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On July 05 2012 19:28 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 19:26 tikipon wrote: Don't really like game design encouraging players to go 6-8 queens, it's so silly... But I made marines... DOESN'T MATTER HAD QUEENS But I pulled my SCVs... DOESN'T MATTER HAD QUEENS I made marauders too... DOESN'T MATTER HAD QUEENS etc etc i just had queeeeeeens, and it felt so goooood.
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On July 05 2012 19:30 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 19:29 Adreme wrote:On July 05 2012 19:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On July 05 2012 19:28 Xpace wrote:Nestea's was better  Also, only Zergs get these?!? >< MVP got one Ya but MVP allegedly has code A level zerg play so he should still count. Code A? Pshhht, he's beaten MKP with his zerg apparently. ;p Or so I've heard. Mvp's just an all around beast.
The best time was watching MVP playing random on ladder and beating Inori in TvP, PvP, and ZvP almost back to back xD
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On July 05 2012 19:27 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 19:26 Syfiass wrote: I understand that you want to all-in if you're not good enough to win a macro game, but ryung really could have won this, i'm surprised. But great defense by DRG, good transfuse micro :p .
You dont all-in because you think you're not good enough. You all-in because you think you have the advantage in doing so. Ryung took a chance and it didn't work, whats so hard to understand? Agreed. Jesus christ I hate people who argue that people all in cause they think they're the worse player. That's true if you all in every single game, but give ryung 5-10 seconds longer and he'd have won that game. Hindsight bias and spectator view makes everyone think they're the shit and know better than a code S player. In fact, I'm glad ryung showed he had the balls to do a move like that. Shows that he actually has what it takes mentally to win the GSL from my perspective.
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On July 05 2012 19:24 BuzZoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 19:22 vthree wrote:On July 05 2012 19:15 BuzZoo wrote:On July 05 2012 19:12 Notfragile wrote: That's the kind of zerg-favoured map. That's what DRG meant by "terran can't win, if i play right" No chance for Ryung... I really wonder what can be done in T early game differently
Edit: also DRG with insane macro and constant army movement AND creep spread on Ryung's door. Much harder to do than one thinks. 300 non redundant apm I think they need to find new timings to harass the 6 queen build without going all-in. I think when queens got the range upgrade, terrans give them too much respect now. They are slightly better but their DPS vs ground is still fairly shitty. If the zerg can get 3 bases up and saturated completely uncontested they will just roll terran in the midgame. No offense, I think terrans ARE trying to find a solution. But I don't buy this 'too much respect'. Remember these pro gamers play a lot of games per day and test many things out. I am sure they are trying multiple combinations to see which ones work. But right now, there just doesn't seem like there is a build where you can really pressure 6 queens without it being all-in ish. Also, remember that zerg's scouting was improved so they know when the pressure is coming and makes units accordingly. Valid argument. The queens certainly held up pretty well in that game 3. It's really the fact that to actually do any damage to a zerg with multiple queens, you pretty much have to completely overpower them, i.e go all in. There's no way to poke and prod at a zerg, due to a combination of the queen buff and zergs simply getting more comfortable against all the options terran has at the table.
I really feel like the fact that the queen now serves as an all-purpose early game unit (macro mechanic allowing drone production, creep spread allowing map control, bulky, respectable attack vs both air and ground, transfuse) is making zerg early game so simple and difficult to counter. The fact that such a simple unit pretty much does everything... it just feels wrong.
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On July 05 2012 19:30 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 19:29 Adreme wrote:On July 05 2012 19:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On July 05 2012 19:28 Xpace wrote:Nestea's was better  Also, only Zergs get these?!? >< MVP got one Ya but MVP allegedly has code A level zerg play so he should still count. Code A? Pshhht, he's beaten MKP with his zerg apparently. ;p Or so I've heard. Mvp's just an all around beast. He also beat Inori in a PvP during his stream not sure how good that stands but beating someone at their main race is pretty funny :D
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On July 05 2012 19:28 Xpace wrote:Nestea's was better  Also, only Zergs get these?!? ><
Pretty sure I've seen one for MVP too. Idra got one when he died went back to the states. Next up, MC or John?
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On July 05 2012 19:30 plasmidghost wrote:Wow, the highest-rated Youtube comment is >That feel when The True Dong won Code S Well, I'm glad /v/ and /vg/ are still keeping up with their DRG worship. It was first played when MMA won the Blizzard Cup really
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Hahaha, Ryung you would do something like this! 
I'm not even mad
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Is Ryung the next Zerg bonjwa?
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Anyone who is trying to make this 3rd game as an example of TvZ imbalance is silly. Ryung's SCVs did almost nothing, so Ryung could have just pushed without SCV, do some damage, then back off with nearly same results. Then, it would have been hardly an all-in. DRG might have practiced against this scenario with teammates as he made baneling nest when he saw no sign of marines coming. Without those several banelings, SCVs would have tanked so much damage. It might be more about DRG's good play rather than seeminly Ryung's suicidal play.
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On July 05 2012 19:31 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 19:30 LimitSEA wrote:On July 05 2012 19:29 Adreme wrote:On July 05 2012 19:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On July 05 2012 19:28 Xpace wrote:Nestea's was better  Also, only Zergs get these?!? >< MVP got one Ya but MVP allegedly has code A level zerg play so he should still count. Code A? Pshhht, he's beaten MKP with his zerg apparently. ;p Or so I've heard. Mvp's just an all around beast. The best time was watching MVP playing random on ladder and beating Inori in TvP, PvP, and ZvP almost back to back xD loool that is awesome
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Even without the baneling nest that just seems like a really iffy all-in. I just cant think of what ryung was thinking, maybe he missed something in his build order or something and thought he would have no chance.
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On July 05 2012 19:31 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 19:30 LimitSEA wrote:On July 05 2012 19:29 Adreme wrote:On July 05 2012 19:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On July 05 2012 19:28 Xpace wrote:Nestea's was better  Also, only Zergs get these?!? >< MVP got one Ya but MVP allegedly has code A level zerg play so he should still count. Code A? Pshhht, he's beaten MKP with his zerg apparently. ;p Or so I've heard. Mvp's just an all around beast. The best time was watching MVP playing random on ladder and beating Inori in TvP, PvP, and ZvP almost back to back xD Haha wow, poor Inori.
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On July 05 2012 19:33 Orek wrote: Anyone who is trying to make this 3rd game as an example of TvZ imbalance is silly. Ryung's SCVs did almost nothing, so Ryung could have just pushed without SCV, do some damage, then back off with nearly same results. Then, it would have been hardly an all-in. DRG might have practiced against this scenario with teammates as he made baneling nest when he saw no sign of marines coming. Without those several banelings, SCVs would have tanked so much damage. It might be more about DRG's good play rather than seeminly Ryung's suicidal play.
Ryung had to do shitloads of damage with that timing, even if he didn't pull scvs. It was effectively an all in.
Zergs drone so heavily with 6 queen openings nowadays an aggressive strategy you need to kill ~15-20 drones or be behind.
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Go go go Nestea crush Supernova 2-0 pls !
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On July 05 2012 19:31 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 19:30 plasmidghost wrote:On July 05 2012 19:28 HaXXspetten wrote:so sick track @DRG-tage + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YftLJBLie8o Wow, the highest-rated Youtube comment is >That feel when The True Dong won Code S Well, I'm glad /v/ and /vg/ are still keeping up with their DRG worship. It was first played when MMA won the Blizzard Cup really Oh, okay. I didn't watch the finals.
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