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noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
July 17 2012 09:53 GMT
#401
Glad Creator won since he's amazing, though that last game was hard to watch. Especially having all the EMPs hit perfectly and the battle still being so one-sided.
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
July 17 2012 09:54 GMT
#402
Does Jjakji get to the U&D or?
hyptonic
Profile Joined June 2011
2155 Posts
July 17 2012 09:54 GMT
#403
creator sippin gatorade.
that hot6ix sponsorship paying off.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
July 17 2012 09:54 GMT
#404
On July 17 2012 18:52 pdd wrote:
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On July 17 2012 18:50 mith652 wrote:
EMPed all the HTs, half the archons, snipes the colossus straight away, even on upgrades, supplies about level, still gets rolled.

He didn't have enough Ghosts and didn't use the EMPs with his reinforcing ghosts. Had he landed EMPs on those Archons with his reinforcing Ghosts he would have been able to push the Toss army back.

Wolf and Khaldor talk about the obs being killed as if it's a bad thing, but Creator losing observers in fact won him the game, it was not anything else, the lack of mules meant that Jjakji had a smaller army supply, he WON the battle, but lost the game due to scanning observers, creator definetely lost more in that engagement.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Serotonin1
Profile Joined October 2011
United States225 Posts
July 17 2012 09:54 GMT
#405
I have to go to work in the next 3 hours so I hope someone can step up! I'll try faster tweet style for this TvT
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 17 2012 09:54 GMT
#406
Creator will go up against puzzle or curious next round.
Glorious SEA doto
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
July 17 2012 09:54 GMT
#407
On July 17 2012 18:54 WigglingSquid wrote:
Does Jjakji get to the U&D or?

yes he is in the up and down matches
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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
July 17 2012 09:54 GMT
#408
On July 17 2012 18:54 WigglingSquid wrote:
Does Jjakji get to the U&D or?


Yes U&D's
Cramsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1100 Posts
July 17 2012 09:54 GMT
#409
On July 17 2012 18:52 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 18:50 mith652 wrote:
EMPed all the HTs, half the archons, snipes the colossus straight away, even on upgrades, supplies about level, still gets rolled.

He didn't have enough Ghosts and didn't use the EMPs with his reinforcing ghosts. Had he landed EMPs on those Archons with his reinforcing Ghosts he would have been able to push the Toss army back.



It wasn't even close though. The 15 or whatever zealot warp in rolled him even further.
"give me 20 minutes and I'll make them quiet" - MVP
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
July 17 2012 09:54 GMT
#410
On July 17 2012 18:53 EleanorRIgby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 18:52 Hassybaby wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:52 Chantastic wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:50 mith652 wrote:
EMPed all the HTs, half the archons, snipes the colossus straight away, even on upgrades, supplies about level, still gets rolled.


I mean I really hate to balance whine, but really, how could he have engaged that better?


An actual concave instead of being in a ball?


then the zealot/archons do way more damage

No way zealots and archons do more damage vs a concave.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
artosismermaid
Profile Joined May 2011
213 Posts
July 17 2012 09:54 GMT
#411
emp, a useful spell toi have
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
July 17 2012 09:54 GMT
#412
On July 17 2012 18:53 EleanorRIgby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 18:52 Hassybaby wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:52 Chantastic wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:50 mith652 wrote:
EMPed all the HTs, half the archons, snipes the colossus straight away, even on upgrades, supplies about level, still gets rolled.


I mean I really hate to balance whine, but really, how could he have engaged that better?


An actual concave instead of being in a ball?


then the zealot/archons do way more damage


The archons, who have splash, do more damage to a line as opposed to the ball. And the Zealots don't get a surround but do more damage too

Makes sense
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
July 17 2012 09:55 GMT
#413
you cant kite with a concave, its bad.
Thobrik
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1120 Posts
July 17 2012 09:55 GMT
#414
On July 17 2012 18:52 Chantastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 18:50 mith652 wrote:
EMPed all the HTs, half the archons, snipes the colossus straight away, even on upgrades, supplies about level, still gets rolled.


I mean I really hate to balance whine, but really, how could he have engaged that better?


A bit too few ghosts, no emp's on the zealots, invested 250/250 in an upgrade that hadn't finished.

It's all very small things, but you gotta realize creator is probably the best player in the world on the ladder, and ladder skills often eventually translates into LAN skill.
"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered, Religion is answers that may never be questioned."
Serotonin1
Profile Joined October 2011
United States225 Posts
July 17 2012 09:56 GMT
#415
On July 17 2012 18:52 Probe1 wrote:
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On July 17 2012 18:51 Serotonin1 wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:50 Serotonin1 wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:42 Serotonin1 wrote:
Creator vs. Jjaki Game 3 on Ohana!

Creator spawns on the top, our Terran player Jjaki spawns on the bottom.

2:00 - Standard openings so far, no gas yet for Jjaki. Creator goes with the safe 13 Gateway into scout. Looks like another Gateway expand for him, and Jjaki might actually 1 rax fe. Creator manages to save his scouting probe.

4:00 - Jjaki's CC goes down as Creator takes a second gas. Jjaki bunker-blocking Creator's natural.

5:00 - Second gateway goes down for Creator before he takes his Natural at 6:00.Standard play from Jjaki, goes up to 3-racks.

6:00 - Warpgate tech finishing up for Creator as he goes into Robo before 3 gate. Possibly because this map is notorious for 1/1/1. No shennigans like that coming from Jjaki, however, as he throws down his e-bay.

7:00 - Creator throws down a robo bay immediately after his first obs. Looks like it's going to be a colossus timing. Jjaki clears out Creators stalker from the watch tower with a group of marines.



8:00 - Jjaki has 3 rax (2x reactor 1x tech lab) with the Starport almost finished as Creator's first Colossus and forge finish up. Jjaki snipes Creator's observer forcing Creator to make another one. And another Observer snipe from Jjaki. He does not like Obs.

9:00 - Creator throws down a second forge, hasn't started another Colossus or range. Jjaki starts pushing out with his first two medivacs as combat shields, stim and +1 finishes up. Jjaki spouts the Colossus and starts viking production.

10:00 Creator's twilight council finishes up, charge starts immediately. Jjaki droping in the main but Creator is in position, though jjaki gets a full scout off with a stim marine. 1/1 finishing up for Creator as he switches to Templar tech.

11:00 - Creator immediately morphs an archon upon the completion of his templar archives. Both players are destroying the rocks to their thirds.

13:00 - Storm and charge almost finished for Creator, 2/2 is halfway done. Looks to be preparing for a sick timing before Jjaki has any ghosts. Super heavy marine comp from Jjaki will melt to storms. Jjaki stops making vikings, throws down a ghost academy and starts his third base. Creator also taking his third.

15:00 - Players roughly even in supply, Jjaki starts ghost production and resumes medivac production. Jjaki posturing outside of Creator's third as Creator harasses Jjaki's third with a few zealots.

16:00 - Creator secures his third while Jjaki starts +3 weapons, Cloak and beefs up his third a bit with some bunkers.

17:00 - Creator splits his army and pushes towards Jjaki! Jjaki retreats. Creator seems to have forgotten his 3/3. Creator pushes into Jjaki but he doesn't have any storms! Great EMPS! THE COLOSSUS MELT!

18:00 - Jjaki's reinforcements stop Creator's push right at the entrance to his nat! Creator keeps going though1 The scvs come off from Jjaki!

19:00 - Creator reinforces and his ahead by 60 supply! Force fields Jjaki out of his nat, Jjaki is now stuck in his main. as he pushes toward Jjaki's third.

20:00 Jjaki warping in a ton of zealots and high templar outside Jjaki's vacated third. Creator double the supply of Jjaki.


21:00 - Creator pushes up Jjaki's natural with a ton of well placed storms as Jjaki ggs out.

Sorry, got caught up and didn't post the majority of the game for way too long x.x

Bit tough to keep up isn't it? It's where at least 3000 of my posts have come from ;p Hope you got your dual monitor set up, i don't see how you could with just one :o


I just set the window to the side my browser :\. I like looking at the production tabs though, often times casters won't see things that are important (like Jjaki continuing viking production)
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
July 17 2012 09:57 GMT
#416
On July 17 2012 18:54 IshinShishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 18:52 pdd wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:50 mith652 wrote:
EMPed all the HTs, half the archons, snipes the colossus straight away, even on upgrades, supplies about level, still gets rolled.

He didn't have enough Ghosts and didn't use the EMPs with his reinforcing ghosts. Had he landed EMPs on those Archons with his reinforcing Ghosts he would have been able to push the Toss army back.

Wolf and Khaldor talk about the obs being killed as if it's a bad thing, but Creator losing observers in fact won him the game, it was not anything else, the lack of mules meant that Jjakji had a smaller army supply, he WON the battle, but lost the game due to scanning observers, creator definetely lost more in that engagement.


every top T tries to snipe every obs. A low amount of scvs resulted indeed on a shittier economy but it didn't matter in the engagement :'(
Zest fanboy.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
July 17 2012 09:57 GMT
#417
On July 17 2012 18:54 IshinShishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 18:52 pdd wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:50 mith652 wrote:
EMPed all the HTs, half the archons, snipes the colossus straight away, even on upgrades, supplies about level, still gets rolled.

He didn't have enough Ghosts and didn't use the EMPs with his reinforcing ghosts. Had he landed EMPs on those Archons with his reinforcing Ghosts he would have been able to push the Toss army back.

Wolf and Khaldor talk about the obs being killed as if it's a bad thing, but Creator losing observers in fact won him the game, it was not anything else, the lack of mules meant that Jjakji had a smaller army supply, he WON the battle, but lost the game due to scanning observers, creator definetely lost more in that engagement.

new metagame, mass observers to force scans
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13JackaL
Profile Joined March 2011
United States577 Posts
July 17 2012 09:57 GMT
#418
On July 17 2012 18:54 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 18:53 EleanorRIgby wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:52 Hassybaby wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:52 Chantastic wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:50 mith652 wrote:
EMPed all the HTs, half the archons, snipes the colossus straight away, even on upgrades, supplies about level, still gets rolled.


I mean I really hate to balance whine, but really, how could he have engaged that better?


An actual concave instead of being in a ball?


then the zealot/archons do way more damage


The archons, who have splash, do more damage to a line as opposed to the ball. And the Zealots don't get a surround but do more damage too

Makes sense


its true though, lines have more surface area. concaves are best vs collosi and HTs. Also, balled up allows kiting
and my axe
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
July 17 2012 09:58 GMT
#419
On July 17 2012 18:54 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 18:53 EleanorRIgby wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:52 Hassybaby wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:52 Chantastic wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:50 mith652 wrote:
EMPed all the HTs, half the archons, snipes the colossus straight away, even on upgrades, supplies about level, still gets rolled.


I mean I really hate to balance whine, but really, how could he have engaged that better?


An actual concave instead of being in a ball?


then the zealot/archons do way more damage


The archons, who have splash, do more damage to a line as opposed to the ball. And the Zealots don't get a surround but do more damage too

Makes sense


not all zealots/archon's are able to hit when its in a ball only like half of them, when its a concave all of them get to attack. its better to start in a ball then go in to a concave, when you start out in a concave the protoss army gets on top of you to quick.
savior did nothing wrong
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 09:59:37
July 17 2012 09:58 GMT
#420
On July 17 2012 18:54 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 18:53 EleanorRIgby wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:52 Hassybaby wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:52 Chantastic wrote:
On July 17 2012 18:50 mith652 wrote:
EMPed all the HTs, half the archons, snipes the colossus straight away, even on upgrades, supplies about level, still gets rolled.


I mean I really hate to balance whine, but really, how could he have engaged that better?


An actual concave instead of being in a ball?


then the zealot/archons do way more damage

No way zealots and archons do more damage vs a concave.


they do because if you're in a ball you're in the most effective formation for kiting while allowing the minimum surface damage. And the archons dealt damage only at the end because you just micro away from them.

hassybaby you're clearly clueless. What's the last time a kor T had his MMM surrounded by chargelots coming from one angle?
Zest fanboy.
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