• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:47
CEST 08:47
KST 15:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202537Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder9EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced50BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins EWC 2025 The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 Classic: "It's a thick wall to break through to become world champ" Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup Weeklies and Monthlies Info Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Scmdraft 2 - 0.9.0 Preview BW General Discussion [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 645 users

[Code S] Ro16 Group D 2012 GSL Season 3 - Page 72

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 70 71 72 73 74 148 Next
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
July 05 2012 10:31 GMT
#1421
On July 05 2012 19:28 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:26 tikipon wrote:
Don't really like game design encouraging players to go 6-8 queens, it's so silly...

But I made marines...

DOESN'T MATTER HAD QUEENS

But I pulled my SCVs...

DOESN'T MATTER HAD QUEENS

I made marauders too...

DOESN'T MATTER HAD QUEENS

etc etc

i just had queeeeeeens, and it felt so goooood.
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
July 05 2012 10:31 GMT
#1422
On July 05 2012 19:30 LimitSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:29 Adreme wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 Xpace wrote:
Nestea's was better

Also, only Zergs get these?!? ><


MVP got one


Ya but MVP allegedly has code A level zerg play so he should still count.

Code A? Pshhht, he's beaten MKP with his zerg apparently. ;p

Or so I've heard. Mvp's just an all around beast.


The best time was watching MVP playing random on ladder and beating Inori in TvP, PvP, and ZvP almost back to back xD
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 10:32:11
July 05 2012 10:31 GMT
#1423
On July 05 2012 19:27 Nekovivie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:26 Syfiass wrote:
I understand that you want to all-in if you're not good enough to win a macro game, but ryung really could have won this, i'm surprised.
But great defense by DRG, good transfuse micro :p .


You dont all-in because you think you're not good enough.

You all-in because you think you have the advantage in doing so.

Ryung took a chance and it didn't work, whats so hard to understand?

Agreed. Jesus christ I hate people who argue that people all in cause they think they're the worse player. That's true if you all in every single game, but give ryung 5-10 seconds longer and he'd have won that game. Hindsight bias and spectator view makes everyone think they're the shit and know better than a code S player. In fact, I'm glad ryung showed he had the balls to do a move like that. Shows that he actually has what it takes mentally to win the GSL from my perspective.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
July 05 2012 10:31 GMT
#1424
On July 05 2012 19:24 BuzZoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:22 vthree wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:15 BuzZoo wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:12 Notfragile wrote:
That's the kind of zerg-favoured map. That's what DRG meant by "terran can't win, if i play right"
No chance for Ryung... I really wonder what can be done in T early game differently

Edit: also DRG with insane macro and constant army movement AND creep spread on Ryung's door. Much harder to do than one thinks. 300 non redundant apm


I think they need to find new timings to harass the 6 queen build without going all-in. I think when queens got the range upgrade, terrans give them too much respect now. They are slightly better but their DPS vs ground is still fairly shitty. If the zerg can get 3 bases up and saturated completely uncontested they will just roll terran in the midgame.


No offense, I think terrans ARE trying to find a solution. But I don't buy this 'too much respect'. Remember these pro gamers play a lot of games per day and test many things out. I am sure they are trying multiple combinations to see which ones work. But right now, there just doesn't seem like there is a build where you can really pressure 6 queens without it being all-in ish. Also, remember that zerg's scouting was improved so they know when the pressure is coming and makes units accordingly.


Valid argument. The queens certainly held up pretty well in that game 3.

It's really the fact that to actually do any damage to a zerg with multiple queens, you pretty much have to completely overpower them, i.e go all in. There's no way to poke and prod at a zerg, due to a combination of the queen buff and zergs simply getting more comfortable against all the options terran has at the table.

I really feel like the fact that the queen now serves as an all-purpose early game unit (macro mechanic allowing drone production, creep spread allowing map control, bulky, respectable attack vs both air and ground, transfuse) is making zerg early game so simple and difficult to counter. The fact that such a simple unit pretty much does everything... it just feels wrong.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
July 05 2012 10:31 GMT
#1425
On July 05 2012 19:30 LimitSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:29 Adreme wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 Xpace wrote:
Nestea's was better

Also, only Zergs get these?!? ><


MVP got one


Ya but MVP allegedly has code A level zerg play so he should still count.

Code A? Pshhht, he's beaten MKP with his zerg apparently. ;p

Or so I've heard. Mvp's just an all around beast.

He also beat Inori in a PvP during his stream not sure how good that stands but beating someone at their main race is pretty funny :D
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 05 2012 10:31 GMT
#1426
"IT'S TIME!"
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
nanoscorp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1237 Posts
July 05 2012 10:31 GMT
#1427
On July 05 2012 19:28 Xpace wrote:
Nestea's was better

Also, only Zergs get these?!? ><


Pretty sure I've seen one for MVP too. Idra got one when he died went back to the states. Next up, MC or John?
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
July 05 2012 10:31 GMT
#1428
On July 05 2012 19:30 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:28 HaXXspetten wrote:
so sick track @DRG-tage

+ Show Spoiler +

Wow, the highest-rated Youtube comment is >That feel when The True Dong won Code S
Well, I'm glad /v/ and /vg/ are still keeping up with their DRG worship.

It was first played when MMA won the Blizzard Cup really
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
July 05 2012 10:32 GMT
#1429
On July 05 2012 19:30 KiNGxXx wrote:
[image loading]

WHOOO! KINGXXX DOESN'T DISAPPOINT! EVER!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
b0rt_
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway931 Posts
July 05 2012 10:32 GMT
#1430
it's TIME
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 05 2012 10:32 GMT
#1431
Hahaha, Ryung you would do something like this!

I'm not even mad
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 05 2012 10:32 GMT
#1432
Come on Supernova
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Aeceus
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1278 Posts
July 05 2012 10:33 GMT
#1433
Is Ryung the next Zerg bonjwa?
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
July 05 2012 10:33 GMT
#1434
Anyone who is trying to make this 3rd game as an example of TvZ imbalance is silly.
Ryung's SCVs did almost nothing, so Ryung could have just pushed without SCV, do some damage, then back off with nearly same results. Then, it would have been hardly an all-in.
DRG might have practiced against this scenario with teammates as he made baneling nest when he saw no sign of marines coming. Without those several banelings, SCVs would have tanked so much damage.
It might be more about DRG's good play rather than seeminly Ryung's suicidal play.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
July 05 2012 10:34 GMT
#1435
On July 05 2012 19:31 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:30 LimitSEA wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:29 Adreme wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 Xpace wrote:
Nestea's was better

Also, only Zergs get these?!? ><


MVP got one


Ya but MVP allegedly has code A level zerg play so he should still count.

Code A? Pshhht, he's beaten MKP with his zerg apparently. ;p

Or so I've heard. Mvp's just an all around beast.


The best time was watching MVP playing random on ladder and beating Inori in TvP, PvP, and ZvP almost back to back xD

loool that is awesome
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Quintum_
Profile Joined May 2011
United States669 Posts
July 05 2012 10:34 GMT
#1436
Even without the baneling nest that just seems like a really iffy all-in. I just cant think of what ryung was thinking, maybe he missed something in his build order or something and thought he would have no chance.
♠ (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ♠ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ♠ (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ ♠
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 05 2012 10:35 GMT
#1437
On July 05 2012 19:31 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:30 LimitSEA wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:29 Adreme wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 Xpace wrote:
Nestea's was better

Also, only Zergs get these?!? ><


MVP got one


Ya but MVP allegedly has code A level zerg play so he should still count.

Code A? Pshhht, he's beaten MKP with his zerg apparently. ;p

Or so I've heard. Mvp's just an all around beast.


The best time was watching MVP playing random on ladder and beating Inori in TvP, PvP, and ZvP almost back to back xD

Haha wow, poor Inori.
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
July 05 2012 10:35 GMT
#1438
On July 05 2012 19:33 Orek wrote:
Anyone who is trying to make this 3rd game as an example of TvZ imbalance is silly.
Ryung's SCVs did almost nothing, so Ryung could have just pushed without SCV, do some damage, then back off with nearly same results. Then, it would have been hardly an all-in.
DRG might have practiced against this scenario with teammates as he made baneling nest when he saw no sign of marines coming. Without those several banelings, SCVs would have tanked so much damage.
It might be more about DRG's good play rather than seeminly Ryung's suicidal play.


Ryung had to do shitloads of damage with that timing, even if he didn't pull scvs. It was effectively an all in.

Zergs drone so heavily with 6 queen openings nowadays an aggressive strategy you need to kill ~15-20 drones or be behind.
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
July 05 2012 10:35 GMT
#1439
Go go go Nestea crush Supernova 2-0 pls !
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 05 2012 10:35 GMT
#1440
On July 05 2012 19:31 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 19:30 plasmidghost wrote:
On July 05 2012 19:28 HaXXspetten wrote:
so sick track @DRG-tage

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YftLJBLie8o

Wow, the highest-rated Youtube comment is >That feel when The True Dong won Code S
Well, I'm glad /v/ and /vg/ are still keeping up with their DRG worship.

It was first played when MMA won the Blizzard Cup really

Oh, okay. I didn't watch the finals.
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Prev 1 70 71 72 73 74 148 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 13m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft627
Nina 253
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 16682
ggaemo 1534
Barracks 1067
Hyun 593
Larva 221
JYJ204
Sacsri 83
firebathero 60
Noble 58
Sexy 55
[ Show more ]
Aegong 51
Dota 2
monkeys_forever658
NeuroSwarm138
League of Legends
JimRising 734
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1130
Super Smash Bros
Westballz1
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor178
Other Games
summit1g9888
Mew2King99
Livibee80
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Afreeca ASL 2559
UltimateBattle 184
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 93
• Sammyuel 18
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1435
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3h 13m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
7h 13m
Bonyth vs TBD
WardiTV European League
9h 13m
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
HeRoMaRinE vs MaxPax
Wardi Open
1d 4h
OSC
1d 17h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
HCC Europe
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CAC 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.