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Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 21:51:36
June 18 2012 21:51 GMT
#5661
On June 19 2012 06:50 NexUmbra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:48 Fragile51 wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:47 Sp00ly wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:46 Klipsys wrote:
SC2 fans get mad when BW fans shit on SC2.
So they SC2 Fans shit on DOTA2 Fans, who then shit on LoL fans.



Who do the LoL fans shit on?


Quake live.


Who do the Quake Live fans shit on?


Call of Duty.

EDIT: I can do this all day :p
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 18 2012 21:51 GMT
#5662
On June 19 2012 06:50 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:48 morlakaix wrote:
I don't understand how hardcore SC fans can bash dota.

I played dota for 6-7 years, and starcraft for 2-3 years.

Starcraft has way too many factors of luck, and sometimes you can lose a game PURELY based on luck because you scouted an all-in last, or you went for a macro build and someone decided to all in you. One miscontrol in SC2 can cause you to lose the game.

In dota, there isn't really a lot of luck. Winning has to do with teamwork and decision making, except the decision making is much harder because there are 4 others around you.

Even Pro starcraft players have said SC has too much of a luck factor, I don't see how the fans can't recognize that.


Ogre magi
CK
Mord
Sylla
Chen
Enchantress

All those heroes are pretty luck dependant and those are just the ones from the top of my head

http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Pseudo-random_distribution
lalala
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
June 18 2012 21:51 GMT
#5663
On June 19 2012 06:50 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:49 mememolly wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:48 TheSir wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:45 Gurgl wrote:
Dota 2 is great Esports if you understand the game. Sure it's hard to understand if you've never played but so is SC2.


SC2 is 10 times easier to watch.


any objective evidence to support that?

Common sense.

um... no
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
June 18 2012 21:51 GMT
#5664
On June 19 2012 06:50 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:48 morlakaix wrote:
I don't understand how hardcore SC fans can bash dota.

I played dota for 6-7 years, and starcraft for 2-3 years.

Starcraft has way too many factors of luck, and sometimes you can lose a game PURELY based on luck because you scouted an all-in last, or you went for a macro build and someone decided to all in you. One miscontrol in SC2 can cause you to lose the game.

In dota, there isn't really a lot of luck. Winning has to do with teamwork and decision making, except the decision making is much harder because there are 4 others around you.

Even Pro starcraft players have said SC has too much of a luck factor, I don't see how the fans can't recognize that.


Ogre magi
CK
Mord
Sylla
Chen
Enchantress

All those heroes are pretty luck dependant and those are just the ones from the top of my head


I think what he was saying is that there is less luck in dota2 because of the amount of teamwork required to be successful
Hudson Valley Progamer
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
June 18 2012 21:51 GMT
#5665
On June 19 2012 06:48 Linwelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:47 Sp00ly wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:46 Klipsys wrote:
SC2 fans get mad when BW fans shit on SC2.
So they SC2 Fans shit on DOTA2 Fans, who then shit on LoL fans.



Who do the LoL fans shit on?


HoN?

nope HoN shits on LoL too. i think LolL players shit on themselves or WoW
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
June 18 2012 21:52 GMT
#5666
On June 19 2012 06:50 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:48 morlakaix wrote:
I don't understand how hardcore SC fans can bash dota.

I played dota for 6-7 years, and starcraft for 2-3 years.

Starcraft has way too many factors of luck, and sometimes you can lose a game PURELY based on luck because you scouted an all-in last, or you went for a macro build and someone decided to all in you. One miscontrol in SC2 can cause you to lose the game.

In dota, there isn't really a lot of luck. Winning has to do with teamwork and decision making, except the decision making is much harder because there are 4 others around you.

Even Pro starcraft players have said SC has too much of a luck factor, I don't see how the fans can't recognize that.


Ogre magi
CK
Mord
Sylla
Chen
Enchantress


All those heroes are pretty luck dependant and those are just the ones from the top of my head


Ok I sort of agree with the other 2, but those ones...what....
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
Sp00ly
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1546 Posts
June 18 2012 21:52 GMT
#5667
On June 19 2012 06:50 Asymmetric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:47 Sp00ly wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:46 Klipsys wrote:
SC2 fans get mad when BW fans shit on SC2.
So they SC2 Fans shit on DOTA2 Fans, who then shit on LoL fans.



Who do the LoL fans shit on?




For some reason, this reminded me of this scene in blackadder.


Hahaha I love blackadder.

"LoL is last in Gods great chain" :D
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
June 18 2012 21:52 GMT
#5668
On June 19 2012 06:49 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:46 Noocta wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:45 Gurgl wrote:
Dota 2 is great Esports if you understand the game. Sure it's hard to understand if you've never played but so is SC2.


SC2 is a bit easier to explain to people.
Even a lot easier.


No it isn't. I rather not dumb it down. It's actually very complex, so complex that even avid posters still say shit like, "OMG how did he win that?" or "What did I do wrong?"

Lots of guys don't understand the game well at all.


To explain to people who never saw it before.

SC2 is two guy playing against each other building an army, and trying to kill the other guy.
With only that in mind, someone can appreciate SC2.

Dota is so complex to get into, it's a lot harder for people.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
NGrNecris
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand855 Posts
June 18 2012 21:52 GMT
#5669
On June 19 2012 06:50 Shunjal wrote:
As both a SC2 and Dota player and viewer, I'm beginning to shift in enjoyment from SC to DOTA.

Starcraft has become a bit stale with the Korean dominance and balance issues, although I really like seeing a non-Korean win a tournament as big as Dreamhack!

GO DIMAGA!

This happened to me a few months ago too
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
June 18 2012 21:52 GMT
#5670
On June 19 2012 06:52 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:50 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:48 morlakaix wrote:
I don't understand how hardcore SC fans can bash dota.

I played dota for 6-7 years, and starcraft for 2-3 years.

Starcraft has way too many factors of luck, and sometimes you can lose a game PURELY based on luck because you scouted an all-in last, or you went for a macro build and someone decided to all in you. One miscontrol in SC2 can cause you to lose the game.

In dota, there isn't really a lot of luck. Winning has to do with teamwork and decision making, except the decision making is much harder because there are 4 others around you.

Even Pro starcraft players have said SC has too much of a luck factor, I don't see how the fans can't recognize that.


Ogre magi
CK
Mord
Sylla
Chen
Enchantress


All those heroes are pretty luck dependant and those are just the ones from the top of my head


Ok I sort of agree with the other 2, but those ones...what....


Chen's nuke is pretty random
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
gh0un
Profile Joined March 2011
601 Posts
June 18 2012 21:52 GMT
#5671
On June 19 2012 06:37 illu23 wrote:
Ok for the noobs:

How do you tell who's winning?
Or at least how do you know when finally someone at least starts to be winning?

Also, how do you win?


Generally speaking, you can look at the gold farmed/exp farmed tab and tell from there which team has an advantage during any given point of time.
Mtw was ahead in farm and kills the whole game, and didnt make a big mistake, so they just drove it home safely.

You win by killing the opponents Tree/Throne, which is located inside the enemy base.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
June 18 2012 21:52 GMT
#5672
On June 19 2012 06:47 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:45 Seiniyta wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:44 Tayar wrote:
i would like DOTA2 better if
A. I understood what was going on
B. It wasn't so fucking ugly - seriously, that's a NEW game?


I think it might be the stream, Dota 2 actually looks really slick when you play it. I really like the artstyle.

It's stylished cartoon graphics, just like Warcraft. It's a style, deal with it.

I mean, if you're watching an Anime you're not complaining about the old-fashioned graphics, right? It's supposed to look like that.

LoL graphics are more distinguishable its easier to spectate, dota 2 is kinda to dark.
Stork[gm]
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
June 18 2012 21:52 GMT
#5673
On June 19 2012 06:48 Asha` wrote:
Not sure whether to bother staying up for the sc2 finals or not, both players are prone to being pretty boring.

Maybe the first game and see how it goes.


Seriously, show some respect towards the players at least and don't post crap like that. Both Dimaga and Mana have been around for a long time, and both are great players in their own right, Mana is now taking his play to the next level since he has finished school and Dimaga is a solid and innovative player. And if they are in the final they have fought trough their fair share of Koreans and other top pros and well deserve to be there.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
zawk9
Profile Joined March 2011
United States427 Posts
June 18 2012 21:52 GMT
#5674
On June 19 2012 06:45 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:41 polyphonyEX wrote:
Saying 'rape' on stream in front of a live audience 60k viewers. Shows you how mature the Dota community is compared to Starcraft II.


Hahaha I hope you don't actually believe this community is mature or a model of how other communities should act.


I'll be emailing your sponsors if you don't tone down the SC2 community hate!
there's a bug in the new patch where the other player keeps killing all my dudes.. please nerf this
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 21:53:02
June 18 2012 21:52 GMT
#5675
On June 19 2012 06:52 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:50 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:48 morlakaix wrote:
I don't understand how hardcore SC fans can bash dota.

I played dota for 6-7 years, and starcraft for 2-3 years.

Starcraft has way too many factors of luck, and sometimes you can lose a game PURELY based on luck because you scouted an all-in last, or you went for a macro build and someone decided to all in you. One miscontrol in SC2 can cause you to lose the game.

In dota, there isn't really a lot of luck. Winning has to do with teamwork and decision making, except the decision making is much harder because there are 4 others around you.

Even Pro starcraft players have said SC has too much of a luck factor, I don't see how the fans can't recognize that.


Ogre magi
CK
Mord
Sylla
Chen
Enchantress


All those heroes are pretty luck dependant and those are just the ones from the top of my head


Ok I sort of agree with the other 2, but those ones...what....

dependant on creep spawns, some are more usefull then others.
WriterXiao8~~
Viktorin
Profile Joined June 2012
Switzerland59 Posts
June 18 2012 21:52 GMT
#5676
On June 19 2012 06:49 LeLfe wrote:
god I hate MOBA... I just find them messy and boring, alright time for some SC2


One needs to play it in order to enjoy watching it. What bothers me the most about mobas is that you know kinda early who is going to win the match. The games drag on way too long.
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
June 18 2012 21:52 GMT
#5677
On June 19 2012 06:52 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:50 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:48 morlakaix wrote:
I don't understand how hardcore SC fans can bash dota.

I played dota for 6-7 years, and starcraft for 2-3 years.

Starcraft has way too many factors of luck, and sometimes you can lose a game PURELY based on luck because you scouted an all-in last, or you went for a macro build and someone decided to all in you. One miscontrol in SC2 can cause you to lose the game.

In dota, there isn't really a lot of luck. Winning has to do with teamwork and decision making, except the decision making is much harder because there are 4 others around you.

Even Pro starcraft players have said SC has too much of a luck factor, I don't see how the fans can't recognize that.


Ogre magi
CK
Mord
Sylla
Chen
Enchantress


All those heroes are pretty luck dependant and those are just the ones from the top of my head


Ok I sort of agree with the other 2, but those ones...what....

Jungle spawns are random. You can never depend on a Centaur at 0:30, you might get all Mud Golems and be completely fucked over early on.
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
densha
Profile Joined December 2010
United States797 Posts
June 18 2012 21:53 GMT
#5678
On June 19 2012 06:49 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:46 Noocta wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:45 Gurgl wrote:
Dota 2 is great Esports if you understand the game. Sure it's hard to understand if you've never played but so is SC2.


SC2 is a bit easier to explain to people.
Even a lot easier.


No it isn't. I rather not dumb it down. It's actually very complex, so complex that even avid posters still say shit like, "OMG how did he win that?" or "What did I do wrong?"

Lots of guys don't understand the game well at all.


Well, SC2 is like "you build an economy, build an army, defend/attack, win/lose". Of course there are many complexities and subtleties, but it's very easy to understand the foundation of the game. You can describe it without ever really using in-game terms (economy/army/attack/defend etc).
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 21:53:48
June 18 2012 21:53 GMT
#5679
On June 19 2012 06:50 Chachal wrote:
:D

lol.. I'm ... not surprised :p
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
June 18 2012 21:53 GMT
#5680
On June 19 2012 06:51 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 06:48 Fragile51 wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:47 Sp00ly wrote:
On June 19 2012 06:46 Klipsys wrote:
SC2 fans get mad when BW fans shit on SC2.
So they SC2 Fans shit on DOTA2 Fans, who then shit on LoL fans.



Who do the LoL fans shit on?


Quake live.

no one shits on quake live, quake live is an insanely tough and competitive game, second most skilled esport behind BW

^ This. Seriously though, watching QL first person blows my mind, anyone who says otherwise is just...
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