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On June 27 2012 21:19 Logros wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 21:17 Notfragile wrote:On June 27 2012 21:15 Logros wrote:On June 27 2012 21:14 Ghanburighan wrote:
Looks a bit like the Freaky - Bomber game from yesterday. If Terran is supposed to base-race a maxed Z, then T also needs an answer to energy-based units. Ghosts. Really. When will we finally start seing a few ghosts in response to infestors? Yeah you don't even need many. Usually the infestors are clumped up so 2-3 EMPs can clear out most of the energy. User was warned for this post
Why was he warned? He has a point? Most infestors are clumped up, if you have cloak you can EMP them usually, well yeah, they might get an overseer, but you can snipe those easily?
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On June 27 2012 21:16 LittLeD wrote:Give me a freaking break. In that last game, overall, viOlet was the better player. Perhpahs he had sloopy micro, but if that was the case then it was comprimised by having a better strategical plan and engagements.
Better strategical plan: let's make infestor broodlord when behind 40 supply and win herp derp
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On June 27 2012 21:18 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 21:17 Sea_Food wrote:On June 27 2012 21:15 Probe1 wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8GvbQ.jpg) Hi, still here. I have this awesome attack that infestors can't escape. When there are less than 33 of course I can actually cause serious trouble! It's important not to rush to me and have a good, layered game. I can also do all sorts of neat stuff like detect and harass. Oh, by the way Bomber, please don't purposefully clump me so my ten friends and I all die to one infestor!! That was really bad! And don't expect me to win the game on my own either! But with my friend Ghost to handle big numbers and my projectile seeker missile to snipe infestors (In one shot wowzer!) I can really help! PS Drazerk don't you dare turn your back on me. Fun fact, seeker missile has 6 range, fungal has 9+2 range. Also infestors are faster than seeker missiles on creep. Fun fact Terrans have EMP and zergs don't use overseers Also there should be no creep if you have a raven 
You can keep infestors way in back to be safe from emp, and still they can easily fungal before ravens get even close to 6 range of the zerg death ball.
Zergs dont use overseers atm cos they have nothing to detect. If they had something to detect they would.
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On June 27 2012 21:19 Logros wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 21:17 Notfragile wrote:On June 27 2012 21:15 Logros wrote:On June 27 2012 21:14 Ghanburighan wrote:
Looks a bit like the Freaky - Bomber game from yesterday. If Terran is supposed to base-race a maxed Z, then T also needs an answer to energy-based units. Ghosts. Really. When will we finally start seing a few ghosts in response to infestors? Yeah you don't even need many. Usually the infestors are clumped up so 2-3 EMPs can clear out most of the energy. User was warned for this post
You do know how bad EMP radius is against Infestors ? You don't hit more than 2 maybe 3 even when they clump. They're that fat.
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On June 27 2012 21:19 Murkury wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 21:18 Spiner wrote:On June 27 2012 21:16 Murkury wrote:On June 27 2012 21:14 sage_francis wrote:
once again better player looses MVP is consistantly better than Violet. However, if you are implying that Violet didn't outplay MVP that game then you're simply one of those baby balance whiners. You think the game is perfectly balanced? You think every loss is because of balance? I bet you whine every time a Terran loses. You're pathetic.
Way to assume man. And why so hostile?
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On June 27 2012 21:13 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 21:09 Nocteo wrote:On June 27 2012 21:07 Exarl25 wrote:On June 27 2012 21:06 darkness wrote:
3k gas... Terran desperately needs viable gas heavy units vs Z. Or they could just mine less gas Yea only toss and zerg can make gas heavy units which can single handily change the direction of a game. Yeah all the good Terran units cost hardly any gas, poor Terran. Anyway I'm just thinking practically, if you have no use for gas and need minerals then maybe just don't mine so much gas?
It has been explained before, so I'm just gonna repeat.
In very end game situation, when minerals get scarcer on the map, the main thing you can mine is gas. In those situation, Zerg and Protoss can rely on their ability to use gas, Terran cannot. It's the potential to use one resource fully that's not there for Terran. Of course you can decide to not mine gas, but you lose resources to mine to the other races. They can mine minerals and gas, you can't mine gas (not as much as them anyway), because you don't need it.
It would be fine if minerals were unlimited on the map, because you could argue that with mules, Terran can mine more minerals than Z or P, but in very end game high tech scenarios with few resources to mine from (like this game), it's not really the case, so you have to rely on gas (casters mostly).
I think we need to experiment more with mass ravens, but it requires a very costly infrastructure.
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Damn you people are crying so much its pathetic, first of all, makeing ravens can definatly be usefull against the BL comp and I asume everyone can agree that its better to spend your resources then stocking gas. And ravens are awsome at removing the creep we all hate.
And again, MVP fucked up the biggest engagement of the game.. He made 6 THORS to deal with BL, Corruptor and had them attacking lings 60-70% of the encounter and still MVP outplayed Violet? Stop the silly fanboyism and balancewhine and go play random for a month.
I wish that Random was the only choice until masterleague on ladder so we could be rid of all this stupid racial bias. every MU has so much balancewhine in whatever direction that particular game goes.
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On June 27 2012 21:21 summerloud wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 21:19 Logros wrote:On June 27 2012 21:17 Notfragile wrote:On June 27 2012 21:15 Logros wrote:On June 27 2012 21:14 Ghanburighan wrote:
Looks a bit like the Freaky - Bomber game from yesterday. If Terran is supposed to base-race a maxed Z, then T also needs an answer to energy-based units. Ghosts. Really. When will we finally start seing a few ghosts in response to infestors? Yeah you don't even need many. Usually the infestors are clumped up so 2-3 EMPs can clear out most of the energy. User was warned for this post huh? what was that warning for?
lol yeah wtf
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On June 27 2012 21:20 SKYFISH_ wrote:aaand here is the double gas before third roach-bane incoming 
or stephano roach 2x evo expand
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On June 27 2012 21:21 summerloud wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 21:19 Logros wrote:On June 27 2012 21:17 Notfragile wrote:On June 27 2012 21:15 Logros wrote:On June 27 2012 21:14 Ghanburighan wrote:
Looks a bit like the Freaky - Bomber game from yesterday. If Terran is supposed to base-race a maxed Z, then T also needs an answer to energy-based units. Ghosts. Really. When will we finally start seing a few ghosts in response to infestors? Yeah you don't even need many. Usually the infestors are clumped up so 2-3 EMPs can clear out most of the energy. User was warned for this post huh? what was that warning for?
tangential theorycraft
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I don't know how you guys can say that the first game between MVP and Violet was entertaining....Violet played so bad as other people said, he lost almost all workers at one base to one marauder, engaged in a choke with clumped up ultras against siege tanks. If anything this game just displayed that lategame zerg is ridiculous, and yet Blizzard have left it untouched for months/years.
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On June 27 2012 21:21 Giku wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 21:19 Logros wrote:On June 27 2012 21:17 Notfragile wrote:On June 27 2012 21:15 Logros wrote:On June 27 2012 21:14 Ghanburighan wrote:
Looks a bit like the Freaky - Bomber game from yesterday. If Terran is supposed to base-race a maxed Z, then T also needs an answer to energy-based units. Ghosts. Really. When will we finally start seing a few ghosts in response to infestors? Yeah you don't even need many. Usually the infestors are clumped up so 2-3 EMPs can clear out most of the energy. User was warned for this post Why was he warned? He has a point? Most infestors are clumped up, if you have cloak you can EMP them usually, well yeah, they might get an overseer, but you can snipe those easily? User was warned for this post
He had an idea to make TvZ better... Admins like Zerg I guess. :D
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On June 27 2012 21:21 Sea_Food wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 21:18 Drazerk wrote:On June 27 2012 21:17 Sea_Food wrote:On June 27 2012 21:15 Probe1 wrote:Hi, still here. I have this awesome attack that infestors can't escape. When there are less than 33 of course I can actually cause serious trouble! It's important not to rush to me and have a good, layered game. I can also do all sorts of neat stuff like detect and harass. Oh, by the way Bomber, please don't purposefully clump me so my ten friends and I all die to one infestor!! That was really bad! And don't expect me to win the game on my own either! But with my friend Ghost to handle big numbers and my projectile seeker missile to snipe infestors (In one shot wowzer!) I can really help! PS Drazerk don't you dare turn your back on me. Fun fact, seeker missile has 6 range, fungal has 9+2 range. Also infestors are faster than seeker missiles on creep. Fun fact Terrans have EMP and zergs don't use overseers Also there should be no creep if you have a raven You can keep infestors way in back to be safe from emp, and still they can easily fungal before ravens get even close to 6 range of the zerg death ball. Zergs dont use overseers atm cos they have nothing to detect. If they had something to detect they would.
But they are soooo good for harrasment 
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On June 27 2012 21:21 Za7oX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 21:20 SKYFISH_ wrote:aaand here is the double gas before third roach-bane incoming or stephano roach 2x evo expand
i stand corrected!
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On June 27 2012 21:21 Giku wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 21:19 Logros wrote:On June 27 2012 21:17 Notfragile wrote:On June 27 2012 21:15 Logros wrote:On June 27 2012 21:14 Ghanburighan wrote:
Looks a bit like the Freaky - Bomber game from yesterday. If Terran is supposed to base-race a maxed Z, then T also needs an answer to energy-based units. Ghosts. Really. When will we finally start seing a few ghosts in response to infestors? Yeah you don't even need many. Usually the infestors are clumped up so 2-3 EMPs can clear out most of the energy. User was warned for this post Why was he warned? He has a point? Most infestors are clumped up, if you have cloak you can EMP them usually, well yeah, they might get an overseer, but you can snipe those easily? User was warned for this post
once upon a time, you could snipe overseers alright, but with the snipe nerf, sniping anything that isn't psionic is a waste of energy.
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Where dat snitch at?37076 Posts
On June 27 2012 21:19 Logros wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 21:17 Notfragile wrote:On June 27 2012 21:15 Logros wrote:On June 27 2012 21:14 Ghanburighan wrote:
Looks a bit like the Freaky - Bomber game from yesterday. If Terran is supposed to base-race a maxed Z, then T also needs an answer to energy-based units. Ghosts. Really. When will we finally start seing a few ghosts in response to infestors? Yeah you don't even need many. Usually the infestors are clumped up so 2-3 EMPs can clear out most of the energy. User was warned for this post
? Why was he warned for this?
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On June 27 2012 21:21 Giku wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 21:19 Logros wrote:On June 27 2012 21:17 Notfragile wrote:On June 27 2012 21:15 Logros wrote:On June 27 2012 21:14 Ghanburighan wrote:
Looks a bit like the Freaky - Bomber game from yesterday. If Terran is supposed to base-race a maxed Z, then T also needs an answer to energy-based units. Ghosts. Really. When will we finally start seing a few ghosts in response to infestors? Yeah you don't even need many. Usually the infestors are clumped up so 2-3 EMPs can clear out most of the energy. User was warned for this post Why was he warned? He has a point? Most infestors are clumped up, if you have cloak you can EMP them usually, well yeah, they might get an overseer, but you can snipe those easily? User was warned for this post
he was warned because at the top of the thread it says no theorycraft allowed in this LR
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