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Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
June 17 2012 09:58 GMT
#581
On June 17 2012 18:55 Type|NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 18:51 Bergys wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:46 Type|NarutO wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:46 Bergys wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:41 Type|NarutO wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:39 Deathmanbob wrote:
On June 17 2012 18:38 Daray wrote:
Spectators should NEVER say anything that might impact the results of a game, even if the chances are like .0001%


terran should NEVER be allowed to force a draw like that. I get the whole race mechanic i just really hate when they win draw out a game they should lose because of it


In theory you could have 8 sentries and 1 pylon at a ramp and Terran with 200/200 bio but no mining/minerals could never beat you because of forcefields. Would that be imbalanced as well? Its not like Cyto did play a draw here because Terran buildings can fly, but because he failed to keep 3(?) hatcheries alive, with a superior army.... and mapcontrol.


I do think it would be bad mannered to keep force-fielding your ramp if your opponent had a 200/200 army. It's different though imo.


How is it bad mannered. Its a game-mechanic and if you can prevent losing, you do so. Perfectly valid


First of all, this scenario is extremely unlikely. This scenario where terran gets a auto-draw because their buildings can fly can, and has happened on several occasions. Also I wouldn't blame someone for forcing a draw in that scenario, but personally I think it's bad mannered because there's literally no way you can win except for abusing game mechanics in ways they we're not meant to, trying to force a draw. If f.ex. blizzard didn't add the auto-draw timer the player with the larger army could just alt-tab and wait until he couldn't be bothered force-fielding anymore.


As I have explained, as Terran myself I do know how to play against a superior army and without a ton of mapcontrol. Dragon nearly did a superb job or Cytoplasm a very bad one at keeping his income alive. All Cyto needed to do was save 1 hatch and his drones... he could have camped that base and savely win.

I'm pretty sure even cytoplasm knew Terran buildings can fly, so if you want to blame someone for having a draw, blame Cyto. He had 3 hatches left and all got killed... with an inferior army. He only had to make a muta before or as said, keep a hatch alive. So yeah... its not too easy to force a draw, as you have to make sure he has either no economy or no hatchery left.

I agree. Cytoplasm could have easily won the end game but he made mistakes and was punished. Nothing to complain about really.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
June 17 2012 09:59 GMT
#582
Justice!
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
June 17 2012 09:59 GMT
#583
looks like terrans need a buff or at least dragon because he hasn't cracked the code to beat zergs.
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mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
June 17 2012 09:59 GMT
#584
dragon has a good amount of gas banked at least
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
June 17 2012 09:59 GMT
#585
cytoplasm 4:0
bisu
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
June 17 2012 09:59 GMT
#586
oh god please let this end mercifully quickly and not drag out.
!LL
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria256 Posts
June 17 2012 09:59 GMT
#587
dragon 1500 gas oO
<(^-^<) (>^-^)>
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
June 17 2012 09:59 GMT
#588
Extending an invite to all to jump on the Morrow and Fade bandwagon.
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
June 17 2012 10:00 GMT
#589
needed tanks much faster dragon made too many marauders
savior did nothing wrong
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
June 17 2012 10:00 GMT
#590
Quick dragon your losing! Float your buildings to the corner of the map!
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
June 17 2012 10:00 GMT
#591
On June 17 2012 18:59 mememolly wrote:
dragon has a good amount of gas banked at least


yeah he is still building that bank too. great macro overall too
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
June 17 2012 10:00 GMT
#592
On June 17 2012 18:51 Irave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 18:49 DOUDOU wrote:
they better cast thorzain - lalush

No way, they have to cast Morrow vs Cyto and Dragon v Fade.

why would they do that? a ZvZ and a low level TvT?
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Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 10:01:13
June 17 2012 10:00 GMT
#593
On June 17 2012 18:59 archonOOid wrote:
looks like terrans need a buff or at least dragon because he hasn't cracked the code to beat zergs.


To be fair he executed the Marauder-Hellion pretty crappy. He was floating like 1.3k Minerals at one point.

Though I approve of buffing T.
detestrian
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland26 Posts
June 17 2012 10:00 GMT
#594
I may be just stupid but -- why are Dragon and Cytoplasm playing again??
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
June 17 2012 10:01 GMT
#595
It looks like Harstem (dutch player) won against Lalush and Thorzain. New Dutch player breaking trough?
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
June 17 2012 10:01 GMT
#596
On June 17 2012 19:00 Hypemeup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 18:59 archonOOid wrote:
looks like terrans need a buff or at least dragon because he hasn't cracked the code to beat zergs.


To be fair he executed the Marauder-Hellion pretty crappy. He was floating like 1.3k Minerals at one point.

Good old supply block!
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fanvadmeck
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden112 Posts
June 17 2012 10:01 GMT
#597
On June 17 2012 18:56 TheSilverfox wrote:
According to rumours here at DreamHack Thorzain lost against Harstem (not confirmed though).

Edit: Seems like it's true.


Don't you mean lalush?
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
June 17 2012 10:01 GMT
#598
On June 17 2012 19:00 detestrian wrote:
I may be just stupid but -- why are Dragon and Cytoplasm playing again??

3rd game was a draw.
Fueled
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1610 Posts
June 17 2012 10:01 GMT
#599
On June 17 2012 19:00 detestrian wrote:
I may be just stupid but -- why are Dragon and Cytoplasm playing again??

3rd game was a draw
The Wood League - Where a double gas opening can still mean a Marine/SCV all-in
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
June 17 2012 10:01 GMT
#600
On June 17 2012 18:59 archonOOid wrote:
looks like terrans need a buff or at least dragon because he hasn't cracked the code to beat zergs.



Dragons unit retension and macro are not the greatest, its costing him the set. Too many bad decisions and missed upgrades arnt helping either
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