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On June 17 2012 02:36 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 02:35 MrCash wrote:On June 17 2012 02:32 ZAiNs wrote:On June 17 2012 02:29 Notfragile wrote:On June 17 2012 02:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 02:08 Schelim wrote:
i can't believe there's people that don't think the MLG format is the worst out of all the big tournaments. mind you, i didn't say anything about MLG's production value, quality of players/casters etc which are all amazing, but between extended series, bo3 all the way through, rather unimportant pool play, extended series, way too big of an advantage for more accomplished players, double elimination and extended series i think it's clear that their format is the worst.
oh yeah, and extended series sucks too. All those things are crappy about MLG sure, but at MLG I see back to back great games from great players Friday to Sunday. I don't see MC beating all day 1 to the point where the finals have to be on a monday so most people can't watch because they wasted an entire day of games letting random low leaguers waste hours of stream time with their once in a lifetime moment of letting Stephano win a 14 minute best of three against them. STOP. WHINING. (someone warn the guy) This format while not so interesint, gives motive to random diamond/master scrubs to play more. If you know you might twice a year face QXC, Stephano, Mana, on a tournament (and have your 5 minutes of fame) this gives you a reason to practice for. In that way the talented players may work hard enough to be spotted and taken into a team, where they might be full time gamers. This format does what's best to bridge the gap between the semi-hardcore ladderer and the hardcore ladderer/semi-pro, good enough to be taken into a team. That's where I think the european scene gets it's steam, that narrower gap. So, in a sense, what you're saying is "hurting esports TM". Close the streams and watch from tomorrow on. There's a difference between lesser known semi-pros and Diamond players who have no chance of winning. I think because of what Dreamhack is it's ok for them to be able to play like this, just don't stream their games when there are actually good games left unbroadcast. What you don't see behind the scenes, is that Dreamhack takes care of players WAY better than most other tournaments. They won't make "good players" sit and wait for casters to finish casting other games. They let them play out all their games as quickly as possible and try to cast what is available. There are tons of games. If you are asking to see better games, you are also asking to make those "good players" sit around waiting a lot more, getting less time to rest, eat, study others. They just have to sit at their computer and wait for something to happen. Didn't most pro's say Dreamhack was one of the worst for looking after players? Nope Dreamhack along with Assembly are the best tournaments for players. MLG and ESL tournaments are a lot worse.
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soo is anybody unhappy with Mana vs LiveZerg? can't tell me this hasn't been a good series.
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On June 17 2012 02:37 MrCash wrote:
Everyone, from players to casters, have always praised dreamhack for their attentiveness and care.
It's possible someone was unhappy, I would be curious to know who, but that's far from common.
No we haven't. Dreamhack runs you ragged, I wrote a blog about this last time remember? We received very little support on stream 3 at DH Winter, didn't even have a proper audio setup when we arrived. Dreamhack is the most difficult event for any caster to do, it's long hours, very few breaks, frequent schedule over-runs which cause the cancellation of breaks, it wrecks you.
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On June 17 2012 02:14 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 02:10 Blueblister wrote:On June 17 2012 01:57 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
MLG has an open tournament.
It doesn't waste an entire day or the tournament making Stephano play gold league players on stream. MLG is a mainly closed tournament into which 4 players qualifies only to play at a disadvantage to the invited players. The 20 invited "professionals" aren't just seeded, they can come no lower than 28th, always gain ranking points and have little risk of dropping out. Formats like this doesn't allow for up-and-coming players to gain foothold and will eventually lead to a stagnating scene... ....oh wait... that's already happened  MLG did the same with Halo and look how that turned out. Wrong, wrong wrong. Are you still stuck in 2011 listening to Rebecca Black on repeat? It's 8 people from the Open Bracket and the pool play guys 100% earnt their spot with their play in the arenas/qualifiers. They are 0 invited players in MLG anymore.
Oh, your actually right! MLG have indeed improved their format, must've missed it. Although only already established players are invited to the Arenas and qualifiers atleast they've expanded their player base.
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Livezerg vs mana is pretty good. It's passive but livezerg is a really safe player with good army control.
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where can we see Diestar vs Huk plz?
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On June 17 2012 02:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 02:37 MrCash wrote:On June 17 2012 02:36 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 02:35 MrCash wrote:On June 17 2012 02:32 ZAiNs wrote:On June 17 2012 02:29 Notfragile wrote:On June 17 2012 02:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 02:08 Schelim wrote:
i can't believe there's people that don't think the MLG format is the worst out of all the big tournaments. mind you, i didn't say anything about MLG's production value, quality of players/casters etc which are all amazing, but between extended series, bo3 all the way through, rather unimportant pool play, extended series, way too big of an advantage for more accomplished players, double elimination and extended series i think it's clear that their format is the worst.
oh yeah, and extended series sucks too. All those things are crappy about MLG sure, but at MLG I see back to back great games from great players Friday to Sunday. I don't see MC beating all day 1 to the point where the finals have to be on a monday so most people can't watch because they wasted an entire day of games letting random low leaguers waste hours of stream time with their once in a lifetime moment of letting Stephano win a 14 minute best of three against them. STOP. WHINING. (someone warn the guy) This format while not so interesint, gives motive to random diamond/master scrubs to play more. If you know you might twice a year face QXC, Stephano, Mana, on a tournament (and have your 5 minutes of fame) this gives you a reason to practice for. In that way the talented players may work hard enough to be spotted and taken into a team, where they might be full time gamers. This format does what's best to bridge the gap between the semi-hardcore ladderer and the hardcore ladderer/semi-pro, good enough to be taken into a team. That's where I think the european scene gets it's steam, that narrower gap. So, in a sense, what you're saying is "hurting esports TM". Close the streams and watch from tomorrow on. There's a difference between lesser known semi-pros and Diamond players who have no chance of winning. I think because of what Dreamhack is it's ok for them to be able to play like this, just don't stream their games when there are actually good games left unbroadcast. What you don't see behind the scenes, is that Dreamhack takes care of players WAY better than most other tournaments. They won't make "good players" sit and wait for casters to finish casting other games. They let them play out all their games as quickly as possible and try to cast what is available. There are tons of games. If you are asking to see better games, you are also asking to make those "good players" sit around waiting a lot more, getting less time to rest, eat, study others. They just have to sit at their computer and wait for something to happen. Didn't most pro's say Dreamhack was one of the worst for looking after players? Everyone, from players to casters, have always praised dreamhack for their attentiveness and care. It's possible someone was unhappy, I would be curious to know who, but that's far from common. In the invitationals. In the big events like these both Idra and Naniwa have complained about the admin's. IPL is the only big tournament to really get universal praise on that front.
Yep. GSL seems to have pretty good admins too.
On June 17 2012 02:40 Thurken wrote:
where can we see Diestar vs Huk plz?
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/imbalanced.tv
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On June 17 2012 02:39 Weavel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 02:36 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 02:35 MrCash wrote:On June 17 2012 02:32 ZAiNs wrote:On June 17 2012 02:29 Notfragile wrote:On June 17 2012 02:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 02:08 Schelim wrote:
i can't believe there's people that don't think the MLG format is the worst out of all the big tournaments. mind you, i didn't say anything about MLG's production value, quality of players/casters etc which are all amazing, but between extended series, bo3 all the way through, rather unimportant pool play, extended series, way too big of an advantage for more accomplished players, double elimination and extended series i think it's clear that their format is the worst.
oh yeah, and extended series sucks too. All those things are crappy about MLG sure, but at MLG I see back to back great games from great players Friday to Sunday. I don't see MC beating all day 1 to the point where the finals have to be on a monday so most people can't watch because they wasted an entire day of games letting random low leaguers waste hours of stream time with their once in a lifetime moment of letting Stephano win a 14 minute best of three against them. STOP. WHINING. (someone warn the guy) This format while not so interesint, gives motive to random diamond/master scrubs to play more. If you know you might twice a year face QXC, Stephano, Mana, on a tournament (and have your 5 minutes of fame) this gives you a reason to practice for. In that way the talented players may work hard enough to be spotted and taken into a team, where they might be full time gamers. This format does what's best to bridge the gap between the semi-hardcore ladderer and the hardcore ladderer/semi-pro, good enough to be taken into a team. That's where I think the european scene gets it's steam, that narrower gap. So, in a sense, what you're saying is "hurting esports TM". Close the streams and watch from tomorrow on. There's a difference between lesser known semi-pros and Diamond players who have no chance of winning. I think because of what Dreamhack is it's ok for them to be able to play like this, just don't stream their games when there are actually good games left unbroadcast. What you don't see behind the scenes, is that Dreamhack takes care of players WAY better than most other tournaments. They won't make "good players" sit and wait for casters to finish casting other games. They let them play out all their games as quickly as possible and try to cast what is available. There are tons of games. If you are asking to see better games, you are also asking to make those "good players" sit around waiting a lot more, getting less time to rest, eat, study others. They just have to sit at their computer and wait for something to happen. Didn't most pro's say Dreamhack was one of the worst for looking after players? Nope Dreamhack along with Assembly are the best tournaments for players. MLG and ESL tournaments are a lot worse.
Glad totalbiscuit just showed up to disprove you guys.
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What protoss is supposed to do against this late game army of zerg? =( Sometimes it makes me sad... Once protoss plays really well till late game and then it goes into like this...
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Zerg having the unbeatable 200/200 force..
Protoss counting on a large number of gates to rebuild quickly after taking losses..
Protoss doing run-by strategies and avoiding the slow zerg army..
See the irony?
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On June 17 2012 02:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 02:37 MrCash wrote:On June 17 2012 02:36 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 02:35 MrCash wrote:On June 17 2012 02:32 ZAiNs wrote:On June 17 2012 02:29 Notfragile wrote:On June 17 2012 02:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 02:08 Schelim wrote:
i can't believe there's people that don't think the MLG format is the worst out of all the big tournaments. mind you, i didn't say anything about MLG's production value, quality of players/casters etc which are all amazing, but between extended series, bo3 all the way through, rather unimportant pool play, extended series, way too big of an advantage for more accomplished players, double elimination and extended series i think it's clear that their format is the worst.
oh yeah, and extended series sucks too. All those things are crappy about MLG sure, but at MLG I see back to back great games from great players Friday to Sunday. I don't see MC beating all day 1 to the point where the finals have to be on a monday so most people can't watch because they wasted an entire day of games letting random low leaguers waste hours of stream time with their once in a lifetime moment of letting Stephano win a 14 minute best of three against them. STOP. WHINING. (someone warn the guy) This format while not so interesint, gives motive to random diamond/master scrubs to play more. If you know you might twice a year face QXC, Stephano, Mana, on a tournament (and have your 5 minutes of fame) this gives you a reason to practice for. In that way the talented players may work hard enough to be spotted and taken into a team, where they might be full time gamers. This format does what's best to bridge the gap between the semi-hardcore ladderer and the hardcore ladderer/semi-pro, good enough to be taken into a team. That's where I think the european scene gets it's steam, that narrower gap. So, in a sense, what you're saying is "hurting esports TM". Close the streams and watch from tomorrow on. There's a difference between lesser known semi-pros and Diamond players who have no chance of winning. I think because of what Dreamhack is it's ok for them to be able to play like this, just don't stream their games when there are actually good games left unbroadcast. What you don't see behind the scenes, is that Dreamhack takes care of players WAY better than most other tournaments. They won't make "good players" sit and wait for casters to finish casting other games. They let them play out all their games as quickly as possible and try to cast what is available. There are tons of games. If you are asking to see better games, you are also asking to make those "good players" sit around waiting a lot more, getting less time to rest, eat, study others. They just have to sit at their computer and wait for something to happen. Didn't most pro's say Dreamhack was one of the worst for looking after players? Everyone, from players to casters, have always praised dreamhack for their attentiveness and care. It's possible someone was unhappy, I would be curious to know who, but that's far from common. In the invitationals. In the big events like these both Idra and Naniwa have complained about the admin's. IPL is the only big tournament to really get universal praise on that front.
That's fair, but if that's the case, it only reinforces my point about not making players wait.
If the schedule is so difficult, adding time for them to sit around waiting to be casted would only strain the issue.
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On June 17 2012 02:38 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 02:36 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 02:35 MrCash wrote:On June 17 2012 02:32 ZAiNs wrote:On June 17 2012 02:29 Notfragile wrote:On June 17 2012 02:12 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On June 17 2012 02:08 Schelim wrote:
i can't believe there's people that don't think the MLG format is the worst out of all the big tournaments. mind you, i didn't say anything about MLG's production value, quality of players/casters etc which are all amazing, but between extended series, bo3 all the way through, rather unimportant pool play, extended series, way too big of an advantage for more accomplished players, double elimination and extended series i think it's clear that their format is the worst.
oh yeah, and extended series sucks too. All those things are crappy about MLG sure, but at MLG I see back to back great games from great players Friday to Sunday. I don't see MC beating all day 1 to the point where the finals have to be on a monday so most people can't watch because they wasted an entire day of games letting random low leaguers waste hours of stream time with their once in a lifetime moment of letting Stephano win a 14 minute best of three against them. STOP. WHINING. (someone warn the guy) This format while not so interesint, gives motive to random diamond/master scrubs to play more. If you know you might twice a year face QXC, Stephano, Mana, on a tournament (and have your 5 minutes of fame) this gives you a reason to practice for. In that way the talented players may work hard enough to be spotted and taken into a team, where they might be full time gamers. This format does what's best to bridge the gap between the semi-hardcore ladderer and the hardcore ladderer/semi-pro, good enough to be taken into a team. That's where I think the european scene gets it's steam, that narrower gap. So, in a sense, what you're saying is "hurting esports TM". Close the streams and watch from tomorrow on. There's a difference between lesser known semi-pros and Diamond players who have no chance of winning. I think because of what Dreamhack is it's ok for them to be able to play like this, just don't stream their games when there are actually good games left unbroadcast. What you don't see behind the scenes, is that Dreamhack takes care of players WAY better than most other tournaments. They won't make "good players" sit and wait for casters to finish casting other games. They let them play out all their games as quickly as possible and try to cast what is available. There are tons of games. If you are asking to see better games, you are also asking to make those "good players" sit around waiting a lot more, getting less time to rest, eat, study others. They just have to sit at their computer and wait for something to happen. Didn't most pro's say Dreamhack was one of the worst for looking after players? yeah from what ive heard the dreamhack schedule is BRUTAL on players
It can't be worse than last weekend.
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It's nice theorycraft, but his "perfect protoss army" gets rolled by Broodlord/Infestor/Corruptor in real games. Also, it's very hard to do successful warp prism harass on metropolis, since it's so easy do defend your 5 bases with Infestors, given decent creep spread.
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SaSe vs BIGS on stream 1.
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Oh, now we get to watch another walkover group. I hope Sase at least treats his opponents to something resembling a strategy, lol.
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I can see Bigs winning this. Underrated player and Sase's still not convinced me vs Zerg yet.
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On June 17 2012 02:43 VisonKai wrote:
Oh, now we get to watch another walkover group. I hope Sase at least treats his opponents to something resembling a strategy, lol.
Ummm... biGs is actually good.
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EPT
