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On July 21 2012 20:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 20:00 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:51 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 21 2012 19:47 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:30 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 19:29 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:15 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 19:12 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 21 2012 19:04 Dodgin wrote:
I used to be a Stephano anti-fan but I gave up, he's too good that's it's too painful to cheer against him. I accepted his skill after he won NASL.
It's nice to see at least one foreigner who can complete and beat the Korean players, sc2 would indeed be dire for foreign players without him.
We have Naniwa too in the GSL of course but he doesn't go to many foreign tournaments these days while Stephano goes to almost all of them. Haha, Dodgin:D Well im glad you seen the light:D Yeah, beating Hero and MC in succession as a Zerg is one of the most difficult things you can ever accomplish. That pushed it over the edge for me, I used to think he was over-rated but not anymore. Up there with Dongraegu for sure as best Zerg. DRG is still considerably better. Up there with, not equal to or better than  I think Stephano is 2nd best Zerg after seeing Symbol's recent fall. I think it's very hard to judge the difference between Symbol/Nestea/Leenock and Stephano (you could even throw guys like Curious, Coca, Hyun etc.. into the mix). If those three Koreans spent all their time playing foreign tournament which in most cases have a slightly weaker or far weaker lineup than Code S they would have really, really damn good results too. Likewise if Stephano spent all his time playing GSL and GSTL he wouldn't find himself winning 80% of the games he plays either. Stephano spends a lot of time beating on foreigners, lower Code S and Code A/B Koreans and the odd elite Korean. When he plays guys like Nestea, Symbol, Mvp, MMA, MC, MKP his record is fine but it's not like he's doing better than breaking even at best. DRG's record this season speaks for itself that he is a cut above. Aeroplaneoverthesea thats simply not true. Check his games and stats from the last 3 months and you will see a huge list of Code S players beaten. And not only beaten he beat them with a +70 win ratio. Check the stats from youself plz vs MC 4-2
vs Hero 3-1
vs MKP 1-2
vs Ganzi 2-0
vs Polt 2-1
vs Squirtle 3-1
vs MC 2-3
vs Parting 2-0
vs Violet 2-0
vs Violet 0-2
vs Symbol 0-2
vs MC 2-1
vs MMA 0-2
vs Nestea 1-2
vs MKP 1-2vs Polt 1-2 vs Polt 5-2 vs Polt 1-4 vs MC 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 I included players who were Code S at the time of the games being played (perhaps I missed or added a few who were/weren't Code S I guessed some of them). All games from 2012 and including only games played on LAN. 32 games won, 33 games lost. So just under a 50% win rate. Obviously that's actually really good because it's against the best players in the world. My point is that if he was like Nestea and played against this player pool exclusively he wouldn't look nearly as dominant as he does when he only plays in foreign tournament (which IPL and MLG aside) always feature far inferior player pools to Code S. He also does far, far better vs Protoss than Terran/Zerg. The bolded are games from the last three months which would give him 25 wins and 21 losses. Good win rate, nothing out of this world amazing though. HerO also forgot warpgate and still beat Stephano in the EGMC ace match. So he's by no means "unreal". Sure he's good but he's never played anything in Korea. We'll see how he's gonna do in GSTL. I'm also really interested in why he's not playing Code S even though he could. I think I've got an idea why but yeah.
Yeah, if anything you should count an online match where Stephano had nothing to win instead of a Lan with 30k on the line where Stephano completely destroyed Hero.
Good logic you got there.
And yeah, Stephano is so scared to face off those code S koreans since he knows he has no chance of beating anyone...
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No restream, seriously mlg.... TT
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On July 21 2012 19:29 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 19:15 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 19:12 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 21 2012 19:04 Dodgin wrote:
I used to be a Stephano anti-fan but I gave up, he's too good that's it's too painful to cheer against him. I accepted his skill after he won NASL.
It's nice to see at least one foreigner who can complete and beat the Korean players, sc2 would indeed be dire for foreign players without him.
We have Naniwa too in the GSL of course but he doesn't go to many foreign tournaments these days while Stephano goes to almost all of them. Haha, Dodgin:D Well im glad you seen the light:D Yeah, beating Hero and MC in succession as a Zerg is one of the most difficult things you can ever accomplish. That pushed it over the edge for me, I used to think he was over-rated but not anymore. Up there with Dongraegu for sure as best Zerg. DRG is still considerably better. This sounds more like a mantra than an 'educated opinion'
Hero and MC raped DRG in latest matches and when they met Stephano it was pretty much a SC2 lesson they were given.
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On July 21 2012 22:18 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 20:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 21 2012 20:00 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:51 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 21 2012 19:47 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:30 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 19:29 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:15 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 19:12 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 21 2012 19:04 Dodgin wrote:
I used to be a Stephano anti-fan but I gave up, he's too good that's it's too painful to cheer against him. I accepted his skill after he won NASL.
It's nice to see at least one foreigner who can complete and beat the Korean players, sc2 would indeed be dire for foreign players without him.
We have Naniwa too in the GSL of course but he doesn't go to many foreign tournaments these days while Stephano goes to almost all of them. Haha, Dodgin:D Well im glad you seen the light:D Yeah, beating Hero and MC in succession as a Zerg is one of the most difficult things you can ever accomplish. That pushed it over the edge for me, I used to think he was over-rated but not anymore. Up there with Dongraegu for sure as best Zerg. DRG is still considerably better. Up there with, not equal to or better than I think Stephano is 2nd best Zerg after seeing Symbol's recent fall. I think it's very hard to judge the difference between Symbol/Nestea/Leenock and Stephano (you could even throw guys like Curious, Coca, Hyun etc.. into the mix). If those three Koreans spent all their time playing foreign tournament which in most cases have a slightly weaker or far weaker lineup than Code S they would have really, really damn good results too. Likewise if Stephano spent all his time playing GSL and GSTL he wouldn't find himself winning 80% of the games he plays either. Stephano spends a lot of time beating on foreigners, lower Code S and Code A/B Koreans and the odd elite Korean. When he plays guys like Nestea, Symbol, Mvp, MMA, MC, MKP his record is fine but it's not like he's doing better than breaking even at best. DRG's record this season speaks for itself that he is a cut above. Aeroplaneoverthesea thats simply not true. Check his games and stats from the last 3 months and you will see a huge list of Code S players beaten. And not only beaten he beat them with a +70 win ratio. Check the stats from youself plz vs MC 4-2
vs Hero 3-1
vs MKP 1-2
vs Ganzi 2-0
vs Polt 2-1
vs Squirtle 3-1
vs MC 2-3
vs Parting 2-0
vs Violet 2-0
vs Violet 0-2
vs Symbol 0-2
vs MC 2-1
vs MMA 0-2
vs Nestea 1-2
vs MKP 1-2vs Polt 1-2 vs Polt 5-2 vs Polt 1-4 vs MC 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 I included players who were Code S at the time of the games being played (perhaps I missed or added a few who were/weren't Code S I guessed some of them). All games from 2012 and including only games played on LAN. 32 games won, 33 games lost. So just under a 50% win rate. Obviously that's actually really good because it's against the best players in the world. My point is that if he was like Nestea and played against this player pool exclusively he wouldn't look nearly as dominant as he does when he only plays in foreign tournament (which IPL and MLG aside) always feature far inferior player pools to Code S. He also does far, far better vs Protoss than Terran/Zerg. The bolded are games from the last three months which would give him 25 wins and 21 losses. Good win rate, nothing out of this world amazing though. HerO also forgot warpgate and still beat Stephano in the EGMC ace match. So he's by no means "unreal". Sure he's good but he's never played anything in Korea. We'll see how he's gonna do in GSTL. I'm also really interested in why he's not playing Code S even though he could. I think I've got an idea why but yeah. Yeah, if anything you should count an online match where Stephano had nothing to win instead of a Lan with 30k on the line where Stephano completely destroyed Hero. Good logic you got there. And yeah, Stephano is so scared to face off those code S koreans since he knows he has no chance of beating anyone...
Yeah you should count that. "Nothing to win" in an ace match, lol. Good logic you got there.
Everybody knows that HerO's nerves get to him like crazy during offline events and it showed at NASL.
Also it's not that he's scared of Code S koreans, I think it's Code S itself. It's preparation based and Stephano is predictable. Give people time to prepare builds against him and they'll run him over easily because that type of competition doesn't suit him.
I think it's his reputation as this foreign Korean slayer that he doesn't wanna lose. And that he would in Code S, imho.
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On July 21 2012 22:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 22:18 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On July 21 2012 20:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 21 2012 20:00 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:51 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 21 2012 19:47 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:30 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 19:29 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:15 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 19:12 Benjamin99 wrote:
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Haha, Dodgin:D
Well im glad you seen the light:D Yeah, beating Hero and MC in succession as a Zerg is one of the most difficult things you can ever accomplish. That pushed it over the edge for me, I used to think he was over-rated but not anymore. Up there with Dongraegu for sure as best Zerg. DRG is still considerably better. Up there with, not equal to or better than I think Stephano is 2nd best Zerg after seeing Symbol's recent fall. I think it's very hard to judge the difference between Symbol/Nestea/Leenock and Stephano (you could even throw guys like Curious, Coca, Hyun etc.. into the mix). If those three Koreans spent all their time playing foreign tournament which in most cases have a slightly weaker or far weaker lineup than Code S they would have really, really damn good results too. Likewise if Stephano spent all his time playing GSL and GSTL he wouldn't find himself winning 80% of the games he plays either. Stephano spends a lot of time beating on foreigners, lower Code S and Code A/B Koreans and the odd elite Korean. When he plays guys like Nestea, Symbol, Mvp, MMA, MC, MKP his record is fine but it's not like he's doing better than breaking even at best. DRG's record this season speaks for itself that he is a cut above. Aeroplaneoverthesea thats simply not true. Check his games and stats from the last 3 months and you will see a huge list of Code S players beaten. And not only beaten he beat them with a +70 win ratio. Check the stats from youself plz vs MC 4-2
vs Hero 3-1
vs MKP 1-2
vs Ganzi 2-0
vs Polt 2-1
vs Squirtle 3-1
vs MC 2-3
vs Parting 2-0
vs Violet 2-0
vs Violet 0-2
vs Symbol 0-2
vs MC 2-1
vs MMA 0-2
vs Nestea 1-2
vs MKP 1-2vs Polt 1-2 vs Polt 5-2 vs Polt 1-4 vs MC 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 I included players who were Code S at the time of the games being played (perhaps I missed or added a few who were/weren't Code S I guessed some of them). All games from 2012 and including only games played on LAN. 32 games won, 33 games lost. So just under a 50% win rate. Obviously that's actually really good because it's against the best players in the world. My point is that if he was like Nestea and played against this player pool exclusively he wouldn't look nearly as dominant as he does when he only plays in foreign tournament (which IPL and MLG aside) always feature far inferior player pools to Code S. He also does far, far better vs Protoss than Terran/Zerg. The bolded are games from the last three months which would give him 25 wins and 21 losses. Good win rate, nothing out of this world amazing though. HerO also forgot warpgate and still beat Stephano in the EGMC ace match. So he's by no means "unreal". Sure he's good but he's never played anything in Korea. We'll see how he's gonna do in GSTL. I'm also really interested in why he's not playing Code S even though he could. I think I've got an idea why but yeah. Yeah, if anything you should count an online match where Stephano had nothing to win instead of a Lan with 30k on the line where Stephano completely destroyed Hero. Good logic you got there. And yeah, Stephano is so scared to face off those code S koreans since he knows he has no chance of beating anyone... Yeah you should count that. "Nothing to win" in an ace match, lol. Good logic you got there. Everybody knows that HerO's nerves get to him like crazy during offline events and it showed at NASL. Also it's not that he's scared of Code S koreans, I think it's Code S itself. It's preparation based and Stephano is predictable. Give people time to prepare builds against him and they'll run him over easily because that type of competition doesn't suit him. I think it's his reputation as this foreign Korean slayer that he doesn't wanna lose. And that he would in Code S, imho.
Or maybe Stephano can win more money in more comfortable environments than the GSL.
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On July 21 2012 22:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 22:18 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On July 21 2012 20:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 21 2012 20:00 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:51 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 21 2012 19:47 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:30 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 19:29 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:15 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 19:12 Benjamin99 wrote:
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Haha, Dodgin:D
Well im glad you seen the light:D Yeah, beating Hero and MC in succession as a Zerg is one of the most difficult things you can ever accomplish. That pushed it over the edge for me, I used to think he was over-rated but not anymore. Up there with Dongraegu for sure as best Zerg. DRG is still considerably better. Up there with, not equal to or better than I think Stephano is 2nd best Zerg after seeing Symbol's recent fall. I think it's very hard to judge the difference between Symbol/Nestea/Leenock and Stephano (you could even throw guys like Curious, Coca, Hyun etc.. into the mix). If those three Koreans spent all their time playing foreign tournament which in most cases have a slightly weaker or far weaker lineup than Code S they would have really, really damn good results too. Likewise if Stephano spent all his time playing GSL and GSTL he wouldn't find himself winning 80% of the games he plays either. Stephano spends a lot of time beating on foreigners, lower Code S and Code A/B Koreans and the odd elite Korean. When he plays guys like Nestea, Symbol, Mvp, MMA, MC, MKP his record is fine but it's not like he's doing better than breaking even at best. DRG's record this season speaks for itself that he is a cut above. Aeroplaneoverthesea thats simply not true. Check his games and stats from the last 3 months and you will see a huge list of Code S players beaten. And not only beaten he beat them with a +70 win ratio. Check the stats from youself plz vs MC 4-2
vs Hero 3-1
vs MKP 1-2
vs Ganzi 2-0
vs Polt 2-1
vs Squirtle 3-1
vs MC 2-3
vs Parting 2-0
vs Violet 2-0
vs Violet 0-2
vs Symbol 0-2
vs MC 2-1
vs MMA 0-2
vs Nestea 1-2
vs MKP 1-2vs Polt 1-2 vs Polt 5-2 vs Polt 1-4 vs MC 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 I included players who were Code S at the time of the games being played (perhaps I missed or added a few who were/weren't Code S I guessed some of them). All games from 2012 and including only games played on LAN. 32 games won, 33 games lost. So just under a 50% win rate. Obviously that's actually really good because it's against the best players in the world. My point is that if he was like Nestea and played against this player pool exclusively he wouldn't look nearly as dominant as he does when he only plays in foreign tournament (which IPL and MLG aside) always feature far inferior player pools to Code S. He also does far, far better vs Protoss than Terran/Zerg. The bolded are games from the last three months which would give him 25 wins and 21 losses. Good win rate, nothing out of this world amazing though. HerO also forgot warpgate and still beat Stephano in the EGMC ace match. So he's by no means "unreal". Sure he's good but he's never played anything in Korea. We'll see how he's gonna do in GSTL. I'm also really interested in why he's not playing Code S even though he could. I think I've got an idea why but yeah. Yeah, if anything you should count an online match where Stephano had nothing to win instead of a Lan with 30k on the line where Stephano completely destroyed Hero. Good logic you got there. And yeah, Stephano is so scared to face off those code S koreans since he knows he has no chance of beating anyone... Yeah you should count that. "Nothing to win" in an ace match, lol. Good logic you got there. Everybody knows that HerO's nerves get to him like crazy during offline events and it showed at NASL. Also it's not that he's scared of Code S koreans, I think it's Code S itself. It's preparation based and Stephano is predictable. Give people time to prepare builds against him and they'll run him over easily because that type of competition doesn't suit him. I think it's his reputation as this foreign Korean slayer that he doesn't wanna lose. And that he would in Code S, imho.
I can assure you that Stephano has been the single most studied player, by the Koreans, for the last year. Besides Naniwa he is likely the only player, outside Korea, they study really. You insult their intelligence thinking they haven't considering his success.
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On July 21 2012 20:00 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 19:51 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 21 2012 19:47 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:30 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 19:29 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:15 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 19:12 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 21 2012 19:04 Dodgin wrote:
I used to be a Stephano anti-fan but I gave up, he's too good that's it's too painful to cheer against him. I accepted his skill after he won NASL.
It's nice to see at least one foreigner who can complete and beat the Korean players, sc2 would indeed be dire for foreign players without him.
We have Naniwa too in the GSL of course but he doesn't go to many foreign tournaments these days while Stephano goes to almost all of them. Haha, Dodgin:D Well im glad you seen the light:D Yeah, beating Hero and MC in succession as a Zerg is one of the most difficult things you can ever accomplish. That pushed it over the edge for me, I used to think he was over-rated but not anymore. Up there with Dongraegu for sure as best Zerg. DRG is still considerably better. Up there with, not equal to or better than I think Stephano is 2nd best Zerg after seeing Symbol's recent fall. I think it's very hard to judge the difference between Symbol/Nestea/Leenock and Stephano (you could even throw guys like Curious, Coca, Hyun etc.. into the mix). If those three Koreans spent all their time playing foreign tournament which in most cases have a slightly weaker or far weaker lineup than Code S they would have really, really damn good results too. Likewise if Stephano spent all his time playing GSL and GSTL he wouldn't find himself winning 80% of the games he plays either. Stephano spends a lot of time beating on foreigners, lower Code S and Code A/B Koreans and the odd elite Korean. When he plays guys like Nestea, Symbol, Mvp, MMA, MC, MKP his record is fine but it's not like he's doing better than breaking even at best. DRG's record this season speaks for itself that he is a cut above. Aeroplaneoverthesea thats simply not true. Check his games and stats from the last 3 months and you will see a huge list of Code S players beaten. And not only beaten he beat them with a +70 win ratio. Check the stats from youself plz vs MC 4-2
vs Hero 3-1
vs MKP 1-2
vs Ganzi 2-0
vs Polt 2-1
vs Squirtle 3-1
vs MC 2-3
vs Parting 2-0
vs Violet 2-0
vs Violet 0-2
vs Symbol 0-2
vs MC 2-1
vs MMA 0-2
vs Nestea 1-2
vs MKP 1-2vs Polt 1-2 vs Polt 5-2 vs Polt 1-4 vs MC 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 The bolded are games from the last three months which would give him 25 wins and 21 losses. Good win rate, nothing out of this world amazing though.
In the bolded, you wrote 2-1 vs MC (he won 2-0).
He won 2-1 and not 2-0 against Violet at the Red Bull Battlegrounds.
He also won 2-0 twice vs Ganzi, once at the RBB and the second time at the MLG Championship.
He also won 2-1 vs Ryung at the MLG Spring Arena 2.
He also won 2-1 vs Curious at IPL4.
So, the total isn't actually 25W-21L but 32W-24L., which is 57% winrate vs codeS player only.
The winrate vs codeS+A players in the past 3 months is 72%.
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On July 21 2012 22:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 22:18 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On July 21 2012 20:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 21 2012 20:00 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:51 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 21 2012 19:47 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:30 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 19:29 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:15 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 19:12 Benjamin99 wrote:
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Haha, Dodgin:D
Well im glad you seen the light:D Yeah, beating Hero and MC in succession as a Zerg is one of the most difficult things you can ever accomplish. That pushed it over the edge for me, I used to think he was over-rated but not anymore. Up there with Dongraegu for sure as best Zerg. DRG is still considerably better. Up there with, not equal to or better than I think Stephano is 2nd best Zerg after seeing Symbol's recent fall. I think it's very hard to judge the difference between Symbol/Nestea/Leenock and Stephano (you could even throw guys like Curious, Coca, Hyun etc.. into the mix). If those three Koreans spent all their time playing foreign tournament which in most cases have a slightly weaker or far weaker lineup than Code S they would have really, really damn good results too. Likewise if Stephano spent all his time playing GSL and GSTL he wouldn't find himself winning 80% of the games he plays either. Stephano spends a lot of time beating on foreigners, lower Code S and Code A/B Koreans and the odd elite Korean. When he plays guys like Nestea, Symbol, Mvp, MMA, MC, MKP his record is fine but it's not like he's doing better than breaking even at best. DRG's record this season speaks for itself that he is a cut above. Aeroplaneoverthesea thats simply not true. Check his games and stats from the last 3 months and you will see a huge list of Code S players beaten. And not only beaten he beat them with a +70 win ratio. Check the stats from youself plz vs MC 4-2
vs Hero 3-1
vs MKP 1-2
vs Ganzi 2-0
vs Polt 2-1
vs Squirtle 3-1
vs MC 2-3
vs Parting 2-0
vs Violet 2-0
vs Violet 0-2
vs Symbol 0-2
vs MC 2-1
vs MMA 0-2
vs Nestea 1-2
vs MKP 1-2vs Polt 1-2 vs Polt 5-2 vs Polt 1-4 vs MC 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 I included players who were Code S at the time of the games being played (perhaps I missed or added a few who were/weren't Code S I guessed some of them). All games from 2012 and including only games played on LAN. 32 games won, 33 games lost. So just under a 50% win rate. Obviously that's actually really good because it's against the best players in the world. My point is that if he was like Nestea and played against this player pool exclusively he wouldn't look nearly as dominant as he does when he only plays in foreign tournament (which IPL and MLG aside) always feature far inferior player pools to Code S. He also does far, far better vs Protoss than Terran/Zerg. The bolded are games from the last three months which would give him 25 wins and 21 losses. Good win rate, nothing out of this world amazing though. HerO also forgot warpgate and still beat Stephano in the EGMC ace match. So he's by no means "unreal". Sure he's good but he's never played anything in Korea. We'll see how he's gonna do in GSTL. I'm also really interested in why he's not playing Code S even though he could. I think I've got an idea why but yeah. Yeah, if anything you should count an online match where Stephano had nothing to win instead of a Lan with 30k on the line where Stephano completely destroyed Hero. Good logic you got there. And yeah, Stephano is so scared to face off those code S koreans since he knows he has no chance of beating anyone... Yeah you should count that. "Nothing to win" in an ace match, lol. Good logic you got there. Everybody knows that HerO's nerves get to him like crazy during offline events and it showed at NASL. Also it's not that he's scared of Code S koreans, I think it's Code S itself. It's preparation based and Stephano is predictable. Give people time to prepare builds against him and they'll run him over easily because that type of competition doesn't suit him. I think it's his reputation as this foreign Korean slayer that he doesn't wanna lose. And that he would in Code S, imho.
You don't seem to know a lot, so please let me educate you:
Fact n.1: The match against hero was a team league, it was played cross-server, Stephano said that he doesn't like those leagues because there is not much money involved so he pretty much doesn't care.
Fact n.2: Stephano has always beat Hero in Lans(Blizzard cup and NASL) in a very convincing fashion, and Lans are the only thing that counts.
Fact n.3: Stephano is the most studied foreigner in the world, even moreso than Naniwa who is in Code S, and it has been like this for over 6 months, yet i still see hi winning against those code S again and again..that's quite good for some predicatble player who will get run over by koreans in Code S.
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On July 21 2012 17:42 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 14:29 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 21 2012 14:01 mrtomjones wrote:On July 21 2012 13:57 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 21 2012 13:47 mrtomjones wrote:On July 21 2012 13:18 tdt wrote:Looks like Stephano will take home another championship with only protoss left. Only protoss who can beat him is MC and he's not there. uhh... what? Oz has good PvZ and Hero when he is on his game has amongst the best PvZ. This is no cake walk at all for Stephano. Also.. I make the assumption that the finals has the winner of bracket one vs the winner of bracket two so if you look at the favorite to get out of there being Taeja, then Stephano isn't even the favorite to win the tourney. Taeja when he is on is crazy good. Stephano is good enough to beat everyone there but I don't think he is the favorite in every match. lol korean bias to the fullest. ... idiocy at it's finest. So I believe that Hero and Oz who both have good PvZ can beat Stephano? Nothing bad there I hope. I believe that Taeja is one of the top players in the world right now with the way he has been playing in Korean and foreign leagues and believe he is the favorite in the match. Something bad there? I believe that there are some matches Stephano is not the favorite in but can still win... something bad there? Grow up or get better arguments. Winning this will be no cake walk for Stephano. Many players are good enough to beat him and some players could even be considered the favorite(Obviously not in your books). Idiocy at it's finest...lol right bro! Anyway! Take a look at Stephanos last 14 games and tell me why Hero's in it and lost 1-3? Even MC himself fell. I can see Taeja as a possible candidate to beat Stephano but not the other two. I said "korean bias to the fullest" because you clearly ignore the fact that Stephano is better then hero and oz and still favored them over Steph lol. You must be new to Sc2. Anyone can lose a best of three. If Inori can beat Stephano then everyone else in this tournament has a shot too.
I am not new to SC2 and you are absolutely correct that anyone can lose a best of three. However, take a look at Stephanos last 18 vs Protoss matches and tell me how is he not favored over Oz or Hero (who "recently" went 1-3 against Stephano)? Inori beat Stephano 4 months ago & the game has certainly evolved since then. Stephano is a lot better then he was 4 months ago. He beat a MC who 3-0ed DRG and who is in the GSL code S finals.
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On July 21 2012 17:33 Random_Guy09 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 14:29 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 21 2012 14:01 mrtomjones wrote:On July 21 2012 13:57 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 21 2012 13:47 mrtomjones wrote:On July 21 2012 13:18 tdt wrote:Looks like Stephano will take home another championship with only protoss left. Only protoss who can beat him is MC and he's not there. uhh... what? Oz has good PvZ and Hero when he is on his game has amongst the best PvZ. This is no cake walk at all for Stephano. Also.. I make the assumption that the finals has the winner of bracket one vs the winner of bracket two so if you look at the favorite to get out of there being Taeja, then Stephano isn't even the favorite to win the tourney. Taeja when he is on is crazy good. Stephano is good enough to beat everyone there but I don't think he is the favorite in every match. lol korean bias to the fullest. ... idiocy at it's finest. So I believe that Hero and Oz who both have good PvZ can beat Stephano? Nothing bad there I hope. I believe that Taeja is one of the top players in the world right now with the way he has been playing in Korean and foreign leagues and believe he is the favorite in the match. Something bad there? I believe that there are some matches Stephano is not the favorite in but can still win... something bad there? Grow up or get better arguments. Winning this will be no cake walk for Stephano. Many players are good enough to beat him and some players could even be considered the favorite(Obviously not in your books). Idiocy at it's finest...lol right bro! Anyway! Take a look at Stephanos last 14 games and tell me why Hero's in it and lost 1-3? Even MC himself fell. I can see Taeja as a possible candidate to beat Stephano but not the other two. I said "korean bias to the fullest" because you clearly ignore the fact that Stephano is better then hero and oz and still favored them over Steph lol. Too bad Stephano cant answer the immortal push that destroy's him when any protoss with insane micro goes for it and completely destroy's him. Wait for GSL and see Code S protoss's destroy him with pretty much every timing in the book. Get off of your high horse.
Wtf, how am I on my high horse when I don't even have a horse? Hmmm, let's think...okay!
Anyway, I recall hero doing the immortal push in NASL (game 3 I believe) and Stephano crushed it. About your GSL Code S protoss destroy him part...Didn't the man with 1,000,000 (exaggerated) different timings (MC) recently lose against Stephano? MC is certainly a lot better then Hero or Oz in the matchup.
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On July 21 2012 22:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 22:18 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On July 21 2012 20:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:On July 21 2012 20:00 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:51 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 21 2012 19:47 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:30 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 19:29 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:15 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 19:12 Benjamin99 wrote:
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Haha, Dodgin:D
Well im glad you seen the light:D Yeah, beating Hero and MC in succession as a Zerg is one of the most difficult things you can ever accomplish. That pushed it over the edge for me, I used to think he was over-rated but not anymore. Up there with Dongraegu for sure as best Zerg. DRG is still considerably better. Up there with, not equal to or better than I think Stephano is 2nd best Zerg after seeing Symbol's recent fall. I think it's very hard to judge the difference between Symbol/Nestea/Leenock and Stephano (you could even throw guys like Curious, Coca, Hyun etc.. into the mix). If those three Koreans spent all their time playing foreign tournament which in most cases have a slightly weaker or far weaker lineup than Code S they would have really, really damn good results too. Likewise if Stephano spent all his time playing GSL and GSTL he wouldn't find himself winning 80% of the games he plays either. Stephano spends a lot of time beating on foreigners, lower Code S and Code A/B Koreans and the odd elite Korean. When he plays guys like Nestea, Symbol, Mvp, MMA, MC, MKP his record is fine but it's not like he's doing better than breaking even at best. DRG's record this season speaks for itself that he is a cut above. Aeroplaneoverthesea thats simply not true. Check his games and stats from the last 3 months and you will see a huge list of Code S players beaten. And not only beaten he beat them with a +70 win ratio. Check the stats from youself plz vs MC 4-2
vs Hero 3-1
vs MKP 1-2
vs Ganzi 2-0
vs Polt 2-1
vs Squirtle 3-1
vs MC 2-3
vs Parting 2-0
vs Violet 2-0
vs Violet 0-2
vs Symbol 0-2
vs MC 2-1
vs MMA 0-2
vs Nestea 1-2
vs MKP 1-2vs Polt 1-2 vs Polt 5-2 vs Polt 1-4 vs MC 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 I included players who were Code S at the time of the games being played (perhaps I missed or added a few who were/weren't Code S I guessed some of them). All games from 2012 and including only games played on LAN. 32 games won, 33 games lost. So just under a 50% win rate. Obviously that's actually really good because it's against the best players in the world. My point is that if he was like Nestea and played against this player pool exclusively he wouldn't look nearly as dominant as he does when he only plays in foreign tournament (which IPL and MLG aside) always feature far inferior player pools to Code S. He also does far, far better vs Protoss than Terran/Zerg. The bolded are games from the last three months which would give him 25 wins and 21 losses. Good win rate, nothing out of this world amazing though. HerO also forgot warpgate and still beat Stephano in the EGMC ace match. So he's by no means "unreal". Sure he's good but he's never played anything in Korea. We'll see how he's gonna do in GSTL. I'm also really interested in why he's not playing Code S even though he could. I think I've got an idea why but yeah. Yeah, if anything you should count an online match where Stephano had nothing to win instead of a Lan with 30k on the line where Stephano completely destroyed Hero. Good logic you got there. And yeah, Stephano is so scared to face off those code S koreans since he knows he has no chance of beating anyone... Yeah you should count that. "Nothing to win" in an ace match, lol. Good logic you got there. Everybody knows that HerO's nerves get to him like crazy during offline events and it showed at NASL. Also it's not that he's scared of Code S koreans, I think it's Code S itself. It's preparation based and Stephano is predictable. Give people time to prepare builds against him and they'll run him over easily because that type of competition doesn't suit him. I think it's his reputation as this foreign Korean slayer that he doesn't wanna lose. And that he would in Code S, imho.
lol dude stop with the nerves excuse! Hero has played since the beginning of 2011, has been on many stages and played a bunch of "live" Code S and Code A matches. Give credit where credit is due. He was outplayed, that's it! Plain and simple. So, you think when Ret was 4-0ed by MC he lost because of nerves, right?
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On July 21 2012 20:00 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 19:51 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 21 2012 19:47 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:30 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 19:29 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On July 21 2012 19:15 Dodgin wrote:On July 21 2012 19:12 Benjamin99 wrote:On July 21 2012 19:04 Dodgin wrote:
I used to be a Stephano anti-fan but I gave up, he's too good that's it's too painful to cheer against him. I accepted his skill after he won NASL.
It's nice to see at least one foreigner who can complete and beat the Korean players, sc2 would indeed be dire for foreign players without him.
We have Naniwa too in the GSL of course but he doesn't go to many foreign tournaments these days while Stephano goes to almost all of them. Haha, Dodgin:D Well im glad you seen the light:D Yeah, beating Hero and MC in succession as a Zerg is one of the most difficult things you can ever accomplish. That pushed it over the edge for me, I used to think he was over-rated but not anymore. Up there with Dongraegu for sure as best Zerg. DRG is still considerably better. Up there with, not equal to or better than I think Stephano is 2nd best Zerg after seeing Symbol's recent fall. I think it's very hard to judge the difference between Symbol/Nestea/Leenock and Stephano (you could even throw guys like Curious, Coca, Hyun etc.. into the mix). If those three Koreans spent all their time playing foreign tournament which in most cases have a slightly weaker or far weaker lineup than Code S they would have really, really damn good results too. Likewise if Stephano spent all his time playing GSL and GSTL he wouldn't find himself winning 80% of the games he plays either. Stephano spends a lot of time beating on foreigners, lower Code S and Code A/B Koreans and the odd elite Korean. When he plays guys like Nestea, Symbol, Mvp, MMA, MC, MKP his record is fine but it's not like he's doing better than breaking even at best. DRG's record this season speaks for itself that he is a cut above. Aeroplaneoverthesea thats simply not true. Check his games and stats from the last 3 months and you will see a huge list of Code S players beaten. And not only beaten he beat them with a +70 win ratio. Check the stats from youself plz vs MC 4-2
vs Hero 3-1
vs MKP 1-2
vs Ganzi 2-0
vs Polt 2-1
vs Squirtle 3-1
vs MC 2-3
vs Parting 2-0
vs Violet 2-0
vs Violet 0-2
vs Symbol 0-2
vs MC 2-1
vs MMA 0-2
vs Nestea 1-2
vs MKP 1-2vs Polt 1-2 vs Polt 5-2 vs Polt 1-4 vs MC 0-2 vs MKP 0-2 I included players who were Code S at the time of the games being played (perhaps I missed or added a few who were/weren't Code S I guessed some of them). All games from 2012 and including only games played on LAN. 32 games won, 33 games lost. So just under a 50% win rate. Obviously that's actually really good because it's against the best players in the world. My point is that if he was like Nestea and played against this player pool exclusively he wouldn't look nearly as dominant as he does when he only plays in foreign tournament (which IPL and MLG aside) always feature far inferior player pools to Code S. He also does far, far better vs Protoss than Terran/Zerg. The bolded are games from the last three months which would give him 25 wins and 21 losses. Good win rate, nothing out of this world amazing though.
Stephano beat MC 2-0 not 2-1 at last MLG Spring Arena 2.
In addition to those results you have listed above, at LANs in 2012 Stephano also beat Keen 2-1 at DreamHack. Puma 2-0 at DreamHack and Puma again 3-0 at Assembly. He also beat Curious (2-1), Ganzi (twice, 2-0 at Red Bull and 2-0 at MLG Spring Championship), Ryung (2-1), JYP twice (2-1 and 2-0), Bomber (2-0), Heart (2-1), Rain (2-1), Alicia (2-0 and 4-0) at LANs in recent months. And now Revivial 2-1. Impressive list of scalps imo.
I am not comparing Stephano's LAN results with those of other players but it is impressive how many Koreans he has beaten. He also has LAN wins against notable Foreigners Nerchio, Ret and Huk.
Obviously Oz will be a challenge. But we will see what happens.
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