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On June 26 2012 21:25 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:24 SolidMustard wrote:On June 26 2012 21:23 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:23 SKYFISH_ wrote:On June 26 2012 21:22 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:20 Dosey wrote:On June 26 2012 21:18 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:18 habeck wrote:On June 26 2012 21:17 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:16 habeck wrote:
Thats why BLIZZ shouldnt NERFED ghost so hard ??? He never made a ghost, lol Well, im too tired to explain this to you I think you can't actually explain it at all. On June 26 2012 21:01 Dosey wrote:On June 26 2012 20:55 Megiddosc wrote:
Without ghosts Bomber is going to get raped.
Why do terrans not build ghosts? Because it's the Terran way. We complain about buffs while refusing to use our nerfed units. Explained. I was actually refering to the fact that he mentioned the ghost nerf in a game when zerg used mass infestors, when all that patch did vs infestor was making snipe 2shot infestors rather than 3shot. That's all that patch did vs infestors.So no, it was not explained. EMP AOE was nerfed ffs..... That was a patch long before the ghost snipe nerf. so what? The dude you originally quoted didn't specifically refer to the snipe nerf Not a single terran whined about TvZ when they nerfed EMP. Every terran whined about TvZ when snipe was nerfed. Snipe was buffed against infestors.
/facepalm...
We are talking are TvInfestors here, not TvBroodlords.
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well freaky is now choosing the correct response to mech but it's late so he can't just roll bomber over with drop roaches.
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On June 26 2012 21:22 nweb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:21 DJHelium wrote:On June 26 2012 21:11 DJHelium wrote:
Just started watching. How were the Jjakji vs Monster games, did JJ play godlike? Still wanna know!  He played solid as always, Monster played like crap
On June 26 2012 21:22 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:
monster rooled over and died not worth watching
On June 26 2012 21:22 Probe1 wrote:
Monster made some mistakes and played mediocre but Jjakji played great. I'd say 3/5 on the godlike scale, 9/10 on mere mortal scale.
Thank you!
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On June 26 2012 21:24 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:20 sinii wrote:On June 26 2012 21:18 rothsbury wrote:
People whining about wolf - that gg timing was really fucking late. Just delaying it for viewers, freaky and gom production team for no good reason. Yeah there's "never give in, never surrender" but come the fucking on. Not giving up could well have been psychological. In which case if Bomber feels it may give him an advantage in game 3 he's well within his rights to draw the game out as long as he likes. Basically he knows his reasons and he's completely right to do what he thinks will work for him. It's still bm if he's prolonging the game purely to get a psychological advantage. It's bm to try and through your opponent off guard by insulting him right? Well so it is to try and throw him off by refusing to give in when you've lost. It's fine to keep fighting if you think you have a chance but not gg'ing just to be a dickhead (essentially) is worse than leaving without gg'ing at all.
I disagree, there's a difference between verbal abuse and using the game mechanics to give yourself a psychological advantage.
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On June 26 2012 21:27 SolidMustard wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:25 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:24 SolidMustard wrote:On June 26 2012 21:23 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:23 SKYFISH_ wrote:On June 26 2012 21:22 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:20 Dosey wrote:On June 26 2012 21:18 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:18 habeck wrote:On June 26 2012 21:17 nkr wrote:
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??? He never made a ghost, lol Well, im too tired to explain this to you I think you can't actually explain it at all. On June 26 2012 21:01 Dosey wrote:On June 26 2012 20:55 Megiddosc wrote:
Without ghosts Bomber is going to get raped.
Why do terrans not build ghosts? Because it's the Terran way. We complain about buffs while refusing to use our nerfed units. Explained. I was actually refering to the fact that he mentioned the ghost nerf in a game when zerg used mass infestors, when all that patch did vs infestor was making snipe 2shot infestors rather than 3shot. That's all that patch did vs infestors.So no, it was not explained. EMP AOE was nerfed ffs..... That was a patch long before the ghost snipe nerf. so what? The dude you originally quoted didn't specifically refer to the snipe nerf Not a single terran whined about TvZ when they nerfed EMP. Every terran whined about TvZ when snipe was nerfed. Snipe was buffed against infestors. /facepalm... We are talking are TvInfestors here, not TvBroodlords.
/facepalm
Ghosts were buffed against infestors in the recent patch.
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Freaky definitely flustered, no creep spread even to his 3rd.
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On June 26 2012 21:26 Seiniyta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:23 Xpace wrote:On June 26 2012 21:21 Seiniyta wrote:
Well, kind of understandable that Wolf got frustrated so much is because Bomber knew he was out. 18 supply against 130 supply, guess what'll win? Bomber knew Freaky had a mining base and Bomber hadn't. It's the last game of the day and the casters are tired. And what about Khaldor? He just returned from Europe, didn't he? He may or may not even have jet lag. I didn't hear Khaldor bitching. "This is over. This is GG." No, actually, it's GG when the player types GG, not when you say it's GG. It was over, the chance that Bomber could turn this around was just impossible at the point. And Tastetosis also calls games over before the player types gg. Khaldor wasn't as annoyed because I'm not sure he's even human. Jetlag doesn't affect him, commentating SC2 all day long, not a hitch. He's supernatural.
15 hour dreamhack casting day... "i'm sad that i can't cast more games". He's the casting terminator.
Someone please create a cross-over picture of the hitman with the damaged red terminator eye...
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On June 26 2012 21:25 Toadvine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:20 rothsbury wrote:On June 26 2012 21:17 Toadvine wrote:
Honestly though, Infestors are a pretty stupid unit. Massing spellcasters should never be viable, much less as good as mass Infestor is. It's not good against correct response. Have you seen MKP's (demuslim has done this also) mass bio + medivac against infestor ling? The medivacs out-heal the fungal growth and it's really effective. The zerg then needs to include speed banelings (which cuts into infestors, so it's no longer mass infestor) and then the terran has to split well. It's not "herp derp mass infestor -> win" unless the terran plays badly. I'm not saying mass Infestors is optimal, and don't really care about how Zerg matchups play out specifically. Caster units should just never be as versatile and self-sufficient as Infestors, they're supposed to support an army. This is the main reason Ghosts were nerfed, they were too versatile and too good when massed. I really do hope that HotS sees some Infestors nerfs, since they're a really dumb unit right now.
Ghosts were nerfed because they were legitimately imbalanced against 3rd tier zerg (though the patch was stupid for this since it nerfed snipe against non-massive). What does it mean for a massed unit to be viable? Does the opponent have to not respond correctly?
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On June 26 2012 21:26 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:26 ZenithM wrote:On June 26 2012 21:22 Daray wrote:On June 26 2012 21:20 habeck wrote:On June 26 2012 21:18 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:18 habeck wrote:On June 26 2012 21:17 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:16 habeck wrote:
Thats why BLIZZ shouldnt NERFED ghost so hard ??? He never made a ghost, lol Well, im too tired to explain this to you I think you can't actually explain it at all. Why cant I? Why were everybody telling bomber to make ghosts? But he didnt, as he know, that they aren't as good as they used to be. In old times, Terran could mass Ghosts and win, just like Zerg did now with infestors. I wish ghosts werent that useless as they are now in TvZ Dude, what did they change that Ghosts became useless against Infestor only? i3owkri3uj2453456425325832589325 That's the point though. Infestors are good against everything. Ghosts are only good against Infestors. You don't want mass ghosts, but you need mass ghosts to take on that many infestors. You don't want to execute a strategy that only mildly counters what your opponent is doing without any way of getting back at him if it succeeds and take an offensive stance. And what zerg army is good without infestors? Which means you can have ghosts in any terran army.
If you waste too much supply in Ghost the Terran army becomes terrible in direct combat .
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Why bomber no make ghost? I play plat league ghost kill festor"!!!!He make ghost zerg no do anything with 40 festor and emp bam, GG!, ghost good vs everything zerg has like festor too!, kill ling broodbrord and ultralisku.
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On June 26 2012 21:24 dabom88 wrote:
Bomber... why are you using such weird builds?
At least Bomber is trying new things. TvZ is devolving into MMM just like TvP, and I'm hoping someone like Bomber can set a new standard.
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Rofl bomber sieges up when he sees the roach drop coming.  Bomber you have to consolidate the thors and remain unsieged
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On June 26 2012 21:28 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:27 SolidMustard wrote:On June 26 2012 21:25 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:24 SolidMustard wrote:On June 26 2012 21:23 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:23 SKYFISH_ wrote:On June 26 2012 21:22 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:20 Dosey wrote:On June 26 2012 21:18 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:18 habeck wrote:
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Well, im too tired to explain this to you I think you can't actually explain it at all. On June 26 2012 21:01 Dosey wrote:On June 26 2012 20:55 Megiddosc wrote:
Without ghosts Bomber is going to get raped.
Why do terrans not build ghosts? Because it's the Terran way. We complain about buffs while refusing to use our nerfed units. Explained. I was actually refering to the fact that he mentioned the ghost nerf in a game when zerg used mass infestors, when all that patch did vs infestor was making snipe 2shot infestors rather than 3shot. That's all that patch did vs infestors.So no, it was not explained. EMP AOE was nerfed ffs..... That was a patch long before the ghost snipe nerf. so what? The dude you originally quoted didn't specifically refer to the snipe nerf Not a single terran whined about TvZ when they nerfed EMP. Every terran whined about TvZ when snipe was nerfed. Snipe was buffed against infestors. /facepalm... We are talking are TvInfestors here, not TvBroodlords. /facepalm Ghosts were buffed against infestors in the recent patch.
They always 2 shotted Infestors with Snipe, the patch did nothing lol.
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On June 26 2012 21:28 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:27 SolidMustard wrote:On June 26 2012 21:25 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:24 SolidMustard wrote:On June 26 2012 21:23 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:23 SKYFISH_ wrote:On June 26 2012 21:22 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:20 Dosey wrote:On June 26 2012 21:18 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:18 habeck wrote:
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Well, im too tired to explain this to you I think you can't actually explain it at all. On June 26 2012 21:01 Dosey wrote:On June 26 2012 20:55 Megiddosc wrote:
Without ghosts Bomber is going to get raped.
Why do terrans not build ghosts? Because it's the Terran way. We complain about buffs while refusing to use our nerfed units. Explained. I was actually refering to the fact that he mentioned the ghost nerf in a game when zerg used mass infestors, when all that patch did vs infestor was making snipe 2shot infestors rather than 3shot. That's all that patch did vs infestors.So no, it was not explained. EMP AOE was nerfed ffs..... That was a patch long before the ghost snipe nerf. so what? The dude you originally quoted didn't specifically refer to the snipe nerf Not a single terran whined about TvZ when they nerfed EMP. Every terran whined about TvZ when snipe was nerfed. Snipe was buffed against infestors. /facepalm... We are talking are TvInfestors here, not TvBroodlords. /facepalm Ghosts were buffed against infestors in the recent patch.
Then again, that's why he was referring to the previous nerf... but I don't give a shit, I don't even know why I answered to you in the first place
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*Full ZeNEXLine mode enabled*
Edit: Before I get called out, I know that roach drop is a good response to mech and that Line did a roach drop even against bio when it does not make sense.
But never forget Line, the man who could talk to roaches.
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I hate how the counter to Mech is the roach, the most boring zerg unit in the game.
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Tbh I thought that wasn't a very good attack. Casters getting excited but I'd say Bomber defended it fine.
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On June 26 2012 21:29 KonohaFlash wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:28 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:27 SolidMustard wrote:On June 26 2012 21:25 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:24 SolidMustard wrote:On June 26 2012 21:23 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:23 SKYFISH_ wrote:On June 26 2012 21:22 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:20 Dosey wrote:On June 26 2012 21:18 nkr wrote:
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I think you can't actually explain it at all. On June 26 2012 21:01 Dosey wrote:
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Because it's the Terran way.
We complain about buffs while refusing to use our nerfed units. Explained. I was actually refering to the fact that he mentioned the ghost nerf in a game when zerg used mass infestors, when all that patch did vs infestor was making snipe 2shot infestors rather than 3shot. That's all that patch did vs infestors.So no, it was not explained. EMP AOE was nerfed ffs..... That was a patch long before the ghost snipe nerf. so what? The dude you originally quoted didn't specifically refer to the snipe nerf Not a single terran whined about TvZ when they nerfed EMP. Every terran whined about TvZ when snipe was nerfed. Snipe was buffed against infestors. /facepalm... We are talking are TvInfestors here, not TvBroodlords. /facepalm Ghosts were buffed against infestors in the recent patch. They always 2 shotted Infestors with Snipe, the patch did nothing lol.
Actually with even 0.1s between the shots, the infestors survived with 1hp due to Zerg regeneration... this is no longer true.
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On June 26 2012 21:28 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 21:26 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:26 ZenithM wrote:On June 26 2012 21:22 Daray wrote:On June 26 2012 21:20 habeck wrote:On June 26 2012 21:18 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:18 habeck wrote:On June 26 2012 21:17 nkr wrote:On June 26 2012 21:16 habeck wrote:
Thats why BLIZZ shouldnt NERFED ghost so hard ??? He never made a ghost, lol Well, im too tired to explain this to you I think you can't actually explain it at all. Why cant I? Why were everybody telling bomber to make ghosts? But he didnt, as he know, that they aren't as good as they used to be. In old times, Terran could mass Ghosts and win, just like Zerg did now with infestors. I wish ghosts werent that useless as they are now in TvZ Dude, what did they change that Ghosts became useless against Infestor only? i3owkri3uj2453456425325832589325 That's the point though. Infestors are good against everything. Ghosts are only good against Infestors. You don't want mass ghosts, but you need mass ghosts to take on that many infestors. You don't want to execute a strategy that only mildly counters what your opponent is doing without any way of getting back at him if it succeeds and take an offensive stance. And what zerg army is good without infestors? Which means you can have ghosts in any terran army. If you waste too much supply in Ghost the Terran army becomes terrible in direct combat .
The zerg army is terrible in direct combat when you disable infestors.
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Wow, these casters dont know what they are talking bout.
Bomber won the game pretty much 6min ago.
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