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On July 21 2012 16:39 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 16:33 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 21 2012 16:31 stratmatt wrote:On July 21 2012 16:29 Lennient wrote:
haha Terrans cry about being unable to get ravens, but now Polt has 4 bases so no excuse um ok....dont forget you need 2 upgrades for your ravens and like 3 tech labeed starports if you want to make enough considering they took forever. what a boring game. storm templar, pathogen infestors, and hsm ravens all take a long time polt made 10 thors, which is like a protoss making 10 immortals before going storm/archon and losing to brood lords. Are you seriously comparing HSM research to pathogen glands and psi storm? You do realize if you have 5-10 gates (which is very common in PvAnything), you can just pop down your templar archives, research storm, make 5-10 templar, wait for Storm to finish and then you'll immediately get 5-10 storms. Same with Pathogen Gland Infestor. Just throw down Infestation Pit, research pathogen glands, and make 5-15 Infestors at once with Fungals. With Ravens, you have to throw down maybe 2 or 3 Starports, attach tech labs to them (or transfer them to tech labs). Research both HSM AND Corvid Reactor and then you'll probably only be able to make 3-4 Ravens at once. Let's not even go to the effectiveness of HSM vs Storm and Fungal.
True. And even if you get a good number of ravens, you are one fungal away from losing 2000 gas in a few seconds to mass corruptor.
My point of course is: Bring back irridiate :D
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On July 21 2012 16:39 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 16:33 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 21 2012 16:31 stratmatt wrote:On July 21 2012 16:29 Lennient wrote:
haha Terrans cry about being unable to get ravens, but now Polt has 4 bases so no excuse um ok....dont forget you need 2 upgrades for your ravens and like 3 tech labeed starports if you want to make enough considering they took forever. what a boring game. storm templar, pathogen infestors, and hsm ravens all take a long time polt made 10 thors, which is like a protoss making 10 immortals before going storm/archon and losing to brood lords. Are you seriously comparing HSM research to pathogen glands and psi storm? You do realize if you have 5-10 gates (which is very common in PvAnything), you can just pop down your templar archives, research storm, make 5-10 templar, wait for Storm to finish and then you'll immediately get 5-10 storms. Same with Pathogen Gland Infestor. Just throw down Infestation Pit, research pathogen glands, and make 5-15 Infestors at once with Fungals. With Ravens, you have to throw down maybe 2 or 3 Starports, attach tech labs to them (or transfer them to tech labs). Research both HSM AND Corvid Reactor and then you'll probably only be able to make 3-4 Ravens at once. Let's not even go to the effectiveness of HSM vs Storm and Fungal.
TBH the only thing making HSM weak is becuz of the limited amount of ravens u can build at a time, HSM is by far stronger than both storm and fungal, and a mass raven/ghost army easily crushes a standard zerg lategame compo, it is also quite decent against ultra compos, but getting a mass amount of ravens is near impossible
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On July 21 2012 16:40 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 16:39 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 21 2012 16:38 FakeDeath wrote:On July 21 2012 16:36 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2012 16:34 InDesconrowl wrote:
Inori has better PvP than puzzle. JYP has better PvP than Inori PvP is so dicey. Kinda dumb to compared when anyone can beat anyone in PvP. Saying JYP has better PvP than Inori is ignorant. Axslav and Oz disagree. PvP is much more skill based than you think. you know Oz went like 3 - 14 after making that statement though that doesn't necessarily disprove him 
Maybe Parting saying PvP is 80% luck 20% skill was an attempt at pulling a reverse Oz =p
now he'll go on a sick streak in it xD
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Lol at people saying the broods where op that game. Ya they are op when you have only 9 vikings vs 20+ of them with 20+ corrupter support. That is like saying 40+ banelings are op when you only have 2 tanks and they roll over your bio army. Why he went thors vs brood/corrupter over mass vikings or raven is a question, he saw it and had plenty of time to prepare.
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On July 21 2012 16:38 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 16:36 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2012 16:34 InDesconrowl wrote:
Inori has better PvP than puzzle. JYP has better PvP than Inori PvP is so dicey. Kinda dumb to compared when anyone can beat anyone in PvP. Saying JYP has better PvP than Inori is ignorant.
even if its dicey, a player can be better than another in the match up. And JYP is better at PvP than Inori.
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On July 21 2012 16:41 Chriscras wrote:
Okay Coca let's wrap this up so you can give your MVP interview :D
Omfg yes. I will translate the crap out of that
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If TSL loses this, in the six GSTL's, they will have lost in the semifinals of four of them.
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On July 21 2012 16:42 Lann555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 16:39 pdd wrote:On July 21 2012 16:33 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 21 2012 16:31 stratmatt wrote:On July 21 2012 16:29 Lennient wrote:
haha Terrans cry about being unable to get ravens, but now Polt has 4 bases so no excuse um ok....dont forget you need 2 upgrades for your ravens and like 3 tech labeed starports if you want to make enough considering they took forever. what a boring game. storm templar, pathogen infestors, and hsm ravens all take a long time polt made 10 thors, which is like a protoss making 10 immortals before going storm/archon and losing to brood lords. Are you seriously comparing HSM research to pathogen glands and psi storm? You do realize if you have 5-10 gates (which is very common in PvAnything), you can just pop down your templar archives, research storm, make 5-10 templar, wait for Storm to finish and then you'll immediately get 5-10 storms. Same with Pathogen Gland Infestor. Just throw down Infestation Pit, research pathogen glands, and make 5-15 Infestors at once with Fungals. With Ravens, you have to throw down maybe 2 or 3 Starports, attach tech labs to them (or transfer them to tech labs). Research both HSM AND Corvid Reactor and then you'll probably only be able to make 3-4 Ravens at once. Let's not even go to the effectiveness of HSM vs Storm and Fungal. True. And even if you get a good number of ravens, you are one fungal away from losing 2000 gas in a few seconds to mass corruptor. My point of course is: Bring back irridiate :D
nah. Ravens just need a casting range of 9 and a better move speed.
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On July 21 2012 16:40 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 16:39 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 21 2012 16:38 FakeDeath wrote:On July 21 2012 16:36 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2012 16:34 InDesconrowl wrote:
Inori has better PvP than puzzle. JYP has better PvP than Inori PvP is so dicey. Kinda dumb to compared when anyone can beat anyone in PvP. Saying JYP has better PvP than Inori is ignorant. Axslav and Oz disagree. PvP is much more skill based than you think. you know Oz went like 3 - 14 after making that statement though that doesn't necessarily disprove him
Oz started fast expanding in PvP for two weeks straight -- losing every match accordingly.
Strangest and fastest fall I have ever seen from a PvP champ :\
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On July 21 2012 16:38 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 16:36 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2012 16:34 InDesconrowl wrote:
Inori has better PvP than puzzle. JYP has better PvP than Inori PvP is so dicey. Kinda dumb to compared when anyone can beat anyone in PvP. Saying JYP has better PvP than Inori is ignorant.
players like MC, squirtle etc have really good PvP, it definitly is more skill based than you think.
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Inori won't win against Coca. I just don't see it happening.
I do think that Hyun will make things very interesting though! I could see him killing Coca and then JYP, I don't think it's a big stretch to say that can very well happen
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 21 2012 16:42 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 16:38 FakeDeath wrote:On July 21 2012 16:36 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2012 16:34 InDesconrowl wrote:
Inori has better PvP than puzzle. JYP has better PvP than Inori PvP is so dicey. Kinda dumb to compared when anyone can beat anyone in PvP. Saying JYP has better PvP than Inori is ignorant. even if its dicey, a player can be better than another in the match up. And JYP is better at PvP than Inori.
Why did Inori ever have this reputation for PvP anyway
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So if Inori > Coca Slayers will probably send out JYP, then if JYP > Inori, TSL has to send out Hyun to take on JYP and I'm assuming Puzzle. Quite a task but it's definatly possible.
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On July 21 2012 16:44 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 16:42 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2012 16:38 FakeDeath wrote:On July 21 2012 16:36 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2012 16:34 InDesconrowl wrote:
Inori has better PvP than puzzle. JYP has better PvP than Inori PvP is so dicey. Kinda dumb to compared when anyone can beat anyone in PvP. Saying JYP has better PvP than Inori is ignorant. even if its dicey, a player can be better than another in the match up. And JYP is better at PvP than Inori. Why did Inori ever have this reputation for PvP anyway
He beat MC at IPL3 so he became best PvP player in history kind of like Alicia during the Super Tournament
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On July 21 2012 16:43 Fishgle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 16:42 Lann555 wrote:On July 21 2012 16:39 pdd wrote:On July 21 2012 16:33 SafeAsCheese wrote:On July 21 2012 16:31 stratmatt wrote:On July 21 2012 16:29 Lennient wrote:
haha Terrans cry about being unable to get ravens, but now Polt has 4 bases so no excuse um ok....dont forget you need 2 upgrades for your ravens and like 3 tech labeed starports if you want to make enough considering they took forever. what a boring game. storm templar, pathogen infestors, and hsm ravens all take a long time polt made 10 thors, which is like a protoss making 10 immortals before going storm/archon and losing to brood lords. Are you seriously comparing HSM research to pathogen glands and psi storm? You do realize if you have 5-10 gates (which is very common in PvAnything), you can just pop down your templar archives, research storm, make 5-10 templar, wait for Storm to finish and then you'll immediately get 5-10 storms. Same with Pathogen Gland Infestor. Just throw down Infestation Pit, research pathogen glands, and make 5-15 Infestors at once with Fungals. With Ravens, you have to throw down maybe 2 or 3 Starports, attach tech labs to them (or transfer them to tech labs). Research both HSM AND Corvid Reactor and then you'll probably only be able to make 3-4 Ravens at once. Let's not even go to the effectiveness of HSM vs Storm and Fungal. True. And even if you get a good number of ravens, you are one fungal away from losing 2000 gas in a few seconds to mass corruptor. My point of course is: Bring back irridiate :D nah. Ravens just need a casting range of 9 and a better move speed.
I did the campain agggain recently and, OMG, HSM was so OP back then, I think you will see all the terran stop complaining if it's back :D (well it would be the turn to the other races to complain)
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On July 21 2012 16:44 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 16:42 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2012 16:38 FakeDeath wrote:On July 21 2012 16:36 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2012 16:34 InDesconrowl wrote:
Inori has better PvP than puzzle. JYP has better PvP than Inori PvP is so dicey. Kinda dumb to compared when anyone can beat anyone in PvP. Saying JYP has better PvP than Inori is ignorant. even if its dicey, a player can be better than another in the match up. And JYP is better at PvP than Inori. Why did Inori ever have this reputation for PvP anyway
Inori played some of the coolest PvP's to date (as in at that point in time) at IPL 3 knocking out MC and Huk back to back.
Really blew minds and got him a bunch of hype.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 21 2012 16:45 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 16:44 lichter wrote:On July 21 2012 16:42 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2012 16:38 FakeDeath wrote:On July 21 2012 16:36 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2012 16:34 InDesconrowl wrote:
Inori has better PvP than puzzle. JYP has better PvP than Inori PvP is so dicey. Kinda dumb to compared when anyone can beat anyone in PvP. Saying JYP has better PvP than Inori is ignorant. even if its dicey, a player can be better than another in the match up. And JYP is better at PvP than Inori. Why did Inori ever have this reputation for PvP anyway He beat MC at IPL3 so he became best PvP player in history kind of like Alicia during the Super Tournament
Makes perfect TL.net forum sense
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Dunno, Inori vs Protoss is like one of the best things TSL could have hoped for imo :O
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On July 21 2012 16:41 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 16:39 InDesconrowl wrote:On July 21 2012 16:38 FakeDeath wrote:On July 21 2012 16:36 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 21 2012 16:34 InDesconrowl wrote:
Inori has better PvP than puzzle. JYP has better PvP than Inori PvP is so dicey. Kinda dumb to compared when anyone can beat anyone in PvP. Saying JYP has better PvP than Inori is ignorant. Axslav and Oz disagree. PvP is much more skill based than you think. PLEASE LOOK AT OZ WINRATE AFTER HE SAID PVP IS ALL ABOUT SKILL. What about Axslav?
Maybe Oz is right that it's skill-based and he's just really bad at PvP.
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