I think both played very well but beasty's 2base all-in was kind of awkward because of the 3rax1starport was so late but it looked quite good when he tried to attack but the immortal just melt that quite easily. And after that beasty had a hard time catching up to babyK's economy and armé. BabyK showed off some very good play there for sure.

MCDayC

United Kingdom14464 Posts

July 04 2012 23:09 GMT

#944

From what I could see in the Byun vs Genius game where the tanks were used, the updgrades don't matter toooo much, obviously they're good, but being sieged up is more important than anything. Byun was trading really well with 2-0 tanks vs 3-3 toss ball, but made 1 positional error and died, the same thing happened here.

blooblooblahblah

Australia4163 Posts

July 04 2012 23:09 GMT

#945

On July 05 2012 08:07 Lord_J wrote:
Seeing BabyKnight hold that push even with how badly he engaged, I'm curious how that build is supposed to work for Beasty. Another weird game.

BabyKnight didn't engage well but Beasty's position was even worse. Most of his bio was attacking the 3rd so BabyKnight got all those tanks pretty much for free.

ragnorr

Denmark6097 Posts

July 04 2012 23:09 GMT

#946

On July 05 2012 08:08 blacksheepwall wrote:
I keep seeing tanks in TvP and they keep almost being good and then getting crushed.

You just cant leave your tanks exposed to immortals like that. No matter what people feel about siege tanks, beasty fucked up majorly by allowing the protoss to just walk up to the tanks, no matter how terrible of a engagement he gets

JustPassingBy

10776 Posts

July 04 2012 23:09 GMT

#947

Come on beasty! TSL needs its first non-Korean terran qualificant! (Thorzain and Kas excluding)

IshinShishi

Japan6156 Posts

July 04 2012 23:10 GMT

#948

On July 05 2012 08:07 Lord_J wrote:
Seeing BabyKnight hold that push even with how badly he engaged, I'm curious how that build is supposed to work for Beasty. Another weird game.

He didn't have a stim at the time of the engagement, I think the build relies on your opponent scouting it and freaking out while you continue to power up, beasty only lost because of his mistimed stim, but he did freak out BabyK, who didn't really play well.

tree.hugger

Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts

July 04 2012 23:10 GMT

#949

On July 05 2012 08:09 blooblooblahblah wrote:

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BabyKnight didn't engage well but Beasty's position was even worse. Most of his bio was attacking the 3rd so BabyKnight got all those tanks pretty much for free.

Aside from the cliff, BK's engage wasn't actually bad at all. He hit the army from behind, engaged with storm and lots against the bio and immortals against the tanks. That's exactly as you would set it up as the protoss. Beasty wasn't prepared for BK to go fight immediately, and also wasn't prepared for his angle of attack.

Kilby

Finland1069 Posts

July 04 2012 23:11 GMT

#950

On July 05 2012 08:09 JustPassingBy wrote:
Come on beasty! TSL needs its first non-Korean terran qualificant! (Thorzain and Kas excluding)

Didn't Ret qualify as well?

SilSol

Sweden2744 Posts

July 04 2012 23:11 GMT

#951

cross position this map will def be a long macro game! I'm at least hoping for it with some good harassing and good follow-ups.

SilSol

Sweden2744 Posts

July 04 2012 23:11 GMT

#952

On July 05 2012 08:11 Kilby wrote:

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Didn't Ret qualify as well?

yes but he said "non korean terran" ret is zerg

blacksheepwall

China1530 Posts

July 04 2012 23:11 GMT

#953

On July 05 2012 08:09 ragnorr wrote:

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Yeah, Byun (I think?) had a lot more success with them earlier today in the GSL, but it's just so hard to never have your tanks out of position against Immortals and mass Chargelots. Also, if you mostly clean up your opponent's stuff the reinforcement Chargelots tend to crush face.

Kilby

Finland1069 Posts

July 04 2012 23:12 GMT

#954

On July 05 2012 08:11 SilSol wrote:

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yes but he said "non korean terran" ret is zerg

Oh yeah, that is true. Sorry.

Noocta

France12578 Posts

July 04 2012 23:12 GMT

#955

The more I watch and play the game, I feel like Terran is either a 1 base cheese or a fast 3 bases macro play.
Everything in between feel very weak, beside the standart 1 rax FE into 3rax medivacs in TvP I guess.