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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 11 2012 08:36 GMT
#261
I'm going to guess MC didn't arrive into Korea until this morning? So ffs >.< he is going to lose. Why doesn't GOM help the players that go away to foreign events!! They could of easily switched the games around with this group of 4 playing Weds and the others Today. So annoying >.<
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ogion
Profile Joined November 2011
New Zealand79 Posts
July 11 2012 08:37 GMT
#262
Seed is going to take this
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 11 2012 08:38 GMT
#263
On July 11 2012 17:30 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 17:28 ZenithM wrote:
On July 11 2012 17:09 SeaSwift wrote:
MVP had very few fans a while ago because people thought of him as generic. The reason he was so standard was because he basically set the bar for what Terran standard play actually was. Now he has a few more because of the Terran hope concept in the last GSL and his "never count me out" feel nowadays.

Taeja has potential to go down a similar route. If he can make his standard the best Terran standard in the world then he could be the MVP of 2012. It's a long road, though, and beating MC would only be the first step.

I never understood why people thought MVP's play was generic actually. He has shown plenty of innovative builds to win his GSLs, it's not like he 1 rax CC'd every game. He's always the one that comes up with the most abusive bunker placements, he was the first to show mass ghosts vs Zerg in high level play as far as I know, everyone knows MVP at his best is one of the greatest multitaskers in the game, just a few examples of what makes him stand out.

probably cos korean terrans were performing so well then that he was just another (this plagues a lot of terrans e.g. for those who don't follow the scene, supernova, forgg, noblesse, yoda, hack, asd are all "just another good korean terran")
plus players like bomber, mma, mkp are a bit more flashy than mvp i think


What game was it, where Mvp did a massive thor/tank/ghost doom drop in the main and launched 3 or 5 nukes to keep his opponent's army out in a TvT on Daybreak?

Pretty fucking flashy when he cares to be.

I'm also pretty sure most Terran builds have, in some way, been affected or determined by Mvp.
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samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
July 11 2012 08:39 GMT
#264
Didn't follow the discussion but afaik I like the OP :D As always. Thank you SeeKeR
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
July 11 2012 08:39 GMT
#265
On July 11 2012 17:30 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 17:28 ZenithM wrote:
On July 11 2012 17:09 SeaSwift wrote:
MVP had very few fans a while ago because people thought of him as generic. The reason he was so standard was because he basically set the bar for what Terran standard play actually was. Now he has a few more because of the Terran hope concept in the last GSL and his "never count me out" feel nowadays.

Taeja has potential to go down a similar route. If he can make his standard the best Terran standard in the world then he could be the MVP of 2012. It's a long road, though, and beating MC would only be the first step.

I never understood why people thought MVP's play was generic actually. He has shown plenty of innovative builds to win his GSLs, it's not like he 1 rax CC'd every game. He's always the one that comes up with the most abusive bunker placements, he was the first to show mass ghosts vs Zerg in high level play as far as I know, everyone knows MVP at his best is one of the greatest multitaskers in the game, just a few examples of what makes him stand out.

probably cos korean terrans were performing so well then that he was just another (this plagues a lot of terrans e.g. for those who don't follow the scene, supernova, forgg, noblesse, yoda, hack, asd are all "just another good korean terran")
plus players like bomber, mma, mkp are a bit more flashy than mvp i think


As someone quite sensitive to criticism of my favorite SC2 player, I can't recall MVP ever accused of playing generic. The very reason Artosis nicknamed him the game genie terran was because he could play and excel with any style. Sure MMA and MKP got a lot more love but everyone respected MVP's skills. The thing that made MVP 'boring' was his personality. Never too happy, never too sad, always just sitting there with that slightly bored open mouth look of his as he smashed another weakling into the ground and raising his fake checks with a 'been there, done that' nonchalance.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 11 2012 08:39 GMT
#266
On July 11 2012 17:33 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 17:28 ZenithM wrote:
On July 11 2012 17:09 SeaSwift wrote:
MVP had very few fans a while ago because people thought of him as generic. The reason he was so standard was because he basically set the bar for what Terran standard play actually was. Now he has a few more because of the Terran hope concept in the last GSL and his "never count me out" feel nowadays.

Taeja has potential to go down a similar route. If he can make his standard the best Terran standard in the world then he could be the MVP of 2012. It's a long road, though, and beating MC would only be the first step.

I never understood why people thought MVP's play was generic actually. He has shown plenty of innovative builds to win his GSLs, it's not like he 1 rax CC'd every game. He's always the one that comes up with the most abusive bunker placements, he was the first to show mass ghosts vs Zerg in high level play as far as I know, everyone knows MVP at his best is one of the greatest multitaskers in the game, just a few examples of what makes him stand out.


Byun was actually the first person to use mass ghosts late game TvZ in Code S.

Wasn't it more for EMPs than snipe though? I don't really remember, do you have the reference for the game?
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 08:40:15
July 11 2012 08:39 GMT
#267
On July 11 2012 17:38 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 17:30 opterown wrote:
On July 11 2012 17:28 ZenithM wrote:
On July 11 2012 17:09 SeaSwift wrote:
MVP had very few fans a while ago because people thought of him as generic. The reason he was so standard was because he basically set the bar for what Terran standard play actually was. Now he has a few more because of the Terran hope concept in the last GSL and his "never count me out" feel nowadays.

Taeja has potential to go down a similar route. If he can make his standard the best Terran standard in the world then he could be the MVP of 2012. It's a long road, though, and beating MC would only be the first step.

I never understood why people thought MVP's play was generic actually. He has shown plenty of innovative builds to win his GSLs, it's not like he 1 rax CC'd every game. He's always the one that comes up with the most abusive bunker placements, he was the first to show mass ghosts vs Zerg in high level play as far as I know, everyone knows MVP at his best is one of the greatest multitaskers in the game, just a few examples of what makes him stand out.

probably cos korean terrans were performing so well then that he was just another (this plagues a lot of terrans e.g. for those who don't follow the scene, supernova, forgg, noblesse, yoda, hack, asd are all "just another good korean terran")
plus players like bomber, mma, mkp are a bit more flashy than mvp i think


What game was it, where Mvp did a massive thor/tank/ghost doom drop in the main and launched 3 or 5 nukes to keep his opponent's army out in a TvT on Daybreak?

Pretty fucking flashy when he cares to be.

I'm also pretty sure most Terran builds have, in some way, been affected or determined by Mvp.


MVP vs TOP - GSL August Finals (Game 1)

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Solo Terran
Profile Joined November 2011
367 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-11 08:40:23
July 11 2012 08:40 GMT
#268
I was debating whether or not to go to sleep (it's 4:40am for me). Definitely pulling an all nighter to watch this lol
Wychwood
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom57 Posts
July 11 2012 08:41 GMT
#269
On July 11 2012 17:38 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 17:30 opterown wrote:
On July 11 2012 17:28 ZenithM wrote:
On July 11 2012 17:09 SeaSwift wrote:
MVP had very few fans a while ago because people thought of him as generic. The reason he was so standard was because he basically set the bar for what Terran standard play actually was. Now he has a few more because of the Terran hope concept in the last GSL and his "never count me out" feel nowadays.

Taeja has potential to go down a similar route. If he can make his standard the best Terran standard in the world then he could be the MVP of 2012. It's a long road, though, and beating MC would only be the first step.

I never understood why people thought MVP's play was generic actually. He has shown plenty of innovative builds to win his GSLs, it's not like he 1 rax CC'd every game. He's always the one that comes up with the most abusive bunker placements, he was the first to show mass ghosts vs Zerg in high level play as far as I know, everyone knows MVP at his best is one of the greatest multitaskers in the game, just a few examples of what makes him stand out.

probably cos korean terrans were performing so well then that he was just another (this plagues a lot of terrans e.g. for those who don't follow the scene, supernova, forgg, noblesse, yoda, hack, asd are all "just another good korean terran")
plus players like bomber, mma, mkp are a bit more flashy than mvp i think


What game was it, where Mvp did a massive thor/tank/ghost doom drop in the main and launched 3 or 5 nukes to keep his opponent's army out in a TvT on Daybreak?

Pretty fucking flashy when he cares to be.

I'm also pretty sure most Terran builds have, in some way, been affected or determined by Mvp.


I'm pretty sure that game was in the 2011 August GSL finals vs oGsTOP
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 11 2012 08:42 GMT
#270
On July 11 2012 17:39 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 17:38 lichter wrote:
On July 11 2012 17:30 opterown wrote:
On July 11 2012 17:28 ZenithM wrote:
On July 11 2012 17:09 SeaSwift wrote:
MVP had very few fans a while ago because people thought of him as generic. The reason he was so standard was because he basically set the bar for what Terran standard play actually was. Now he has a few more because of the Terran hope concept in the last GSL and his "never count me out" feel nowadays.

Taeja has potential to go down a similar route. If he can make his standard the best Terran standard in the world then he could be the MVP of 2012. It's a long road, though, and beating MC would only be the first step.

I never understood why people thought MVP's play was generic actually. He has shown plenty of innovative builds to win his GSLs, it's not like he 1 rax CC'd every game. He's always the one that comes up with the most abusive bunker placements, he was the first to show mass ghosts vs Zerg in high level play as far as I know, everyone knows MVP at his best is one of the greatest multitaskers in the game, just a few examples of what makes him stand out.

probably cos korean terrans were performing so well then that he was just another (this plagues a lot of terrans e.g. for those who don't follow the scene, supernova, forgg, noblesse, yoda, hack, asd are all "just another good korean terran")
plus players like bomber, mma, mkp are a bit more flashy than mvp i think


What game was it, where Mvp did a massive thor/tank/ghost doom drop in the main and launched 3 or 5 nukes to keep his opponent's army out in a TvT on Daybreak?

Pretty fucking flashy when he cares to be.

I'm also pretty sure most Terran builds have, in some way, been affected or determined by Mvp.


MVP vs TOP - GSL August Finals (Game 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOg0QeCFVZs


Thanks, I literally jumped up and down screaming when that happened.
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bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
July 11 2012 08:42 GMT
#271
Hey what sort of time does mr chae's pregame stuff start? I never normally get a chance to watch it but am excited to today
By.Sun or By.Rain, he always delivers
phoenixfeather95
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
665 Posts
July 11 2012 08:43 GMT
#272
I thought the show goes live 30 mins before 'actual' broadcast starts?
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Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
July 11 2012 08:43 GMT
#273
On July 11 2012 17:42 bbm wrote:
Hey what sort of time does mr chae's pregame stuff start? I never normally get a chance to watch it but am excited to today


Usually its in about 2 minutes.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 11 2012 08:44 GMT
#274
On July 11 2012 17:22 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 17:12 lichter wrote:
On July 11 2012 17:06 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On July 11 2012 17:01 FakeDeath wrote:
On July 11 2012 16:19 lichter wrote:
On July 11 2012 16:13 ZenithM wrote:
On July 11 2012 16:02 TAMinator wrote:
When Stephano was considered the best ZvP and nobody knew how to beat 3 hatch, Seed destroyed Stephano on stream 3 times. His PvZ not many know this, but is f'ng sick. I predict 3-2 Seed winning
Taeja is overhyped because he's from TL. i think it'll depend on what MC does. 3-2 MC winning if he picks good builds.

I'm not one to be a blind TL fan and hipster, nor I like Taeja particularly, but you gotta admit that the guy is solid. He does well in everything he enters recently, winning qualifiers and all killing teams left and right. Definitely top 3 Terrans in the world atm, one of the only ones who seem to be good in all 3 matchups.


Taeja is good but I'm just not entirely convinced of his play. I am having trouble describing what I think of it, though.

I suppose I feel that he tends to "coast" through games: he is not particularly aggressive or defensive, he doesn't do interesting builds very often, he doesn't have one part of his games that stands out (MMA and his drops, MKP and his micro, Mvp and his game sense, etc), and his game seems to lack any personality for me. He still wins a lot though, which is awesome, but I find his play so... generic? Man what an ambiguous opinion.


Ya he doesn't stand out as much.

Taeja playstyle is like Curious just Terran version.
Generic and boring but solid overall.


However, unlike Curious Taeja isn't terribly inconsistent.


Hopefully he doesn't end up a jjakji (one hit wonder, sorry jjakji fans)

jjakji is still very good; probably performing better than, say, MMA or Bomber atm


I respectfully disagree. Jjakji is not performing better than MMA. Jjakji's last major tournament win was IPL Tournament of Champions, where he did kick ass, and got a paid trip to IPL...where he was put in the same group as MMA and was defeated and eliminated there. MMA went on to get 4th.

Since then, MMA has also won Iron Squid.

They are both in the Ro32 for Code A, and both are "slumping", but you can't say that Jjakji is doing better than MMA when he hasn't made a deep Code S run since late 2011 and hasn't won a live event in 8 months. I guess the only thing Jjakji is doing better than MMA right now is the GSTL, though.

Is Jjakji doing better than Bomber? Once again, very hard to say, but that's a lot easier sell than MMA.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 11 2012 08:45 GMT
#275
Best tvt ever imo. I also never got why people found MVP generic. He always seemed to have a healthy assortment of different builds if anything. He was just never really aggressive outside of TvP (usually preferred all-ins in this mu), and instead was very macro-oriented and methodical. Guess people preferred the more flashy aggression of MMA and MKP. *shrug*
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MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
July 11 2012 08:46 GMT
#276
The lack of pregame show... my heart... my heart can't take it.
Notfragile
Profile Joined April 2011
Greece713 Posts
July 11 2012 08:46 GMT
#277
Hey Seeker... You're a hero man. Don't let them get in your head. I'm loving each and every LR you've done, because (after RO8) it's filled with small but cute details drastically increasing the hype levels. The original post of the LR thread usually gets my addicted nature at the hell of :50 to :10 when the games start (can't stand K-pop!!).

Much love and appreciation, you don't have to apologize for noone.
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
July 11 2012 08:47 GMT
#278
Stream's up
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 11 2012 08:48 GMT
#279
On July 11 2012 17:47 HaXXspetten wrote:
Stream's up


You have this uncanny ability of always popping up exactly in time for kpop
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
July 11 2012 08:49 GMT
#280
On July 11 2012 17:48 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2012 17:47 HaXXspetten wrote:
Stream's up


You have this uncanny ability of always popping up exactly in time for kpop

kinda like the point, although I don't think it'll be any today, probably just a rerun of yesterday's GNN
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