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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44368 Posts
On June 22 2012 22:12 Killcani wrote: Kinda sad terrans are so underpowered that slayers the terran team decide to not use their terran players lol They only feel worried vs. Zerg  | ||
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NexCa
Germany954 Posts
On June 22 2012 22:12 Killcani wrote: Kinda sad terrans are so underpowered that slayers the terran team decide to not use their terran players lol It's just that Zerg is hard dominating in the other matchups, Protoss can have a chance, but it's still really really hard. ZvT is broken, 75-80 % winrate for Zerg at the moment, 60 % against Protoss - no wonder that Sniper had a 3-0 strike and DRG finished puzzle easy | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
terran 3-12 zerg zerg 12-12 protoss terran 6-7 protoss 1 TvT 17 ZvZ 5 PvP lol | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On June 22 2012 22:34 Dexington wrote: You know something's wrong when even Slayers isn't using any Terrans. They also used 3 protoss, I guess protoss is imba? Seriously people balance whine way way too much... | ||
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LongBow
United States265 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
On June 22 2012 22:39 FairForever wrote: They also used 3 protoss, I guess protoss is imba? Seriously people balance whine way way too much... I don't think you've seen any of the GSTL results thus far. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On June 22 2012 23:05 LongBow wrote: No MMA? What are you doing Slayers?! Gratz to DRG though, big ace match win. MMA is in training atm i would belief, to catch up. And well Slayers not using terrans after a zerg buff, can have several reasons. But unimportant what the reason is they want to avoid TvZ. So i can't wait for Ryung facing a Zerg x3. | ||
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Sethronu
United Kingdom450 Posts
On June 22 2012 22:39 FairForever wrote: They also used 3 protoss, I guess protoss is imba? Seriously people balance whine way way too much... They don't have any Zergs except for Coca, so it's not like they have much of a choice. Whether it's due to metagame or balance reasons, it's pretty stupid trying to deny that Zerg is by far the most powerful race right now, and it's pretty damn stupid to call people 'balance whiners' over this. | ||
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HaXeR
Czech Republic189 Posts
On June 22 2012 23:05 LongBow wrote: No MMA? What are you doing Slayers?! Gratz to DRG though, big ace match win. It would be stupid in current state of balance pick terrans. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On June 22 2012 22:39 FairForever wrote: They also used 3 protoss, I guess protoss is imba? Seriously people balance whine way way too much... Yes, overpresenting is also an indication of imba. In GSTL, Terran present is only ~30% of the game, while Protoss is ~50,60% and Zerg is ~80% of the game. | ||
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polyphonyEX
United States2539 Posts
On June 22 2012 23:34 canikizu wrote: Yes, overpresenting is also an indication of imba. In GSTL, Terran present is only ~30% of the game, while Protoss is ~50,60% and Zerg is ~80% of the game. GSTL is zergy. Get over it. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On June 22 2012 23:34 canikizu wrote: Yes, overpresenting is also an indication of imba. In GSTL, Terran present is only ~30% of the game, while Protoss is ~50,60% and Zerg is ~80% of the game. You can always affect stats in any way you choose. If we look at GSL stats you could say that Zerg doesn't look imbalanced at all. The counterargument is "BUT LOOK HOW LEENOCK/OTHER ELIMINATED ZERGS PLAYED, IT WAS SHIT", but if you're using stats, you can't use qualitative measures to affect changes in those statistics. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On June 22 2012 23:12 Sethronu wrote: They don't have any Zergs except for Coca, so it's not like they have much of a choice. Whether it's due to metagame or balance reasons, it's pretty stupid trying to deny that Zerg is by far the most powerful race right now, and it's pretty damn stupid to call people 'balance whiners' over this. Except statistically then it doesn't mean anything. Slayers didn't play Terrans, therefore Zerg is imba... okay? Sure, Slayers played their top Zerg player, I don't see how that makes Zerg imba. Pre-patch they would've probably played CoCa too. I'm not saying whether or not Zerg is stronger than Terran (right now, the metagame definitely seems to favour Zerg), but that doesn't automatically suggest imbalance, just like the use of 1-1-1 didn't suggest imbalance previously. I do think Zerg is a bit stronger right now, but not nearly as much as most, and also think that the "statistics" people use are extremely misleading and misinformed. | ||
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Coolness53
United States668 Posts
At the end they picked Puzzle to play PvP. To make the come back with which seemed like a great choice. He even got to DRG. I don't think it wasn't them not picking there terran they just have Ryung and MMA training really hard for there games that are upcoming. MMA has been doing terrible so he probably wasn't really confidient with going with him. Also Alicia didn't play either which I found weird. | ||
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Theovide
Sweden914 Posts
On June 22 2012 23:58 FairForever wrote: Except statistically then it doesn't mean anything. Slayers didn't play Terrans, therefore Zerg is imba... okay? Sure, Slayers played their top Zerg player, I don't see how that makes Zerg imba. Pre-patch they would've probably played CoCa too. I'm not saying whether or not Zerg is stronger than Terran (right now, the metagame definitely seems to favour Zerg), but that doesn't automatically suggest imbalance, just like the use of 1-1-1 didn't suggest imbalance previously. I do think Zerg is a bit stronger right now, but not nearly as much as most, and also think that the "statistics" people use are extremely misleading and misinformed. How exactly is the statistics misleading or misinformed if it simply is statsistics? Also, when 1-1-1 was at it best it definitely suggested imbalance. Seemingly with your definitions imbalance cannot even exist. Anyway, more on topic, sad to see slayers lose. I hope they'll get far because I want to see ThorZaIN in the GSTL ^.^. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On June 23 2012 00:41 Theovide wrote: How exactly is the statistics misleading or misinformed if it simply is statsistics? Also, when 1-1-1 was at it best it definitely suggested imbalance. Seemingly with your definitions imbalance cannot even exist. Anyway, more on topic, sad to see slayers lose. I hope they'll get far because I want to see ThorZaIN in the GSTL ^.^. I do not think 1-1-1 was imbalanced, it may have been strong in the metagame at the time. While there were some minor protoss buffs to deal with 1-1-1, protoss typically adjusted through learning how to play a style that could more often than not stop 1-1-1 if scouted. The statistics are misleading because you are making huge assumptions. The fact that Slayers played 0 terrans does not automatically suggest that zerg is imbalanced. And yes, statistics are being abused. Because you chose one specific tournament that isn't necessarily indicative of race inequality as a whole. You didn't use Code S as a balance measurement, which I believe is more reliable. Imbalance can exist. It exists within data showing that with an exceptionally large sample size of games at the top level (> 300 - 400 GSL Code S games, maybe include GSTL), one race has a consistently higher win % than the other two. It cannot statistically be reflected by one tournament consisting solely of BO1s (which is what these are). Qualitatively I think Zerg has an advantage in the current metagame, but statistics do not show this. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
I'm so happy | ||
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Bashion
Cook Islands2612 Posts
On June 23 2012 01:26 FairForever wrote: I do not think 1-1-1 was imbalanced, it may have been strong in the metagame at the time. While there were some minor protoss buffs to deal with 1-1-1, protoss typically adjusted through learning how to play a style that could more often than not stop 1-1-1 if scouted. The statistics are misleading because you are making huge assumptions. The fact that Slayers played 0 terrans does not automatically suggest that zerg is imbalanced. And yes, statistics are being abused. Because you chose one specific tournament that isn't necessarily indicative of race inequality as a whole. You didn't use Code S as a balance measurement, which I believe is more reliable. Imbalance can exist. It exists within data showing that with an exceptionally large sample size of games at the top level (> 300 - 400 GSL Code S games, maybe include GSTL), one race has a consistently higher win % than the other two. It cannot statistically be reflected by one tournament consisting solely of BO1s (which is what these are). Qualitatively I think Zerg has an advantage in the current metagame, but statistics do not show this. Im sorry, but 1-1-1 was imba. Terran needed a 5secs rax nerf and protoss got the immortal buff. The fights werent even close. Even when a toss cleared the tanks, for example, banshees or marines killed everything. It had like 90% win ratio. | ||
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