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Warnings and bans will be handed out for Balance whining in the thread, just like every other Live Report thread.
BBMorti
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark242 Posts
July 20 2012 22:30 GMT
#1201
On July 21 2012 07:24 aRyuujin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 07:23 BBMorti wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:19 JJH777 wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:18 Heavenlee wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:15 hifriend wrote:
he just beat the best PvZ:er in the world and some people are calling him bad lolz


Best PvZer, wat?


Yeah Hero has not looked good in PvZ lately tbh.

Last two matches I know of was a win over DRG and very shortly after a loss to Stephano. What else has happened 'lately' that made him look bad in PvZ? Well except his little probe explosion today =D
Hero is a sick PvZ


he's sick good at PvZ, but he's definitely not the world's best. MC and Squirtle are definitely better atm
Maybe even Seed if you give him enough prep time

Not that it matters since people always try to downplay when a foreign player beats a Korean in some matchup.. but Squirtle better than Hero in PvZ doesn't fly for me. I doubt Squirtle could even take a game of DRG in a bo5 and looking at Hero's latest match again him.. 5-2 I don't know.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 22:31:03
July 20 2012 22:30 GMT
#1202
On July 21 2012 07:30 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 07:29 Asha` wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:27 JJH777 wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:25 Reaps wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:24 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:23 Chicane wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:22 polyphonyEX wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:21 JJH777 wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:19 Asha` wrote:
[quote]

Almost nobody looks consistently good in PvZ lately


Seed

SKMC!


MC keeps getting knocked out of tournaments by Zergs though. :O


Let's be honest.

Nobody is good vs Zerg right now.


Clueless and a balance whiner, damn thats a bad combo to have.


It's not balance whine.

And feel free to tell me a player who doing really well vs Zerg at the moment.


Just gonna keep saying it:
SEED

He has beaten Symbol, Violet, and Curious this season. Most impressively he 4-0'd Curious. Curious is one of the absolute top zergs in the world and on the day that Seed 4-0'd him he beat Hero.


He's also lost 2-0 to both Whale and True in the last month.


Where?


TSL qualies. Lost to Leenock in the HSC qualifier before that etc too.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
July 20 2012 22:30 GMT
#1203
On July 21 2012 07:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:
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On July 21 2012 07:27 Fragile51 wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:25 SayGen wrote:
Seed is an anomaly. He will fade out soon enough.


He's been around since early 2011. wtf are you talking about

Remember when Marineking and MC were just anomalies, too?


Well no, not really :p
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4415 Posts
July 20 2012 22:31 GMT
#1204
On July 21 2012 07:30 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 07:30 JJH777 wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:29 Asha` wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:27 JJH777 wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:25 Reaps wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:24 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:23 Chicane wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:22 polyphonyEX wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:21 JJH777 wrote:
[quote]

Seed

SKMC!


MC keeps getting knocked out of tournaments by Zergs though. :O


Let's be honest.

Nobody is good vs Zerg right now.


Clueless and a balance whiner, damn thats a bad combo to have.


It's not balance whine.

And feel free to tell me a player who doing really well vs Zerg at the moment.


Just gonna keep saying it:
SEED

He has beaten Symbol, Violet, and Curious this season. Most impressively he 4-0'd Curious. Curious is one of the absolute top zergs in the world and on the day that Seed 4-0'd him he beat Hero.


He's also lost 2-0 to both Whale and True in the last month.


Where?


TSL qualies. Lost to Leenock in the HSC qualifier before that etc too.


TSL qualifiers are in TLPD and don't show him losing to Whale or True.
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
July 20 2012 22:31 GMT
#1205
Those air style macro builds are quite succesful in tournament play recently. Interesting.
Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
July 20 2012 22:31 GMT
#1206
I want to see the units lost tab.
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
July 20 2012 22:31 GMT
#1207
On July 21 2012 07:30 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 07:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:27 Fragile51 wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:25 SayGen wrote:
Seed is an anomaly. He will fade out soon enough.


He's been around since early 2011. wtf are you talking about

Remember when Marineking and MC were just anomalies, too?


Well no, not really :p


Everyone kept saying Foxer is a one trick mass marine pony.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 22:33:21
July 20 2012 22:32 GMT
#1208
On July 21 2012 07:27 Reaps wrote:
Seed is not doing bad.

Also didnt mc just get to the GSL finals by beating DRG, oh yeah he did.

In before "Because DRG played bad"


He beat DRG but lost to Stephano and Nerchio.

Seed beat a few low Code S and Code A Zergs but he hasn't played DRG, Nestea or Stephano and he only beat Symbol 3-2.

Seed is just the new TOP, Inca, Losira, Rain etc... Nothing in his play suggests to me he has long term staying power. He's just had a good run in one tournament.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
July 20 2012 22:32 GMT
#1209
On July 21 2012 07:29 DOUDOU wrote:
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On July 21 2012 07:27 Tobblish wrote:
OP should be updated with the link to own3d and Twitch stream link!

http://www.own3d.tv/MLG
http://sv.twitch.tv/mlg_sca

Love MLG for using both own3d and twitch <3
(and not just their own player)

i prefer:
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/MLG LIVE


And I prefer:


You point being?...
The curse is real
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
July 20 2012 22:32 GMT
#1210
cmon cyto, you can do better than this
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
July 20 2012 22:32 GMT
#1211
On July 21 2012 07:31 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 07:30 Asha` wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:30 JJH777 wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:29 Asha` wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:27 JJH777 wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:25 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:25 Reaps wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:24 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:23 Chicane wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:22 polyphonyEX wrote:
[quote]
SKMC!


MC keeps getting knocked out of tournaments by Zergs though. :O


Let's be honest.

Nobody is good vs Zerg right now.


Clueless and a balance whiner, damn thats a bad combo to have.


It's not balance whine.

And feel free to tell me a player who doing really well vs Zerg at the moment.


Just gonna keep saying it:
SEED

He has beaten Symbol, Violet, and Curious this season. Most impressively he 4-0'd Curious. Curious is one of the absolute top zergs in the world and on the day that Seed 4-0'd him he beat Hero.


He's also lost 2-0 to both Whale and True in the last month.


Where?


TSL qualies. Lost to Leenock in the HSC qualifier before that etc too.


TSL qualifiers are in TLPD and don't show him losing to Whale or True.


http://www.teamliquid.net/tournaments/admin/?action=bracket&id=3220
http://www.teamliquid.net/tournaments/admin/?action=bracket&id=3221
Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
July 20 2012 22:33 GMT
#1212
why u no kill phoenixes?
ヾ(@⌒_⌒@)ノ
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
July 20 2012 22:33 GMT
#1213
On July 21 2012 07:26 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 07:23 TheHova wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:18 Fragile51 wrote:
On July 21 2012 07:15 legaton wrote:
Cytoplasm is plainly bad, he got one lucky shot on the banelings, and destroyed the entire economy of Hero. Too bad SC2 is so unforgiving, in BW, it was easier to overwhelm an inferior player with micro alone. Well, guess Hero shouldn't stack his probes on gases anymore.


Oh get outta here, Hero moved out for no reason, had no vision of the path to his third and then for whatever reason forcefielded himself out of his own 3rd and moved all his probes on one geyser when there were banelings incoming. That was just plain bad. The fact that he held on for that long was impressive alone, but he definitely should have lost that game and any arguments how in "bw he probably would have won" are just pathetic, lol.


For no reason? He moved out to take a 4th and get vision of the zergs army. He couldn't get vision the entire time because he continuously had his obs sniped wherever the overseer mutas went which meant the only way he could see his army was with his own. He then placed the FFs because he had ling bling about to smash into his entire army... What else could he do at that point? He HAS to place those FFs or his entire army just dies. In hindsight he probably should have sent 1 stalker out to scout first but in the heat of the moment it's obviously a lot harder to put into practice. You insinuate like he played terribly when he played well but the Zerg just played well too and made a one great strategic move.


He's gonna take a 4th when there's a massive ling bane muta army just outside his 3rd? Yeah that seems like a very wise thing to do. Also, overseers have nothing whatsoever to do with vision in that path, he should have a zealot/pylon/probe/whatever out there in case that cyto is coming around through that area. That is something you should expect from a player of Hero's level.


He's got to position himself ready to take that 4th if he wants to take a Zerg on in the macro game. That's why the pylon was already set up at the 4th already and he continued to try and take it. Protoss only have 1 big push on 3 base so you need that 4th which can make taking more expansions easier. The pylon showed that the zerg had left the area of the 4th so he obviously assumed the attack was over, normally he would have an obs over the other pathway but it was sniped by the muta overseer.

If you're going to say a player played really badly and definitely deserves to lose because in the heat of the moment he didn't sent one unit out to a specific spot on the map then well... I don't know what to say.
SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
July 20 2012 22:33 GMT
#1214
We Live to Die
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
July 20 2012 22:33 GMT
#1215
On July 21 2012 07:22 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 07:14 revel8 wrote:
Hero got crushed in that game! That baneling attack was so devastating, killing a nexus plus almost 50 probes! Well played by Cyto.

Crushed? Did we watch the same game? He had one nice little manoeuvre while HerO wasn't paying attention then took like 10 minutes to kill him in a situation where he should have been able to insta kill him.

Cyto played decently. But to say he crushed HerO in that game is just not right.


I'll say it again. Hero got crushed. Cyto had one successful attack that did so much damage Hero was massively behind. Hero counter-attack did nothing and it was game over. Cyto just kept on attacking in a war of attrition on Hero's 4th and despite Hero's valiant defence he gradually kept losing ground and Cyto's caution allowed Hero to cling on for an extra 5 minutes despite us all knowing the game was lost.

Cyto's successful baneling attack was the crucial moment in the entire game. After that Hero looked like he was stalling before gg. Hero's bad scouting and then reaction to the unscouted attack caused the catastrophic probe loss. Hero made some positional and scouting mistakes and paid a massive price for it. Cyto deserved that win, it was surprisingly comfortable after that probe massacre.
trashman
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States113 Posts
July 20 2012 22:33 GMT
#1216
Aaaah the Hero zealot harass starts. So much fun.
Kick at the rock, Sam Johnson, break your bones: / But cloudy, cloudy is the stuff of stones.
ContrailNZ
Profile Joined January 2007
New Zealand306 Posts
July 20 2012 22:33 GMT
#1217
Cytoplasm doesnt seem to have an answer for this style.

He needed to go quicker infestor or get spire.
Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
July 20 2012 22:33 GMT
#1218
Who is the observer? No way that is Adebisi. When stuff gets attacked we actually want to see the hp bars, damnit -_-
Kpaxlol
Profile Joined April 2010
813 Posts
July 20 2012 22:34 GMT
#1219
Hero is stronk
<3 bw
Happystreet
Profile Joined January 2011
550 Posts
July 20 2012 22:34 GMT
#1220
HerO making Protoss fun to watch!
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