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On June 13 2012 18:31 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
I usually always root for terrans but this time I hope Thorzain bombs big time as Code S seeds should never be given.
This logic really has never made any sense to me. Its not like he did nothing and they pulled his name out of a hat. He forfilled the qualifier by doing good at foreign events. Basically major foreign events function in a way similer to code A just in a different style.
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On June 13 2012 18:32 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 18:30 HaXXspetten wrote:On June 13 2012 18:29 FuzzyJAM wrote:
"Fantasy gg" comments in 5. . .4. . .3. . . Already done, sorry Damn it all! For those asking about what Terran can do, something like cloaked Banshee just straight up kills what Squirtle did there, and any early pressure build does damage too. Basically, Protoss is hoping for a build order win with that move, and it is one against the most common Terran openers, but it also straight up dies to some. Seems weird for a superior player to go for that, but there you go.
Not weird when he knows Thorzain plays a passive style.
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On June 13 2012 18:32 ThisIsRaichu wrote:
I don't understand why Thorzain is playing in his conditions. A bit insulting towards the GSL league
I do not think EG would have been happy if he forfeited his spot.
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On June 13 2012 18:31 hewley wrote:
That what I don't like about this build. A fucking powerful 8 gate-timing. but with a 3rd nex behind for good economy too. Can somebody explain how this works?
However this is very Parting style.Sacrifice tech for army to do damage while having still having strong econ behind it.
If he did not break down those rocks,he could have stand a chance and he needed more bunkers to hold that insane 8 gate
push.
MVP has shown he can hold this at GSL finals by building 4 layer of bunkers.
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Game 2 on antiga In the bottom right is  Squirtle In the top left is  Thorzain
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Haha...
"Bring back gayfortasteless.com"
The Korean commentators are clueless. 
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Rocks wasnt the reason, even before attack thorzain was WAY behind in supply.
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Didn't Thorzain go to starport off 2 rax? You don't get a lot of units if you do that.
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On June 13 2012 18:33 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 18:32 FuzzyJAM wrote:On June 13 2012 18:30 HaXXspetten wrote:On June 13 2012 18:29 FuzzyJAM wrote:
"Fantasy gg" comments in 5. . .4. . .3. . . Already done, sorry Damn it all! For those asking about what Terran can do, something like cloaked Banshee just straight up kills what Squirtle did there, and any early pressure build does damage too. Basically, Protoss is hoping for a build order win with that move, and it is one against the most common Terran openers, but it also straight up dies to some. Seems weird for a superior player to go for that, but there you go. Not weird when he knows Thorzain plays a passive style.
True.
He could certainly have just played the player there.
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On June 13 2012 18:33 Mowr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 18:32 ThisIsRaichu wrote:
I don't understand why Thorzain is playing in his conditions. A bit insulting towards the GSL league I do not think EG would have been happy if he forfeited his spot.
If he wanted to play in GSL, he should've skipped MLG, but that's just my opinion. Truth is though, you wont do good if you attend 3 events in 3 different parts of the world over the course of a week.
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On June 13 2012 18:33 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 18:31 hewley wrote:
That what I don't like about this build. A fucking powerful 8 gate-timing. but with a 3rd nex behind for good economy too. Can somebody explain how this works? However this is very Parting style.Sacrifice tech for army to do damage while having still having strong econ behind it. If he did not break down those rocks,he could have stand a chance and he needed more bunkers to hold that insane 8 gate push. MVP has shown he can hold this at GSL finals by building 4 layer of bunkers.
squirtle didn't use this on mvp did he?
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On June 13 2012 18:33 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 18:31 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
I usually always root for terrans but this time I hope Thorzain bombs big time as Code S seeds should never be given. This logic really has never made any sense to me. Its not like he did nothing and they pulled his name out of a hat. He forfilled the qualifier by doing good at foreign events. Basically major foreign events function in a way similer to code A just in a different style.
Puma disagrees.
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On June 13 2012 18:33 Drazerk wrote:Game 2 on antiga In the bottom right is Squirtle In the top left is Thorzain
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Expansion on the way for thorzain while taking his first gas. Bunker going up at the natural's ramp
Warp tech on the way for squirtle as he takes an additional three gateways
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On June 13 2012 18:32 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 18:31 Destructicon wrote:On June 13 2012 18:29 Dodgin wrote:On June 13 2012 18:29 RPR_Tempest wrote:
As a Zerg player, can someone tell me how the Terran is supposed to beat that? Not QQ, I don't understand TvP so I don't know if ThorZaIN did anything wrong.
What should ThorZaIN have done there to hold it? not let him take a third at 6 minutes without pressuring, that was so strong because it was the super powered parting build off 3 base econ. And you're supposed to stop that how? For one, the maps are huge, so a lot of old timings won't work. On the other hand bio is actually terrible before upgrades and medivacs kick in. And upgrades + medivacs kick in at the 10 min mark at the earliest. Think ahead before you post in ignorance. okay just let him take his third at 6 minutes off one gateway, but don't complain when you keep losing.
It's really not that simple. It's a gigantic map, you can't really stop the third and it's difficult to know exactly how strong the protoss in because it's hard to scout (only seeing one gate with a scan doesn't actually mean anything). And on the flip side, if both players went for 6 minutes 3rds, terran would lose because of warp gates
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On June 13 2012 18:33 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 18:31 Peddel wrote:On June 13 2012 18:29 Logros wrote:
Well in Thorzains defence I haven't seen this type of 3 base 8 gate timing stopped yet. I did, some foreign protoss lost vs. Kas while doing this build... But indeed, I haven't seen anyone hold it when done by a Korean Toss gumiho held puzzle trying this build on metropolis
Gumiho did a completely different build and had radically different game plan. He did one of the double reactor rax and factory tank builds into a marine/tank push that was designed to be safe against certain attacks and put pressure. And while that build is good versus certain builds and pressures, it sacrifices tech for security, since it delays 1/1 and other things by a lot.
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