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Peddel
Netherlands229 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:29 Logros wrote: Well in Thorzains defence I haven't seen this type of 3 base 8 gate timing stopped yet. I did, some foreign protoss lost vs. Kas while doing this build... But indeed, I haven't seen anyone hold it when done by a Korean Toss | ||
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hewley
Germany1063 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:31 Qikz wrote: How would he have pressured when he built his third? I'm not seeing it. o_O squirtle had 1 gateway and 2 gas, attack with stuff. | ||
Poopi
France13022 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:29 Pyre wrote: Reason it worked so well was because the rocks were knocked down. This. + maybe marauders would have helped? | ||
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habeck
1120 Posts
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:29 Dodgin wrote: not let him take a third at 6 minutes without pressuring, that was so strong because it was the super powered parting build off 3 base econ. And you're supposed to stop that how? For one, the maps are huge, so a lot of old timings won't work. On the other hand bio is actually terrible before upgrades and medivacs kick in. And upgrades + medivacs kick in at the 10 min mark at the earliest. Think ahead before you post in ignorance. Anyway, not really surprised to see this though. Thorzain is good, but I wasn't sure he was ready for Code S, and especially for such a beast protoss as Squirtle. | ||
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MrCash
United States1504 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:30 HaXXspetten wrote: ...attack with anything when Squirtle went for 1 gate double gas double expand? That's not something you can do as a response, only a hard counter. You can't scout that, add 2 rax and then attack, his 5-8 gates will be ready to defend by then. If you opened 4-5 rax, you can do that. Or you can try to all in with your 2-3 rax and a bunch of scvs, which is super risky, but certainly can work. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:29 Pyre wrote: Reason it worked so well was because the rocks were knocked down. And only 1 bunker I think. One or two siege tanks should be good against this build. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:31 Qikz wrote: How would he have pressured when he built his third? I'm not seeing it. o_O Mvp would just have pulled all SCVs | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
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Chenz
Sweden1197 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:29 Pyre wrote: Reason it worked so well was because the rocks were knocked down. And because Thorzain didn't pull back his marines when there were forcefields in the way, he lost so many marines while they ran around doing nothing. | ||
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VictorX
United States773 Posts
Huge econ, huge unit count, used to bully the opponent from taking a 3rd (or kill them). imo Thorzain's biggest mistake was not scouting the third. He had a waste of a bunker, and was not actively pressuring such a greedy (2gas) 3rd Nexus. He could've pulled 3-4 scvs and done massive damage at Squirtle's natural had he known the situation. All he had were sentries, and sentries alone do not stop naturals from dying. It was 1gate vs. 2rax for a while. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Damn it all! For those asking about what Terran can do, something like cloaked Banshee just straight up kills what Squirtle did there, and any early pressure build does damage too. Basically, Protoss is hoping for a build order win with that move, and it is one against the most common Terran openers, but it also straight up dies to some. Seems weird for a superior player to go for that, but there you go. | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:31 fixed_point wrote: But in reality should hit while squirtle was powering Yeah I think it's a response to seeing the Terran FE though, so you always have a window of a few minutes where the Terran won't have much. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
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ThisIsRaichu
66 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:31 Destructicon wrote: And you're supposed to stop that how? For one, the maps are huge, so a lot of old timings won't work. On the other hand bio is actually terrible before upgrades and medivacs kick in. And upgrades + medivacs kick in at the 10 min mark at the earliest. Think ahead before you post in ignorance. okay just let him take his third at 6 minutes off one gateway, but don't complain when you keep losing. | ||
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fixed_point
Germany4891 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:31 Salteador Neo wrote: And only 1 bunker I think. One or two siege tanks should be good against this build. Two bunkers, but building tanks without knowing what's coming is not a good idea... | ||
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F1rstAssau1t
1341 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:31 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: I usually always root for terrans but this time I hope Thorzain bombs big time as Code S seeds should never be given. Yeah, i hated last game but still want Thorzain to get knocked out i hate the invitation system. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:31 Peddel wrote: I did, some foreign protoss lost vs. Kas while doing this build... But indeed, I haven't seen anyone hold it when done by a Korean Toss gumiho held puzzle trying this build on metropolis | ||
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