posts in this thread? O_o
Insane game. So well played by Oz. It's because of posts like this that I stopped coming to live report threads. Oz did not play amazingly well. Stephano misread his build and Oz executed a build that any low masters player can execute. Because Stephano cut essentially 10 drones or so to produce those lings that couldn't attack, the game was over at that point. Everything else was superfluous. Too bad most low Masters players play less predictably than Stephano does. Maybe he should actually practice rather than relying on 1 build to win him everything. Right, because Stephano was using the roach all in in every ZvP for the past week. ...........derp did you even watch the games? I've watched every single Stephano game from NASL and MLG Arena. He's doing Roach/Ling every single game, as far as I can recall. Not a single Muta or Ultralisk or anything in sight.
He went mutas at HSC or NASL against a Korean protoss on Cloud Kingdom. And Ultras are finnicky. And you can't blame him for not using more unit comps if he keeps winning with his current one. And I've only seen 1 zerg use Ultras well, and he got smacked down by Seed.
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On July 23 2012 02:21 fuzzz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:17 Shiori wrote:On July 23 2012 02:16 Nausea wrote: I don´t get it, so protoss can now win vs zerg? I thought it was impossible from what i´ve been hearing the last couple of months. Anyway, great play by Oz. I'd say those games had a lot to do with Stephano being one-dimensional and vulnerable to metagame plays than the state of standard PvZ. oh please boy... even IF stephano is as you say one dimensional, he still has one of the best zvp world wide. that said, stop your fucking qq and l2p. Didn't say his ZvP was bad. I said that it's vulnerable to clever plays like Oz did because Stephano is extremely predictable.
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On July 23 2012 02:21 iwearcapes wrote: i don't know if i like Apollo, when he cast he just seems cocky? just something about him i dont know what! lol
I'm 100% confident that no one cares who you like or don't like.
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On July 23 2012 02:20 Belha wrote: Stephano need to update his ZvP style. He run over the P opposition the last 6 months. Now the style have been dissected. I hope he can revamp his build and start kicking korean P butts again.
i dont know. he beat MC, HerO twice, and made alicia look silly, and lost 2 series against Oz during the last 7 days. doesn't look all that broken to me his vP. maybe he should check his vOz
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On July 23 2012 02:19 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:17 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:On July 23 2012 02:15 Figgy wrote:On July 23 2012 02:04 Za7oX wrote:so much for this Poll: Who will win?Taeja (119) 35% Stephano (115) 34% Oz (42) 12% Alicia (41) 12% LosirA (15) 4% First (9) 3% 341 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): Oz (Vote): Stephano (Vote): LosirA (Vote): First (Vote): Alicia (Vote): Taeja
Just shows how many fanboys stephano has really. If Stephano wasn't in the loser bracket I would have voted for him, but he was in the losers having to beat Oz with an Extended series, but also needing to beat Alicia coming from the losers. Chances of that happening was very slim. Taeja got my vote. If Stephano have'nt said that he doesn't care about arena as long as he get a good seed for MLG I would have voted for him :D Didn't he say " don't expect anything from me at NASL " too? And he won that, so I wouldn't say just because he says he " only cares about getting the pool play seed " he won't try his best to win 10k.
Don't for get the "I didn't practice for 2 weeks". Seems like many people are gullible.
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On July 23 2012 02:20 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:19 masterchip27 wrote:On July 23 2012 02:05 Shiori wrote:On July 23 2012 02:04 Ziggitz wrote:On July 23 2012 02:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote: How are there so few posts in this thread? O_o
Insane game. So well played by Oz. It's because of posts like this that I stopped coming to live report threads. Oz did not play amazingly well. Stephano misread his build and Oz executed a build that any low masters player can execute. Because Stephano cut essentially 10 drones or so to produce those lings that couldn't attack, the game was over at that point. Everything else was superfluous. Too bad most low Masters players play less predictably than Stephano does. Maybe he should actually practice rather than relying on 1 build to win him everything. Right, because Stephano was using the roach all in in every ZvP for the past week. ...........derp did you even watch the games? I've watched every single Stephano game from NASL and MLG Arena. He's doing Roach/Ling every single game, as far as I can recall. Not a single Muta or Ultralisk or anything in sight.
He went Muta against MC and Alica.
It's like saying: every Protoss is going gateway units. No kidding. What else is there? Zerg always builds lings and as Protoss always goes gateway units, a certain amount of roaches is always clever to go for.
And very few people go for Ultras. Not saying they are bad. But they happen to have the same counters as roaches to a certain extend...
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On July 23 2012 02:20 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:15 Azarkon wrote:On July 23 2012 02:14 Chytilova wrote:On July 23 2012 02:12 Azarkon wrote:On July 23 2012 02:11 Chytilova wrote:On July 23 2012 02:10 ACrow wrote:On July 23 2012 02:08 Dfgj wrote:On July 23 2012 02:07 HolydaKing wrote:On July 23 2012 02:04 Hassybaby wrote:On July 23 2012 02:03 Coffin wrote: [quote]
He is right actually, they were falling so fast, that investment could have proved fatal in a closer game I think. Start of fight: 27 Corrupters with infested Terran support vs 13 Carriers End of fight: 4 Corrupters vs 7 Carriers ..... Yeah, 3-3-3 upgrades carriers ARE cost efficiently. The upgrades are a must though. Er I tried maxed 3-3-3 carriers vs 3-3 corruptors in unit tester, all carriers die, 30% of corruptors die. But an army maxed out on carriers is something you can actually use, and army solely consisting of corrupters is useless. Not sure what your point is. This. When has anyone maxed on corrupters? You understand that corrupters transform into brood lords, yes? ??? Corrupters are not broodlords though. I don't get it. Here's what you do when the Protoss MAXES OUT on carriers and you just lost your army. Max out on corrupters. Kill the carrier army, losing about 30-40% of your corrupters. Transform half of them into brood lords, and kill the Protoss before he is able to remax on carriers. The above requires you to be ahead of the Protoss in economy, which Zerg has to be. ~70workers vs ~70workers. It's not possible to be ahead in economy in the lategame. You can mine a bit more gas. Basically 2geysers. Also you know, the point of carriers is, that you go carrier AFTER you forced mass Broodlords with a massive Deathball army. So once he is on Broodlords and a Protoss trades ground army for ground army (or does a counter like Oz did), Zerg would have to kill his own Broodlords to make room for more corruptors, at which point the Protoss could easily warp in 20stalkers at once. --> Carriers in the lategame are a clever move, the transition is questionable, due to the amount of time it takes, but the Carrier itself is great.
Well, you have to take transitions into consideration when balancing units. No point in making units that are impossible to transition to unless you are way ahead.
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Stephano met his ZvP match. Yesterdays games 1 and 2 were verry eaven but in game 3 and todays 2 games Oz totaly outplayed and demolished stephano
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On July 23 2012 02:20 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:19 masterchip27 wrote:On July 23 2012 02:05 Shiori wrote:On July 23 2012 02:04 Ziggitz wrote:On July 23 2012 02:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote: How are there so few posts in this thread? O_o
Insane game. So well played by Oz. It's because of posts like this that I stopped coming to live report threads. Oz did not play amazingly well. Stephano misread his build and Oz executed a build that any low masters player can execute. Because Stephano cut essentially 10 drones or so to produce those lings that couldn't attack, the game was over at that point. Everything else was superfluous. Too bad most low Masters players play less predictably than Stephano does. Maybe he should actually practice rather than relying on 1 build to win him everything. Right, because Stephano was using the roach all in in every ZvP for the past week. ...........derp did you even watch the games? I've watched every single Stephano game from NASL and MLG Arena. He's doing Roach/Ling every single game, as far as I can recall. Not a single Muta or Ultralisk or anything in sight. Except for the games vs Alicia and MC where he went Muta, and the fact that roach ling isn't always the same. He hasn't gone for a single roach smash at 12 minutes build, he's gone roach ling into fast infestor, early ling heavy aggression, alot of different things.
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On July 23 2012 02:21 iwearcapes wrote: i don't know if i like Apollo, when he cast he just seems cocky? just something about him i dont know what! lol Yea, kinda the attitude french people send out.
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On July 23 2012 02:17 Sorkoas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:14 eksert wrote: stream down right??? they are at break??? Stream keeps going black for me during commercial breaks. I have a feeling people outside of US are not getting the same ads and length of them.
for me the stream just goes black and i dont even get a commercial(no ad block of course).
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On July 23 2012 02:21 Hiea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:15 Figgy wrote:On July 23 2012 02:04 Za7oX wrote:so much for this Poll: Who will win?Taeja (119) 35% Stephano (115) 34% Oz (42) 12% Alicia (41) 12% LosirA (15) 4% First (9) 3% 341 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): Oz (Vote): Stephano (Vote): LosirA (Vote): First (Vote): Alicia (Vote): Taeja
Just shows how many fanboys stephano has really. If Stephano wasn't in the loser bracket I would have voted for him, but he was in the losers having to beat Oz with an Extended series, but also needing to beat Alicia coming from the losers. Chances of that happening was very slim. Taeja got my vote. By how many fan boys you mean 104? thats not a lot, the vast majority of people don't participate in these polls.
By fan boys I mean 36% of em? Even DRG wouldn't get those numbers from the spot Stephano was in the bracket at that point. Stephano has a crazy hardcore fanbase that would vote for him even if he was down 0-3 vs MvP simply because he isn't korean.
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On July 23 2012 02:22 MuseMike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 02:20 Dfgj wrote:On July 23 2012 02:19 MuseMike wrote:On July 23 2012 02:14 DwD wrote:On July 23 2012 02:11 MuseMike wrote:On July 23 2012 02:03 DwD wrote:On July 23 2012 02:02 MuseMike wrote:On July 23 2012 02:01 DwD wrote: And this is why you NEVER NEVER NEVER make carriers ? If Stephano had 5 more corruptors he would've died. They are sooo weak for the investment you make 5 more corrupters? Oz had like 12-13 carriers left. We only saw one clump on screen. What? No way.. He lost surely some 10~ when the fight was over. There is no way he had 23 of them in the start He had 7 left. So 5 corruptors still would have done nothing. I don't think he's suggesting 5 corruptors arrive at the end of the fight. 5 being there at the start are going to be pretty effective since they kill more carriers quicker and etc Still not enough, but coulda helped. Yes, but 5 corruptors would not have finished the remaining 7. You need so many more corrupters than carriers in the situation. Stephano is also lucky the infested terrans did so much damage. HTs would have made it even more lopsided. If 5 more were there at the start there wouldn't have been 7 remaining by the time 5 corruptors were left.
Carriers still woulda won, but comparing 5 to 7 isn't right.
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