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Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
June 18 2012 21:54 GMT
#5701
On June 19 2012 06:54 Complete wrote:
bo5?


Yes.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
June 18 2012 21:54 GMT
#5702
On June 19 2012 06:53 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:51 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:48 Fragile51 wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:47 Sp00ly wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:46 Klipsys wrote:
SC2 fans get mad when BW fans shit on SC2.
So they SC2 Fans shit on DOTA2 Fans, who then shit on LoL fans.



Who do the LoL fans shit on?


Quake live.

no one shits on quake live, quake live is an insanely tough and competitive game, second most skilled esport behind BW

^ This. Seriously though, watching QL first person blows my mind, anyone who says otherwise is just...


I'm only interested in two e-sports titles, SC:BW/SC2 and Quake Live. I dgaf about anything else. And i'm very sad that two of those are either dying or are pretty dead already :/
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
June 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#5703
On June 19 2012 06:54 Complete wrote:
bo5?


Yes
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 21:55:27
June 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#5704
On June 19 2012 06:54 Linwelin wrote:
I wanna watch more Dota 2! Any specific website I should browse orrr?

www.dotacommentaries.com is my favorite. my fav caster is http://www.youtube.com/user/LuminousInverse/videos

also check out gosugamers.net and joindota.com for dota related news etc
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
Sp00ly
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1546 Posts
June 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#5705
On June 19 2012 06:52 Destructicon wrote:
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On June 19 2012 06:48 Asha` wrote:
Not sure whether to bother staying up for the sc2 finals or not, both players are prone to being pretty boring.

Maybe the first game and see how it goes.


Seriously, show some respect towards the players at least and don't post crap like that. Both Dimaga and Mana have been around for a long time, and both are great players in their own right, Mana is now taking his play to the next level since he has finished school and Dimaga is a solid and innovative player. And if they are in the final they have fought trough their fair share of Koreans and other top pros and well deserve to be there.


Anyone that says Dimaga is boring didn't watch his games clearly. Ling/bling drops is waaayy less boring than roach/infestor.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 21:56:35
June 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#5706
On June 19 2012 06:52 [17]Purple wrote:
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On June 19 2012 06:52 Hassybaby wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:50 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:48 morlakaix wrote:
I don't understand how hardcore SC fans can bash dota.

I played dota for 6-7 years, and starcraft for 2-3 years.

Starcraft has way too many factors of luck, and sometimes you can lose a game PURELY based on luck because you scouted an all-in last, or you went for a macro build and someone decided to all in you. One miscontrol in SC2 can cause you to lose the game.

In dota, there isn't really a lot of luck. Winning has to do with teamwork and decision making, except the decision making is much harder because there are 4 others around you.

Even Pro starcraft players have said SC has too much of a luck factor, I don't see how the fans can't recognize that.


Ogre magi
CK
Mord
Sylla
Chen
Enchantress


All those heroes are pretty luck dependant and those are just the ones from the top of my head


Ok I sort of agree with the other 2, but those ones...what....


Chen's nuke is pretty random


I think it's more that creep spawns can make a big difference and a good streak or bad streak with them can have a big impact.

On June 19 2012 06:54 Linwelin wrote:
I wanna watch more Dota 2! Any specific website I should browse orrr?


http://www.joindota.com/en/start

news, match tickers, streams, etc
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#5707
On June 19 2012 06:53 Klonere wrote:
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On June 19 2012 06:53 Wunder wrote:
Damn those were some sick DOTA2 games, hopefully SC2 will be pretty hype too


Its ZvP so probably not T_T


so true . Only reason I am going to watch is to study dimaga's ling/bane style.
When I think of something else, something will go here
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45252 Posts
June 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#5708
On June 19 2012 06:53 Serinox wrote:


That's really cool
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#5709
On June 19 2012 06:52 Noocta wrote:
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On June 19 2012 06:49 StarStruck wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:46 Noocta wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:45 Gurgl wrote:
Dota 2 is great Esports if you understand the game. Sure it's hard to understand if you've never played but so is SC2.


SC2 is a bit easier to explain to people.
Even a lot easier.


No it isn't. I rather not dumb it down. It's actually very complex, so complex that even avid posters still say shit like, "OMG how did he win that?" or "What did I do wrong?"

Lots of guys don't understand the game well at all.


To explain to people who never saw it before.

SC2 is two guy playing against each other building an army, and trying to kill the other guy.
With only that in mind, someone can appreciate SC2.

Dota is so complex to get into, it's a lot harder for people.


Like I said when you dumb it down, but even then is obscenely complex.

The only thing you are pointing at is the fact dota and the rest are team games where in rts its usually 1v1. That doesn't make it any less complex.

The vast majority of the guys posting really don't understand the game at all. If you read what they write. There's a ton of whine and they simply don't get what's happening.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#5710
On June 19 2012 06:54 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:52 [17]Purple wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:52 Hassybaby wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:50 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:48 morlakaix wrote:
I don't understand how hardcore SC fans can bash dota.

I played dota for 6-7 years, and starcraft for 2-3 years.

Starcraft has way too many factors of luck, and sometimes you can lose a game PURELY based on luck because you scouted an all-in last, or you went for a macro build and someone decided to all in you. One miscontrol in SC2 can cause you to lose the game.

In dota, there isn't really a lot of luck. Winning has to do with teamwork and decision making, except the decision making is much harder because there are 4 others around you.

Even Pro starcraft players have said SC has too much of a luck factor, I don't see how the fans can't recognize that.


Ogre magi
CK
Mord
Sylla
Chen
Enchantress


All those heroes are pretty luck dependant and those are just the ones from the top of my head


Ok I sort of agree with the other 2, but those ones...what....


Chen's nuke is pretty random


Aww cmon, that's not anywhere near as important as the rest of his abilities in most cases.


I have you now!
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
June 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#5711
On June 19 2012 06:55 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:54 Linwelin wrote:
I wanna watch more Dota 2! Any specific website I should browse orrr?

www.dotacommentaries.com is my favorite. my fav caster is http://www.youtube.com/user/LuminousInverse/videos

also try dota-academy and Joindota
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
June 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#5712
On June 19 2012 06:55 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:54 Linwelin wrote:
I wanna watch more Dota 2! Any specific website I should browse orrr?

www.dotacommentaries.com is my favorite. my fav caster is http://www.youtube.com/user/LuminousInverse/videos

also check out gosugamers.net and joindota.com for dota related news etc


Thank you very much
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
June 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#5713
Please guys lets have some more "SC2 is easier to watch/Dota 2 is easier to watch/LoL is easier to watch" posts which have no supporting evidence ;p
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
June 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#5714
On June 19 2012 06:54 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:52 [17]Purple wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:52 Hassybaby wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:50 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:48 morlakaix wrote:
I don't understand how hardcore SC fans can bash dota.

I played dota for 6-7 years, and starcraft for 2-3 years.

Starcraft has way too many factors of luck, and sometimes you can lose a game PURELY based on luck because you scouted an all-in last, or you went for a macro build and someone decided to all in you. One miscontrol in SC2 can cause you to lose the game.

In dota, there isn't really a lot of luck. Winning has to do with teamwork and decision making, except the decision making is much harder because there are 4 others around you.

Even Pro starcraft players have said SC has too much of a luck factor, I don't see how the fans can't recognize that.


Ogre magi
CK
Mord
Sylla
Chen
Enchantress


All those heroes are pretty luck dependant and those are just the ones from the top of my head


Ok I sort of agree with the other 2, but those ones...what....


Chen's nuke is pretty random


Aww cmon, that's not anywhere near as important as the rest of his abilities in most cases.


Fine, but we all have to agree that Faceless Void has the most annoying RNG passive in the game...
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
June 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#5715
On June 19 2012 06:53 rotegirte wrote:
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On June 19 2012 06:50 maartendq wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:43 GreyKnight wrote:
It's always amusing to read the opposing games forums cry in bewilderment how the other game doesn't make sense and they are confused why anyone would watch it

Wouldn't call it bewilderment. SC2 is very clear. A red army fighting a blue army, and the army that gets obliterated, loses. Simple as that. MOBA games like LoL and DOTA2 have heroes attacking seemingly random stuff, critters that randomly walk towards and attack towers. It's a lot less clear to non-insiders what's going on.

To be honest, I never played Brood War multiplayer, but it only took me a game or three on gomtv.net to have a general idea of what's going on, and by the 20th game I had a general grasp of the build orders the players were using.

I'd say that a lot depends on the casters as well.


Then go and watch 20 games of Dota? See, Dota is very clear. You kill the enemy base. In order to do that, you have to get past the enemy team. And the team that gets obliterated, loses.


This discussion is pointless. The best way to determine is really to put a few people who know nothing about either of the games and let them watch some commentated games of both games and then let them fill in how much they understood wtf was going on.
Pokemon Master
Chachal
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland15 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 21:56:09
June 18 2012 21:55 GMT
#5716
On June 19 2012 06:54 Linwelin wrote:
I wanna watch more Dota 2! Any specific website I should browse orrr?


www.joindota.com
Poilon
Profile Joined December 2010
France139 Posts
June 18 2012 21:56 GMT
#5717
Why no love for Super smash bros melee ? The best player in the world is Armada and he's swedish though
Des rats des rats
Shunjal
Profile Joined August 2010
United States482 Posts
June 18 2012 21:56 GMT
#5718
On June 19 2012 06:54 Linwelin wrote:
I wanna watch more Dota 2! Any specific website I should browse orrr?


JoinDota.com, pretty much anything with Tobi Wan, Sing Sing, or Blitz is fun to watch. Usually listed in the TL sidebar.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 21:58:21
June 18 2012 21:56 GMT
#5719
On June 19 2012 06:50 maartendq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:43 GreyKnight wrote:
It's always amusing to read the opposing games forums cry in bewilderment how the other game doesn't make sense and they are confused why anyone would watch it

Wouldn't call it bewilderment. SC2 is very clear. A red army fighting a blue army, and the army that gets obliterated, loses. Simple as that. MOBA games like LoL and DOTA2 have heroes attacking seemingly random stuff, critters that randomly walk towards and attack towers. It's a lot less clear to non-insiders what's going on.

To be honest, I never played Brood War multiplayer, but it only took me a game or three on gomtv.net to have a general idea of what's going on, and by the 20th game I had a general grasp of the build orders the players were using.

I'd say that a lot depends on the casters as well.


The baseline conflict in SC 2 is obvious, but the baseline conflict is boring. Watching a Terran army clash with a Protoss army and the latter demolishing the former is exciting for the first few times, but without understanding the build orders, decisions, and maneuvering that resulted in that battle, it's just one blob rolling over another blob, which gets stale, fast.

The same applies to Dota. The baseline conflict is not that hard to understand - because it's exactly the same as SC 2. Two armies are fighting each other and the goal is to kill the other's base. There are respawning heroes on each side, and eventually one of those teams kill the other's base and wins. Simple, but that's not fun to watch - it's the intricacies that make the game a great viewing experience.
hyptonic
Profile Joined June 2011
2155 Posts
June 18 2012 21:56 GMT
#5720
On June 19 2012 06:52 Fishgle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:52 Hassybaby wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:50 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:48 morlakaix wrote:
I don't understand how hardcore SC fans can bash dota.

I played dota for 6-7 years, and starcraft for 2-3 years.

Starcraft has way too many factors of luck, and sometimes you can lose a game PURELY based on luck because you scouted an all-in last, or you went for a macro build and someone decided to all in you. One miscontrol in SC2 can cause you to lose the game.

In dota, there isn't really a lot of luck. Winning has to do with teamwork and decision making, except the decision making is much harder because there are 4 others around you.

Even Pro starcraft players have said SC has too much of a luck factor, I don't see how the fans can't recognize that.


Ogre magi
CK
Mord
Sylla
Chen
Enchantress


All those heroes are pretty luck dependant and those are just the ones from the top of my head


Ok I sort of agree with the other 2, but those ones...what....

Jungle spawns are random. You can never depend on a Centaur at 0:30, you might get all Mud Golems and be completely fucked over early on.


what are you talking about? you can take a furbolg or a troll if you don't have a centaur
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