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PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
July 05 2012 10:31 GMT
#1421
On July 05 2012 19:28 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:26 tikipon wrote:
Don't really like game design encouraging players to go 6-8 queens, it's so silly...

But I made marines...

DOESN'T MATTER HAD QUEENS

But I pulled my SCVs...

DOESN'T MATTER HAD QUEENS

I made marauders too...

DOESN'T MATTER HAD QUEENS

etc etc

i just had queeeeeeens, and it felt so goooood.
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38156 Posts
July 05 2012 10:31 GMT
#1422
On July 05 2012 19:30 LimitSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:29 Adreme wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 Xpace wrote:
Nestea's was better

Also, only Zergs get these?!? ><


MVP got one


Ya but MVP allegedly has code A level zerg play so he should still count.

Code A? Pshhht, he's beaten MKP with his zerg apparently. ;p

Or so I've heard. Mvp's just an all around beast.


The best time was watching MVP playing random on ladder and beating Inori in TvP, PvP, and ZvP almost back to back xD
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 10:32:11
July 05 2012 10:31 GMT
#1423
On July 05 2012 19:27 Nekovivie wrote:
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On July 05 2012 19:26 Syfiass wrote:
I understand that you want to all-in if you're not good enough to win a macro game, but ryung really could have won this, i'm surprised.
But great defense by DRG, good transfuse micro :p .


You dont all-in because you think you're not good enough.

You all-in because you think you have the advantage in doing so.

Ryung took a chance and it didn't work, whats so hard to understand?

Agreed. Jesus christ I hate people who argue that people all in cause they think they're the worse player. That's true if you all in every single game, but give ryung 5-10 seconds longer and he'd have won that game. Hindsight bias and spectator view makes everyone think they're the shit and know better than a code S player. In fact, I'm glad ryung showed he had the balls to do a move like that. Shows that he actually has what it takes mentally to win the GSL from my perspective.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
July 05 2012 10:31 GMT
#1424
On July 05 2012 19:24 BuzZoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:22 vthree wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:15 BuzZoo wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:12 Notfragile wrote:
That's the kind of zerg-favoured map. That's what DRG meant by "terran can't win, if i play right"
No chance for Ryung... I really wonder what can be done in T early game differently

Edit: also DRG with insane macro and constant army movement AND creep spread on Ryung's door. Much harder to do than one thinks. 300 non redundant apm


I think they need to find new timings to harass the 6 queen build without going all-in. I think when queens got the range upgrade, terrans give them too much respect now. They are slightly better but their DPS vs ground is still fairly shitty. If the zerg can get 3 bases up and saturated completely uncontested they will just roll terran in the midgame.


No offense, I think terrans ARE trying to find a solution. But I don't buy this 'too much respect'. Remember these pro gamers play a lot of games per day and test many things out. I am sure they are trying multiple combinations to see which ones work. But right now, there just doesn't seem like there is a build where you can really pressure 6 queens without it being all-in ish. Also, remember that zerg's scouting was improved so they know when the pressure is coming and makes units accordingly.


Valid argument. The queens certainly held up pretty well in that game 3.

It's really the fact that to actually do any damage to a zerg with multiple queens, you pretty much have to completely overpower them, i.e go all in. There's no way to poke and prod at a zerg, due to a combination of the queen buff and zergs simply getting more comfortable against all the options terran has at the table.

I really feel like the fact that the queen now serves as an all-purpose early game unit (macro mechanic allowing drone production, creep spread allowing map control, bulky, respectable attack vs both air and ground, transfuse) is making zerg early game so simple and difficult to counter. The fact that such a simple unit pretty much does everything... it just feels wrong.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
July 05 2012 10:31 GMT
#1425
On July 05 2012 19:30 LimitSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:29 Adreme wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 Xpace wrote:
Nestea's was better

Also, only Zergs get these?!? ><


MVP got one


Ya but MVP allegedly has code A level zerg play so he should still count.

Code A? Pshhht, he's beaten MKP with his zerg apparently. ;p

Or so I've heard. Mvp's just an all around beast.

He also beat Inori in a PvP during his stream not sure how good that stands but beating someone at their main race is pretty funny :D
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 05 2012 10:31 GMT
#1426
"IT'S TIME!"
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
nanoscorp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1237 Posts
July 05 2012 10:31 GMT
#1427
On July 05 2012 19:28 Xpace wrote:
Nestea's was better

Also, only Zergs get these?!? ><


Pretty sure I've seen one for MVP too. Idra got one when he died went back to the states. Next up, MC or John?
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
July 05 2012 10:31 GMT
#1428
On July 05 2012 19:30 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:28 HaXXspetten wrote:
so sick track @DRG-tage

+ Show Spoiler +

Wow, the highest-rated Youtube comment is >That feel when The True Dong won Code S
Well, I'm glad /v/ and /vg/ are still keeping up with their DRG worship.

It was first played when MMA won the Blizzard Cup really
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?36976 Posts
July 05 2012 10:32 GMT
#1429
On July 05 2012 19:30 KiNGxXx wrote:
[image loading]

WHOOO! KINGXXX DOESN'T DISAPPOINT! EVER!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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b0rt_
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway931 Posts
July 05 2012 10:32 GMT
#1430
it's TIME
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 05 2012 10:32 GMT
#1431
Hahaha, Ryung you would do something like this!

I'm not even mad
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 05 2012 10:32 GMT
#1432
Come on Supernova
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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Aeceus
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1278 Posts
July 05 2012 10:33 GMT
#1433
Is Ryung the next Zerg bonjwa?
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
July 05 2012 10:33 GMT
#1434
Anyone who is trying to make this 3rd game as an example of TvZ imbalance is silly.
Ryung's SCVs did almost nothing, so Ryung could have just pushed without SCV, do some damage, then back off with nearly same results. Then, it would have been hardly an all-in.
DRG might have practiced against this scenario with teammates as he made baneling nest when he saw no sign of marines coming. Without those several banelings, SCVs would have tanked so much damage.
It might be more about DRG's good play rather than seeminly Ryung's suicidal play.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17623 Posts
July 05 2012 10:34 GMT
#1435
On July 05 2012 19:31 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:30 LimitSEA wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:29 Adreme wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 Xpace wrote:
Nestea's was better

Also, only Zergs get these?!? ><


MVP got one


Ya but MVP allegedly has code A level zerg play so he should still count.

Code A? Pshhht, he's beaten MKP with his zerg apparently. ;p

Or so I've heard. Mvp's just an all around beast.


The best time was watching MVP playing random on ladder and beating Inori in TvP, PvP, and ZvP almost back to back xD

loool that is awesome
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Quintum_
Profile Joined May 2011
United States669 Posts
July 05 2012 10:34 GMT
#1436
Even without the baneling nest that just seems like a really iffy all-in. I just cant think of what ryung was thinking, maybe he missed something in his build order or something and thought he would have no chance.
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 05 2012 10:35 GMT
#1437
On July 05 2012 19:31 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:30 LimitSEA wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:29 Adreme wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 Xpace wrote:
Nestea's was better

Also, only Zergs get these?!? ><


MVP got one


Ya but MVP allegedly has code A level zerg play so he should still count.

Code A? Pshhht, he's beaten MKP with his zerg apparently. ;p

Or so I've heard. Mvp's just an all around beast.


The best time was watching MVP playing random on ladder and beating Inori in TvP, PvP, and ZvP almost back to back xD

Haha wow, poor Inori.
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
July 05 2012 10:35 GMT
#1438
On July 05 2012 19:33 Orek wrote:
Anyone who is trying to make this 3rd game as an example of TvZ imbalance is silly.
Ryung's SCVs did almost nothing, so Ryung could have just pushed without SCV, do some damage, then back off with nearly same results. Then, it would have been hardly an all-in.
DRG might have practiced against this scenario with teammates as he made baneling nest when he saw no sign of marines coming. Without those several banelings, SCVs would have tanked so much damage.
It might be more about DRG's good play rather than seeminly Ryung's suicidal play.


Ryung had to do shitloads of damage with that timing, even if he didn't pull scvs. It was effectively an all in.

Zergs drone so heavily with 6 queen openings nowadays an aggressive strategy you need to kill ~15-20 drones or be behind.
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
July 05 2012 10:35 GMT
#1439
Go go go Nestea crush Supernova 2-0 pls !
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 05 2012 10:35 GMT
#1440
On July 05 2012 19:31 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:30 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 HaXXspetten wrote:
so sick track @DRG-tage

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YftLJBLie8o

Wow, the highest-rated Youtube comment is >That feel when The True Dong won Code S
Well, I'm glad /v/ and /vg/ are still keeping up with their DRG worship.

It was first played when MMA won the Blizzard Cup really

Oh, okay. I didn't watch the finals.
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
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