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do units have miss chance lowground to highground in sc2?
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United States97276 Posts
On July 12 2012 19:02 jackdaleaper wrote:
Hmm, are foreign leagues the only ones to force cross pos on this map?
Entombed is only horizontal spawns disabled, not cross spawn forced
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On July 12 2012 19:02 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 19:01 Jono7272 wrote:On July 12 2012 19:00 KonohaFlash wrote:On July 12 2012 18:58 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:57 Talack wrote:On July 12 2012 18:53 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:53 Talack wrote:On July 12 2012 18:52 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:50 Talack wrote:On July 12 2012 18:49 woob wrote:
i wonder how the foreign terrans feel when they watch this
since they endlessly cal imbalance but when you are as good as you could potentially be it is still even I think the foreign terrans aren't counting on the zerg being so greedy that you can get 13+ drone kills so early on. Isn't that what they have been saying? 6 queens lets you play super greedy? Seems they just got countered by this game if what you say is true. Seems that nestea had all his queens far out of position and then didn't bother bringing them over till all the drones were dead. Common man you watched the game, use your head and think. Queens are ALWAYS out of position in every game. That's what zergs have been saying. They walk slow you can do hellion runbys.. Use your head and think. Given the map that it was on, he had 3 different paths that he could use to go over to there. There was no spine (a spore instead) in the mineral line and no zerglings at all on the map. 2 quens were 3-4 screens away spreading creep on another part, 1 queen was at the hatchery and one was below the ramp. Byun had so much going for him and nestea had nothing in position to help at all, this was a map related win for the harassment. If this was for example entombed where there is only 2 paths in and it's a very small area then it's extemely easy to defeat the hellion harass and it wouldn't have worked at all. Map + nestea reacting slow + queens being in horrible positions = 13 drones killed without any losses really. Common man, I think anyone could have watched that game and figured out why it worked and why it doesn't work normally... lets play a game. I will play terran, you play zerg. If your logic is right, you should win me. Can you stop making terrible posts please. Aren't you the same person who earlier said they switched to Terran because of the fear of bunker rushes as zerg? How he hasn't received warnings or bans yet I don't know.. Such annoying posts. Because what I said makes sense? You were whining about terran being up. I make sense so you find it annoying when I said zerg is not op? how you have not received a warning is what I want to know.
I haven't talked about balance. You have, non-stop. With aggressive, I'm right, everyone else is wrong sort of posts.
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I found some VODs of Metropolis played at GSL that does indeed have neutral depots and another case where there aren't any.
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On July 12 2012 19:04 hyptonic wrote:
do units have miss chance lowground to highground in sc2?
No. Only vision is required.
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On July 12 2012 19:01 Juliette wrote:CC first, hatch first 2 rax after CC, nestea gets a pool after his third
Nestea making queens, byun sees the creep at the third but not the hatch.
5:00 Byun sends 5 marines, they're found by a zergling. He adds a factory and goes to poke the third base, 2 queens slow walk their way. SCV making a bunker by the rocks, drones take gases to not doe tho marines, 2 queens fight 2 reinforcing marines.
6:00 bunker is cancelled, marines are cleaned up but nestea has taken some damage anyway. Hellions on the way, 3 barracks now, one building, one tech lab, one reactor
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On July 12 2012 19:04 Jono7272 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 19:02 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 19:01 Jono7272 wrote:On July 12 2012 19:00 KonohaFlash wrote:On July 12 2012 18:58 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:57 Talack wrote:On July 12 2012 18:53 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:53 Talack wrote:On July 12 2012 18:52 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:50 Talack wrote:
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I think the foreign terrans aren't counting on the zerg being so greedy that you can get 13+ drone kills so early on. Isn't that what they have been saying? 6 queens lets you play super greedy? Seems they just got countered by this game if what you say is true. Seems that nestea had all his queens far out of position and then didn't bother bringing them over till all the drones were dead. Common man you watched the game, use your head and think. Queens are ALWAYS out of position in every game. That's what zergs have been saying. They walk slow you can do hellion runbys.. Use your head and think. Given the map that it was on, he had 3 different paths that he could use to go over to there. There was no spine (a spore instead) in the mineral line and no zerglings at all on the map. 2 quens were 3-4 screens away spreading creep on another part, 1 queen was at the hatchery and one was below the ramp. Byun had so much going for him and nestea had nothing in position to help at all, this was a map related win for the harassment. If this was for example entombed where there is only 2 paths in and it's a very small area then it's extemely easy to defeat the hellion harass and it wouldn't have worked at all. Map + nestea reacting slow + queens being in horrible positions = 13 drones killed without any losses really. Common man, I think anyone could have watched that game and figured out why it worked and why it doesn't work normally... lets play a game. I will play terran, you play zerg. If your logic is right, you should win me. Can you stop making terrible posts please. Aren't you the same person who earlier said they switched to Terran because of the fear of bunker rushes as zerg? How he hasn't received warnings or bans yet I don't know.. Such annoying posts. Because what I said makes sense? You were whining about terran being up. I make sense so you find it annoying when I said zerg is not op? how you have not received a warning is what I want to know. I haven't talked about balance. You have, non-stop. With aggressive, I'm right, everyone else is wrong sort of posts.
well I would request if a mod sees this to see his post history because he whined about balance. Thank you.
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On July 12 2012 19:02 ThePlayer33 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 18:57 MrKn4rz wrote:On July 12 2012 18:55 Jono7272 wrote:On July 12 2012 18:53 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:53 Talack wrote:On July 12 2012 18:52 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:50 Talack wrote:On July 12 2012 18:49 woob wrote:
i wonder how the foreign terrans feel when they watch this
since they endlessly cal imbalance but when you are as good as you could potentially be it is still even I think the foreign terrans aren't counting on the zerg being so greedy that you can get 13+ drone kills so early on. Isn't that what they have been saying? 6 queens lets you play super greedy? Seems they just got countered by this game if what you say is true. Seems that nestea had all his queens far out of position and then didn't bother bringing them over till all the drones were dead. Common man you watched the game, use your head and think. Queens are ALWAYS out of position in every game. That's what zergs have been saying. They walk slow you can do hellion runbys.. Use your head and think. Damn your posts are biased.. No need to be so hostile in them either. Queens are not always out of position. I guess when he said "Zergs" he meant IdrA.. OK. when you have 6 queens, you dont keep 3 at natural and 3 at third to prevent hellions. you have 1 for each base, and 1 queen on 2 paths of creep when 3 queens are spread out. you can't spread creep if all your queens are in your natural. so if you creep spreads very far, you wont have queens at your nat or 3rd at all. the act of running hellions past queens DIRECTLY pull queens back, where the queens CANNOT spread creep. (of course, the creep tumours themselves can still spread creep, but the creep problem lies in the queens' laying turmours ENDLESSLY as they gain energy)
1. He said "always" which is simply not true.
2. I forgot to put a  after my post and I apologize.
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On July 12 2012 19:04 Jono7272 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 19:02 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 19:01 Jono7272 wrote:On July 12 2012 19:00 KonohaFlash wrote:On July 12 2012 18:58 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:57 Talack wrote:On July 12 2012 18:53 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:53 Talack wrote:On July 12 2012 18:52 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:50 Talack wrote:
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I think the foreign terrans aren't counting on the zerg being so greedy that you can get 13+ drone kills so early on. Isn't that what they have been saying? 6 queens lets you play super greedy? Seems they just got countered by this game if what you say is true. Seems that nestea had all his queens far out of position and then didn't bother bringing them over till all the drones were dead. Common man you watched the game, use your head and think. Queens are ALWAYS out of position in every game. That's what zergs have been saying. They walk slow you can do hellion runbys.. Use your head and think. Given the map that it was on, he had 3 different paths that he could use to go over to there. There was no spine (a spore instead) in the mineral line and no zerglings at all on the map. 2 quens were 3-4 screens away spreading creep on another part, 1 queen was at the hatchery and one was below the ramp. Byun had so much going for him and nestea had nothing in position to help at all, this was a map related win for the harassment. If this was for example entombed where there is only 2 paths in and it's a very small area then it's extemely easy to defeat the hellion harass and it wouldn't have worked at all. Map + nestea reacting slow + queens being in horrible positions = 13 drones killed without any losses really. Common man, I think anyone could have watched that game and figured out why it worked and why it doesn't work normally... lets play a game. I will play terran, you play zerg. If your logic is right, you should win me. Can you stop making terrible posts please. Aren't you the same person who earlier said they switched to Terran because of the fear of bunker rushes as zerg? How he hasn't received warnings or bans yet I don't know.. Such annoying posts. Because what I said makes sense? You were whining about terran being up. I make sense so you find it annoying when I said zerg is not op? how you have not received a warning is what I want to know. I haven't talked about balance. You have, non-stop. With aggressive, I'm right, everyone else is wrong sort of posts.
Arguing with imnightmare is a no-win situation anyway :p
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On July 12 2012 19:04 Raygun wrote:I found some VODs of Metropolis played at GSL that does indeed have neutral depots and another case where there aren't any. + Show Spoiler +
Ouch... good find
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Is byun going to 3-0 Nestea? I don't have matches loaded!
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lol artosis, "hella behind"
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On July 12 2012 19:04 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 19:04 Jono7272 wrote:On July 12 2012 19:02 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 19:01 Jono7272 wrote:On July 12 2012 19:00 KonohaFlash wrote:On July 12 2012 18:58 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:57 Talack wrote:On July 12 2012 18:53 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:53 Talack wrote:On July 12 2012 18:52 ImNightmare wrote:
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Isn't that what they have been saying? 6 queens lets you play super greedy? Seems they just got countered by this game if what you say is true. Seems that nestea had all his queens far out of position and then didn't bother bringing them over till all the drones were dead. Common man you watched the game, use your head and think. Queens are ALWAYS out of position in every game. That's what zergs have been saying. They walk slow you can do hellion runbys.. Use your head and think. Given the map that it was on, he had 3 different paths that he could use to go over to there. There was no spine (a spore instead) in the mineral line and no zerglings at all on the map. 2 quens were 3-4 screens away spreading creep on another part, 1 queen was at the hatchery and one was below the ramp. Byun had so much going for him and nestea had nothing in position to help at all, this was a map related win for the harassment. If this was for example entombed where there is only 2 paths in and it's a very small area then it's extemely easy to defeat the hellion harass and it wouldn't have worked at all. Map + nestea reacting slow + queens being in horrible positions = 13 drones killed without any losses really. Common man, I think anyone could have watched that game and figured out why it worked and why it doesn't work normally... lets play a game. I will play terran, you play zerg. If your logic is right, you should win me. Can you stop making terrible posts please. Aren't you the same person who earlier said they switched to Terran because of the fear of bunker rushes as zerg? How he hasn't received warnings or bans yet I don't know.. Such annoying posts. Because what I said makes sense? You were whining about terran being up. I make sense so you find it annoying when I said zerg is not op? how you have not received a warning is what I want to know. I haven't talked about balance. You have, non-stop. With aggressive, I'm right, everyone else is wrong sort of posts. well I would request if a mod sees this to see his post history because he whined about balance. Thank you.
Look into a mirror
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well, i guess destructible rocks are pretty good tool to balance for this game. Add a couple of them near 3rd and it weakens zerg, removes them and its an indirect buff to terran.
Can't tell if dustin browder is a genius or not
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France29748 Posts
I'm watching GSL from a remote computer watching the desktop of my home computer on a crappy EEEEPC from a shared hotel wifi, and for the first time in weeks my GOM isn't lagging or behind 3 minutes behind xD
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Australia54784 Posts
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On July 12 2012 19:02 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 19:01 Jono7272 wrote:On July 12 2012 19:00 KonohaFlash wrote:On July 12 2012 18:58 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:57 Talack wrote:On July 12 2012 18:53 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:53 Talack wrote:On July 12 2012 18:52 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:50 Talack wrote:On July 12 2012 18:49 woob wrote:
i wonder how the foreign terrans feel when they watch this
since they endlessly cal imbalance but when you are as good as you could potentially be it is still even I think the foreign terrans aren't counting on the zerg being so greedy that you can get 13+ drone kills so early on. Isn't that what they have been saying? 6 queens lets you play super greedy? Seems they just got countered by this game if what you say is true. Seems that nestea had all his queens far out of position and then didn't bother bringing them over till all the drones were dead. Common man you watched the game, use your head and think. Queens are ALWAYS out of position in every game. That's what zergs have been saying. They walk slow you can do hellion runbys.. Use your head and think. Given the map that it was on, he had 3 different paths that he could use to go over to there. There was no spine (a spore instead) in the mineral line and no zerglings at all on the map. 2 quens were 3-4 screens away spreading creep on another part, 1 queen was at the hatchery and one was below the ramp. Byun had so much going for him and nestea had nothing in position to help at all, this was a map related win for the harassment. If this was for example entombed where there is only 2 paths in and it's a very small area then it's extemely easy to defeat the hellion harass and it wouldn't have worked at all. Map + nestea reacting slow + queens being in horrible positions = 13 drones killed without any losses really. Common man, I think anyone could have watched that game and figured out why it worked and why it doesn't work normally... lets play a game. I will play terran, you play zerg. If your logic is right, you should win me. Can you stop making terrible posts please. Aren't you the same person who earlier said they switched to Terran because of the fear of bunker rushes as zerg? How he hasn't received warnings or bans yet I don't know.. Such annoying posts. Because what I said makes sense? You were whining about terran being up. I make sense so you find it annoying when I said zerg is not op? how you have not received a warning is what I want to know.
Will you people please stop bitching. God, every fucking LR thread, someone has to bitch about imbalance. It's so fucking annoying.
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On July 12 2012 19:05 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 19:04 Jono7272 wrote:On July 12 2012 19:02 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 19:01 Jono7272 wrote:On July 12 2012 19:00 KonohaFlash wrote:On July 12 2012 18:58 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:57 Talack wrote:On July 12 2012 18:53 ImNightmare wrote:On July 12 2012 18:53 Talack wrote:On July 12 2012 18:52 ImNightmare wrote:
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Isn't that what they have been saying? 6 queens lets you play super greedy? Seems they just got countered by this game if what you say is true. Seems that nestea had all his queens far out of position and then didn't bother bringing them over till all the drones were dead. Common man you watched the game, use your head and think. Queens are ALWAYS out of position in every game. That's what zergs have been saying. They walk slow you can do hellion runbys.. Use your head and think. Given the map that it was on, he had 3 different paths that he could use to go over to there. There was no spine (a spore instead) in the mineral line and no zerglings at all on the map. 2 quens were 3-4 screens away spreading creep on another part, 1 queen was at the hatchery and one was below the ramp. Byun had so much going for him and nestea had nothing in position to help at all, this was a map related win for the harassment. If this was for example entombed where there is only 2 paths in and it's a very small area then it's extemely easy to defeat the hellion harass and it wouldn't have worked at all. Map + nestea reacting slow + queens being in horrible positions = 13 drones killed without any losses really. Common man, I think anyone could have watched that game and figured out why it worked and why it doesn't work normally... lets play a game. I will play terran, you play zerg. If your logic is right, you should win me. Can you stop making terrible posts please. Aren't you the same person who earlier said they switched to Terran because of the fear of bunker rushes as zerg? How he hasn't received warnings or bans yet I don't know.. Such annoying posts. Because what I said makes sense? You were whining about terran being up. I make sense so you find it annoying when I said zerg is not op? how you have not received a warning is what I want to know. I haven't talked about balance. You have, non-stop. With aggressive, I'm right, everyone else is wrong sort of posts. Arguing with imnightmare is a no-win situation anyway :p
Hah yeah, I dunno what I think I'm going to achieve!
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